wat

He wasnt there when I turned around.

I will answer one question. What is it you want to know?

It is very late in the country in which I reside at present, so I'm off to bed; if you have replied upon my rising tomorrow morning, you shall be answered - but I make no promises. I will not answer that which I have sworn to conceal.

>>1140066
Disregard that, im going to play wow, i might alt tab back in 7 hours or so, cya later n00bz0rz

i would call myself a watcher, if i did not have an active hand at times for making decisions. also, i have no real interest in religion.

Sorry I was gone earlier; I will ask this, then.

Have you spoken to any of the Enochian entities? If so, what did they say?

ITT: people impersonating me.

>>1140735
Regardless, leave your questions, i'll be back in an hour or so to answer it., have to go give someone a ride.

>>1140719

No, I haven't I avoid calling any angelic entities, they are very tempermental, moreso than demons, all for the smiting if you don't match their idea of "moral".

I have however done a few of the lower (ambient spirit level) rites, nothing to write home about.

What was your first magick experience? Your most powerful?

OP, I thought you said asking for paranormal experiences was not the purpose of this thread. Both in the occult as in the chans,

Lurk the fuck moar.

First and most importantly, thank you for responding.

I'm sorry if I'm a little tired, and my questions aren't as good as I would have wanted. I'd like to ask more about your areas of expertise (which I don't know), so I'll ask leading questions, in a way. My questions will probably sound rather clumsy, because I don't know that much about the topics in question. If my questions are fundamentally misguided or unanswerable, feel free to say so.

What areas of magic have you studied? Among the following three, which one would you say you have the most experience in: Ceremonial, Qabalistic, or Chaos?

Have you known anyone who has undergone the operation to speak to their Holy Guardian Angel? If you've studied this operation in depth, can you say more about it?

Also, I think you mentioned somewhere that you had studied some Eastern traditions. If you could elaborate on that, please do, i.e. if you mean Taosim, Tantra, or something else.

Feel free to pick and choose among these questions, as I'm happy to receive a response on any of them.

Also, Watcher, I will be happy to tripcode, upon request.

>>1140781

I will try to keep the questions focused on research, broadly defined. If this research includes personal experience (and the willingness to share), then I will ask those too. However, I will strive to avoid open-ended, overly generic or subjective questions like "What is magic" or "How do I do magic."

OP again. About the entities in magic: do you believe that these are psychological, i.e. all inside our heads, or do you believe they have an objective existence?

Would you say that you subscribe to a basically Neoplatonist philosophy of God, the universe, etc.?

Are there any "ethnic" areas of magic you are interested in that would not fall under the heading of Judeo-Christian?

What do you think about the use of drugs to induce spiritual experiences, like ayahuasca, salvia divinorum, DMT, etc.

Do you know any foreign languages, especially Greek, Hebrew, or Sanskrit? Do you believe these are truly 'magical languages,' or is the role of individual languages in magic unimportant?

Other anons can ask question to Watcher?
If so, I remember you mentioned Onmyodo, where did you learn it and is there any bibliography in English on the matter?
Thanks.

ITT: someone getting information for a research paper

Not that I blame you, OP.

OP once more. From a research perspective, are there any languages which you consider it particularly important to know? Latin and Hebrew seem like the two most obvious candidates, to my mind.

I don't often here of people talking about Sanskrit as a magical language, though it clearly is. Do you think it is neglected? For lack of a better word, do you have any experience with Indian magic?

Have you explored (or researched) the astral field? Is it interesting to you? Is it safe?

Anything to say on the topic of Edgar Cayce and/or the Akashic records?

Do you belong to any religious denomination? If not, is there one you would say you are closest to?

>>1140859

Definitely not; I don't know of any classes (other than anthropology) where I could turn this in for a grade. Besides, I'm not attending college at the moment. Watcher is free to answer as many of these questions as he wants, and ignore as many as he wants.

>>1140857

That's fine with me; Watcher is welcome to answer other questions he finds more interesting than mine, since the answers are the really illuminating part.

Someone told me not to mess with Enochian because if you don't know what you're doing it's fucking easy to get raped in the butt by some mediocre demon. Angels are notorious for being dicks though, and aren't the warm, fuzzy, Hallmark channel bastards everyone thinks they are. It's like the difference between Edward Cullen and Dracula.

Anyway, if Watcher doesn't mind, I have a question: how can you tell if a spirit you're dealing with is actually who they claim to be? It's easy for someone to say they're some notorious demon or Heath Ledger or some bullshit, but how can I be sure they're not making things up to mess with me?

