] the mainframe is dead [14:42] nowai [14:42] well, its dead in the sense that it isn't what is was intended to be when they were invented [14:42] the mainframe now is just linux servers consolidated onto one machine [14:42] Yes? [14:42] Linux gets on my nerves [14:47] Why? Because it is a viable alternative operating system? Or that its quickly replacing heavy duty OSes because it can be modified in any way you want, with minimal work because most of the big stuff has been done already. [14:47] * LSD`_ (n=ianweb@220.235.251.238) has joined #68kmla [14:47] I dunno, cause it wasn't meant to be what is has become [14:48] And I especially hate the Linux zealots [14:49] remember Ken Olsen and the UNIX conspiracy? [14:49] Please clarify your statement. It doesnt matter what linux was meant to be. It matters what it is now, and by saying that, you yourself have become a zealot for the opposite side. [14:50] and no, I'm not a zealot nor an activist. I believe people should use what works best for them. [14:50] the problem with it in my opinion, is like trying to take a tiny little shack, and turning it into a mansion by continually building on it [14:51] krfkeith, And whats wrong with that? As long as the renevation was nice? [14:51] that doesn't make sense, because no matter how good it looks externally, the structure still stucks cause its based on a shack thats falling apart [14:51] "As long as the renevation was nice" As long as a good job was done...? [14:52] in this scenario, it makes more sense to just start over, then try and turn something into something else [14:52] Lets attack your favorite system now. [14:52] actually, the problem I have with Linux is the same problem I have with all major OSes [14:52] including Windows and Mac OS [14:53] the problem is, the system needs to be more specific to the target audience [14:53] they all three try to mix a client and server system together [14:53] which is ridiculous [14:53] by your own statements krfkeith, z/OS should have been completely rewritten [14:53] why is that? [14:54] Since it was written in 1970 and is no linger used by its target hardware. [14:54] yes it uses the descendant hardware [14:54] Because z/OS was that tiny shack. And look what it is now. [14:54] z/OS has essentially been rewritten, and it was meant to be powerful from the start [14:54] Linux was not [14:55] 0sigh- [14:55] z/OS was ALWAYS supposed to be a mainframe OS [14:55] Linux was originally meant for lowly home PCs [14:55] WHY does it matter what it was meant to be? This is the point you miss because you care less for facts and more for your own opinions. [14:55] And you call the linux people zealots? [14:55] sigh. [14:56] I'm not saying I'm not a zealot [14:56] the same could be said for other major OSes [14:57] both VMS, and z/OS have stuck to exactly what they were meant for [14:57] krfkeith, WHY Does it matter what it was meant to be? Thats in the past. What matters now is its current state. Thats all. [14:57] And look at VMS. VMS has been on the slow train to software extinction. [14:57] its like trying to refit a VM beetle to be a tank, not going to happen [14:58] VMS is not extinct [14:58] but now that its on Itanic, it probably will die...heheh [14:58] dude, you sound like those guys that talk about how great mac os 7 is. [14:58] oh wait. [14:59] krfkeith, Sigh. [14:59] another good example, is BeOS, BeOS was meant to be a OS for Multimedia and home users, and thats what it stayed [14:59] No it didnt [14:59] At all [14:59] how did it not? [14:59] It died, then got ressurected as a GNU Desktop operating system [14:59] I'm pretty sure there weren't any BeOS servers [14:59] Haiku is NOT GNU [15:00] its not UNIX-based at all [15:00] OH MY GOD [15:00] hahahaha [15:00] dude [15:00] do you even know what GNU stands for [15:00] its completely its own thing [15:00] krfkeith, You don't knwo what GNU nor the GPL stand for [15:00] well, yeah [15:00] and I reccomend you stop [15:00] or read their wiki [15:00] GNU = GNU's Not Unix [15:00] just cause its GPL doesn't mean its related to Unix [15:00] (fucking recursive acronyms.) [15:00] and I know what GNU stands for [15:00] now you're contradicting yourself. [15:01] but its has similar design prinicpals [15:01] and You obviously have not read the GPL, nro the GNU manifesto. nor have you used BeOS. Even when BeOS was in production it used POSIX backrounds, and has a unixlike shell, uses the gnupro gcc