Not OP, just a curious bystander.

What country are you in right now? And do you get to travel a lot?

So... why /x/? I get that it's an anonymous board full of skeptics and wannabes, but I don't see the appeal.

Also, /x/ is a relatively new board to 4chan. I think it's only one or two years old? Were you on 4chan before /x/'s creation? Because that would be lolarious.

OP again.

What do you think about channeled material? To take two popular examples, A Course In Miracles and the Urantia Book.

Have you studied Emmanuel Swedenborg?

Do you have any thoughts on the mass popularization of Kabbalah that have been happening in the past decade?

There have been a number of 19th century spiritual movements that have fallen by the wayside, i.e. Spiritualism, Theosophy, the Society of St. Germaine. Have you found any interesting material there?

Do you believe there are hidden brotherhoods and ascended masters that are currently active?

Do you practice tarot, or astrology?

Have you worked with Egyptian, Greek or Norse magical pantheons?

Watcher, were you to channel a kid's spirit, would you take him to da bar?

>>1140813

From the top:

Areas (will limit to western as eastern is a seperate question): Ceremonial, Zoroastrian (*shudder*), enochian (I have studied, study does not equal practice.), Chaos Magick/discordia, Demonology, Qaballah, Thelemic, Alchemy, Voodoo, and lastly Gnostic, what little I could find, most of their texts were burned in the christian heretic raids in the 4th and 5th century. I have also dipped into greek magic, but barely gotten my feet wet there -- my area of expertise is defense, that is, warding, banishing and the like. Area i've delved the deepest into is Chaos Magick, was my first, so to speak.

As for the HGA, I do not know anyone who has contact it, nor have I contacted mine, as for what I can say about it, is the concept (that being a second "greater" self on the outside, sort of a half only visible on the astral plane) pops ups constantly, in a variety of schools. The Half-angel theory in Enoch, the "death self" in chaos, etc.

Eastern magic: I have went into tantra again at a "feet wetting" level, I have however studied various sects of esoteric Buddhism in depth, as well as onmyoudo/taoism.

Next post:

Entities are.. complicated, both "all in our heads" yet not, I subscribe to a very chaos-esque view of them, in that all "Entities" were made by humans, products of our belief, certain things -- gods, angels, etc, are the results of so much belief over such a long period of time they became sentient.

You can both say I do and don't, Chaos magick's most base point is that belief is a tool, we fake it until we make it, if a work requires a faithful christian, then we make ourselves one for the purpose of the work.

However, chaos rules all, everything was born from it, and everything will return to it eventually, everything can be chocked up to pure chaos in the end.

Plenty, in particular, I would have to say Norse magic has always interested me, it goes so deep for a mythology based system

I have one thing to say about drugs: There are many gateways, some of which are supposed to be walked through slowly, chemically ripping them open is never a good idea.

Languages: English (lol), japanese (major!\o/), Latin, Gaelic (family =/), and uh, two years of high school german, *nod* -- Will likely get around to learning sanskrit one of these days.

>>1140938

How interesting, about Zoroastrianism - I have never met anyone who has studied it. What do you have to say about it? Is it worth investigating? Why the shudder?

I see that you have specialized (if I can use that word) in Chaos magic; one of the more interesting online accounts speaks about Fotamecus and time dilation. Do you have any knowledge or experience of this?

Does Japan have any interesting magical traditions? I usually hear of Japan in the context of Shintoism and Zen Buddhism, at a very general level.

Answering non-op questions before moving on

>>1140857
I learned from japanese books, but googling might provide some good information.

>>1140883
Bindings are absolute. If you have your circle properly made and adorned and bound the demon correctly, It can't lie to you, it can tell you shitty half-truthes to manipulate you, but can't straight up tell lies.

>>1140937
Oooooh yea.
>>1140913
I have been on 4chan for ages, back before /b/ was shitty, believe it or not it's a good way to siphon the hivemind for help on a sigil >_>

>>1140902
America, don't travel much, I have been to ireland a couple times to see my family, and japan twice on training trips (I have my nidan in aikido.)

and also to elaborate on magic languages for op:

Language is as powerful as the person speaking it, Names hold more importance than the language itself, goes back to the belief thing, eventually attributes given to an item become attached to the name.

>>1140917
Automatic writing, in the hands of a mage (Spare comes to mind, his Zos works were Automatic writings) very useful tools, otherwise, a good marketing scheme, "a voice from god made me do it!" is a good way to sell copies.

Emmanuel Swedenborg.. I have nothing more o say about him than I do any other famous clairvoyant, his "Gifts" could have come from anywhere.

Pitiful as the big witch/vampire boom in the 80's, it takes a sacred thing and drags it through the dirt. I once wore a charm of rachel on my right wrist for a year or so, and had people coming up and asking me about the "Kaballic charm on my hand, like Madonna's!" I was on the verge of putting a barrier around the thing to shut them up.

Many are people going for a quick buck, though i've found a few.. interesting things in the Society of St. Germaine's teachings, but.. anything with St. Germaine is bound to have that.

I'm not so blind as to say there aren't, the world is a very wide place

All 3, Thanatos is part of my personal pantheon perse, and hell, when at a neutral state, i'm a discordian by nature, Eris is my unburdened lady.

Norse, as I mentioned, I am very interested in, I can read runes, in the process of learning the creation of them.

Egyptian.. not so much, more likely to go Sumerian if I go that far back.

>>1140987
Well yeah, if you're purposefully summoning something and you're doing it right then of course they're not gonna lie about it. But what if you're not summoning someone and it's just a random encounter? There's some significance behind names, right? One particular entity that I work with wouldn't give me a name for the longest time until they learned they could trust me. All I want to know is how to be sure they didn't give me a fake name.

>>1140878
Skipped this, heh.

Sanskrit is, and as you said, very ignored, it's a bit too.. old for many people, for good reason i'd guess, there are things people shouldn't find hidden in the cracks there.

Astral field, yes, i've played with it, no, it's not safe, those 'things lurking on the edges of reality' lovecraft wrote about exist on that side, except they aren't quite so obvious.

Cayce is.. Cayce, see what I said about Swedenborg for my feelings on him.

THe Akashic record however I could write you a paper on, so i'm not going to go into

lastly, as I said, I am a discordian when in a neutral state.

also forgive my keyboard, it's a piece of junk, and correcting all the typos is getting annoying

>>1141036
Hate to say it, but.. It did. First rule of binding, use your full power to get a true name out of it. When it comes to entities a True name is as good as a total control switch, they don't just give it once they've gained "trust" you have to work the binding to force it out of them.

>>1140976
Zoroastrian magic deals with some dark shit, primal dark, sumerian blood sacrifice dark. there is no "Good" zoroastrian magic, and one slip up and angra mainyu comes knocking on your door. That's why I shuddered.

Fotometicus, To be honest, I don't think it ever happened, the story itself was a sort of sigil to work towards his creation, whichever, it worked, i've worked with him before, results were convincing enough.

Japan has alot of them, before the end of the sengoku area, many territories of japan were like native american tribes, they had their own religions, Kami that watched the lands, etc, diverse doesn't begin to describe it -- a good example of this is dialects, dialects in japan are interesting, there are certain corruptions that show up in the north and south, and in some places the "native" (most japanese people speak tokyo-ben regardless) dialect is so far seperated from the tokyo (which is what is taught around the world) dialect, that it qualifies as a different language, albeit in the same family.

>>1141068
Sengoku Era* lol typing.

Any more questions?

non-OP here, just wondering something.

Do you believe modern science will ever stumble upon the entities and phenomena associated with these occult happenings, or are they such entirely different ways of viewing the universe that understanding them through scientific reasoning is impossible?

this is going to sound stupid but how do you feel about vampires, and the corny popularity of it now? What's the difference between 'old school' vampire tales, and the shitty sexualized versions of them now. Any truth to either?

also, how about the idea of insanity in all it's forms being due to the brains inability to filter out certain energies or ideas floating around from other people?

>>1141068
Oh damn it I figured as much. The thing I deal with is WAY more powerful than I am so I have no idea how to bind it, but it's not like I was doing some retard summoning and conjured him up or anything. I'm a pretty experienced spiritual medium and stuff comes over to chat all the time. This guy seems like he's an upper level being and not just some punkass midgrade spirit, but he gave me a generic name that I was suspicious about from the start. I don't especially know what he wants from me even though I've been talking to him for a couple years now. If he wanted, I know he could kill me in a heartbeat. But he doesn't ever regard me with violence or threats.