and coreutil distribution. [15:01] are you trying to say GNU/Linux has NOTHING to do with Unix? [15:01] wthww: BeOS has POSIX to aid in porting software, as does VMS [15:02] * LSD` has quit (Network is unreachable) [15:02] krfkeith, please define "Unix". [15:02] wthww_, i have butter for your smile :P [15:02] krfkeith, Again, by your own words VMS is not what it was intended anymore. It does not run on soley Alpha hardware anymore, and has been relegated to simple hosting. even HP abandoned it, and opensoured it in a sort of way. [15:03] Knezzen, :D [15:03] Look, you never saw DOS running on Servers, that would SUCK wouldn't it, no matter how much they developed it [15:03] * wthww_ huggles Knezzen in the most u-gay was possible. [15:03] wthww_: VMS IS NOT open-source, are you kidding me? [15:03] **un-gay [15:03] OpenVMS you retard. [15:03] wthww, where is this going? :P [15:03] thats CAUSE IT HAS UNIX STUFF IN IT [15:03] that doesn't mean its open source [15:04] I said in a sort of way. [15:04] Knezzen, Its going to macdomain [15:04] http://www.pcmag.com/encyclopedia_term/0,2542,t=open+system&i=48478,00.asp [15:05] krfkeith, all of these stuff doesnt matter. [15:05] would you want to run z/OS on your dekstop? or DOS on your server? NO! No matter how much DOS is developed, it will still be DOS, and NOT a server OS [15:05] * Danamania (n=Danamani@35.100.dsl.syd.iprimus.net.au) has left #68kmla [15:05] krfkeith, THat is where you are wrong. [15:05] how? [15:06] You could develop dos to a very nice state, and use it. You could odwnsize z/OS and run it on a desktop. [15:07] Just like with any OS. If it gets developed, it no longer is what it was, so what it was does not matter. [15:07] Look at Windows NT, it was a workstation/server OS, and now it's used for home-use too. [15:07] you don't build a house by just adding rooms and adding floors without an idea of what its going to end up like, so why should an OS be designed that way [15:07] What matters is what it is NOW. [15:07] the past matters too though [15:07] its roots mater [15:07] *matter [15:07] I take it that you never have played games on NT/XP/Viztaa [15:08] No, it does not. Not in the software world. [15:08] yes it does, the principles on which it was built matter [15:08] As long as it works, and does its job well, people will use it. [15:08] Not anymore. [15:08] That is how it is now. [15:08] because they have nothing to compare it too [15:08] Its too late for that mentality krfkeith. [15:09] because pretty much everything in computers suck [15:09] krfkeith, Linux is just a core, and on that core you add posix* compatible stuff. [15:09] What is the core meant to be used for then? [15:09] Is it a server core? [15:09] sure [15:09] Or a "general pornsurfing playing games on-core"? [15:09] something that was meant to do its purpose from the ground up [15:10] Because i use it for both :P [15:10] well, not that specific [15:10] Knezzen, see how he misses the point? [15:10] Yea [15:10] Knezzen, Lets just leave him alone, to walow in his own main-frame fantasy. [15:10] the main designation is Server vs Client [15:11] Not anymore. Thats why all the OSes have been forced to evolve again [15:11] OMG! OSX works for general stuff too! ZOMG i have a "mainframe-core"..... [15:11] Every computer is a server, and a client now. [15:11] and pretty much all OSes suck so yeah I agree [15:11] * techfury90 (n=techfury@unaffiliated/techfury90) has joined #68kmla [15:11] * ChanServ gives channel operator status to techfury90 [15:11] >techfury90< OMG PLEASE KICK KRFKEITH OMG [15:11] krfkeith, not FreeMiNT ;) [15:12] ok, FreeMiNT is good [15:12] but other than that [15:12] ;-) [15:12] hah [15:12] look everyone knows the best OS is CP/M, then FreeMiNT and then Hello World [15:13] haha [15:13] Commodore 68 Basic FTW! [15:13] *64 [15:13] >techfury90< omg krfkeith is an idiot. He tones it down because he knows he'd grind on your nerves with his old train of though :P [15:13] Damn this fever :( [15:13] Knezzen, :( [15:13] though there is dispute, some people think Windows 1 is the second best [15:13] You are sick [15:14] so anyway, in conclusion, Computers suck, the end [15:14] * wthww_ makes soup, and puts cool pad on Knezzlestick's head [15:14] :) [15:14] krfkeith, Your outlook and inability to intelligently reason sucks. THe end. [15:14] * Knezzen pets wthww [15:14] * wthww_ purrs [15:15] wthww_: I thinK I reason just fine...how do I not?