>>1141102
also non-op

OP here. Thanks! That was very interesting; let me finish by saying I appreciated this conversation. That's interesting about Fotamecus, too - you account makes sense. Also, that bit about Zoroastrianism was also very interesting; I'd heard negative things about their practices before, but I assumed this was just reflexive Muslim hostility.

If you don't receive this until later, thanks for staying around and answering these questions. If you're still around, though, one last question... is there any country you would like to visit (aside from those already mentioned), to learn more about its magical traditions? I've heard that Indonesia, for instance, has very strong ones. And if you're not around... again, thanks!

Watcher, is there something relatively simple I can do to prove any of this exists? I'm not being an ass, I'm just wondering

>>1141100
It may, I won't say that it won't, the problem with science is it draws a circle, and things outside the circle are ignored and rejected, things like that are outside the circle, finding entities requires an open mind, until modern science gets rid of it's closed mindedness, so it won't.
>>1141102
Don't get me started on how pop culture has raped the vampire.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/goth/vkk/index.htm

book written at the start of the 20th century by a priest who went crazed over them, it's mostly crazed ramblings, but gives a feeling of the true "Fear' they birthed before this.

As for Insanity... well, A great person once said, in her view of 'psychics'

"The human brain is like a television, say there are 12 channels, and everyone watches channel 7, it's the "normal" channel, we all love channel 7, it's our friend, however we've spent so long on chapter 7 that we no longer have the ability change channels.

Now, let us say on channel 3, people have the ability o chat with plants, now, there are people with the ability to view both channel 3 and 7, we call those "psychics' if played well, or just stomp on them as society, because they have to be lying fools.

However, say something happens that forces fly into channel 3 without the ability to change it, we call those people "crazy" and lock them up in an asylum, because after all, they were normal a minute ago and now they claim they can talk to plants, and have trouble talking to others, they can't be normal!"

>>1141121
as for "magic" places, any pacific island, always fun there, tribes there have put plenty of energy into creating places of power..

As for "magic".. Hong Kong, believe it or not, one of the most used ports in the world, with a long running history of chinese mages, places like that gather people of power just by existence, a hundred years ago, indian ports would be perfect for this, still are good, but hong kong is so much better.

>>1141147
No, and yes. Plenty of simple things you can do with chaos magick to prove to yourself or a friend, nothing you could do to prove to a scientist they wouldn't just pass off as a coincidence, there are some things you oul do they couldn't, but they are neither easy, nor am Iwilling to teach them.

>>1141154

science was cool back when it was open minded against the circle that was christianity. A lot of early scientists were also interested in occultism

>>1141103 here, forgot to ask my question.

Anyway, why do you think he continues to talk to me if I offer him nothing other than conversation? He's not exactly the type that needs to seek out random humans just for the hell of it. Is this common?

>>1141167

I'd be looking more into the former than the latter. I'm not ready to get in a pissing contest with materialists. BTW I'm >>1141147

>>1141199
At risk of sounding like a fortune cookie

"be weary of any deals offered."

BAMP

>>1141202
http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/chaos/principiachao.html

The primer, basically it pronounces the philisophical theory behind chaos magick, good place for getting a foothold.

http://www.spiralnature.com/magick/chaos/sigservgod.html

Long ass essay on sigils, their application, historical use, etc. will teach you everything you need to know; however if that's a bit too much, poke around spiral nature's chaos magick section, plenty of different approaches in there, surely something you can play with.

>>1141202

sorry mate, no fireball throwing. Magic half happens in your head so a really close minded fella would simply dismiss it as a coincidence or think that is something in their heads (we are talking about so ghosts so my mind is playing games with me) wich is technically true, so :/

My exGF was pretty accurate at Tarot but any close minded peson will simply call bullshit. The problem is that science right now can't prove things outside its framework and there's also the little fact that some things are explained by both science and magic and boths explanations can be true. All contradictions can be explained if just change the perspective

>>1141208
Elaborate plox? He's mentioned on occasion that he'd like me to be his "agent" to do shit for him in our world.

In b4 selling my soul to the devil

>>1141244

so how would you suggest removing a rather undesirable end of my personality? A trait that I am quite conscious about, but it is my total secret and I am disgusted by it.

>>1141253

Yea, that'd be the kind of deal. Generally if he's hanging around for no reason, You have some use for it, and it's going to use you for it.

>>1141272
Erase it. Remember how I said "fake it until you make it" earlier? yea, rule #1 of that is your personality, focus on your trait, the memories that create it.. and.. force them out of your head.. literally, erase them.

>>1141273
So you think I shouldn't go for it? Not to sound like a gigantic faggot, but why me? I don't have super powers.

>>1141272

shit man, that is difficult. You have two main choices

Choice #1: Repress it. Try not to think about, etc. Thats the shit most psychologist do and do not recomend it because it becomes like a cancer in your personality.

Choice #2: Supress it. Become hiperconcious about it and each day try to give it less importance. Eventually you'll start to care less and less. Its kinda forgetting about a girl. If you have to cry it out, do it. The key is to pull it out, not in. [recomended]

>>1141279
Probably in a position to give him something easier than someone else.

>>1141299
This is probably getting tedious, but what could I possibly have to offer?

>>1141305
Who knows, I don't know you.

>>1141305

why don't you ask him?

wait a moment, this thread is fascinating but I have to interject.
I really thought the vast majority of people in here would have been studying the occult or at least a certain aspect of it from a very young age.
I honestly didnt think that was special.

I'm not saying this at all to question or to cast doubt on watcher, Im just thinking to myself "wtf maybe Ive found a place I can use some of this quarter of a century of study"

I don't want to steal watchers thunder or anything but if anyone else is interested in the opinion of someone whos been studying the occult basically since they could read id be happy to help.

I don't claim to have powers or be anything "special", not any more special than any of you anyway. but.... wow... as silly as it sounds, a chance to help sounds.... cool and the thought that I might be somehow "special" because of this is almost intimidating but awesome.

Watcher:

You mentioned "second selves" and "death selves." I have compelling evidence that I am being plagued by a negative version of these - something I believe to be a malicious aspect of myself that is partly externalized - sort of a ghost of myself that I have created and now haunts me. I know it all sounds very psychological but once again, things have happened (such as other people seeing this other me in dreams) that convince me this is an actual entity. How do I go about binding and dismissing it?

>>1141358 (me)

question not just for the Watcher, I'd like to hear whatever anyone knowledgeable has to say.

>>1141368
>>1141358
what kind of compelling evidence do you have? Not doubting just wondering to better help you figure this all out.

wat

>>1141358
Rule #1 of self entities, confrontation is the first step to binding, confront it, and I know it sounds silly,but keep some salt on hand, just throw it if things go south >_>;

>>1141393
Come on now, my trip pass isn't THAT complicated.

How would I go about summoning a minor, harmless entity, Watcher?

You mentioned when in the astral plane and the Lovecraftian creatures. Say one did get to the astral plane and encountered one? What would happen?
Or is it the obvious mind raep?

>>1141415
That's like an entry--way drug, so.. no.
>>1141421
Not lovecraftian creatures, those are false, just.. similar, and yea, mindraep, possession, all thefun usuals.. along with astral stalking, and the possibility o being stuck in the astral plane with someone else riding your body.

>>1141433
Sounds fun. Any possible way to protect yourself or are they too powerful?

>>1141433
Who are you to judge if lovecraftian creatures are false!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wagn'nagl fhtagn!

>>1141385
>>1141394

I used to imagine this sort of darker, spectral version of myself. I wrote a short story about him for a class in college and felt I should use my middle name as his name. Within a matter of days my girlfriend told me about a dream she had where I appeared exactly as my imagined character (darker hair, brighter eyes, paler skin - sort of lame and emo sounding but scary) and hurt her physically. She had never read or heard of the story I had written. She saw this other me every night for a week. Soon after I became fairly depressed and felt strange all the time. I began acting like an asshole and didn't even notice. I felt sad and powerful and crazy. One day a friend came over to my room and in the middle of a conversation he jumped back and screamed. He explained that he had seen what appeared to be my face in the mirror on my wall but different. He got the impression that it was evil and had a malicious intent and was reasonably freaked out for a while afterwards. I worked for months to banish this other self, and have largely succeeded, but I fear that he is still there, lying dormant. I haven't used any sort of occult ritual or magic to do this - just pure will. I worry that it will take something more than just will to finish this. What can I do? Thank you watcher for your advice. Could you give me more specifics about how to "confront" this entity? Again, I'd really appreciate any help from anyone who is knowledgeable about these things.

>>1141448
I think as watcher said confrontation is rule #1. It sounds as if you've already begun the process. You have to realize that this thing is made, more or less of you. you're not so much binding or dispelling in a traditional sense as you are 're-absorbing' or containing it, forcing it to return to its source where it "belongs".

Further you have to recognize this thing is a part of you, you have to confront that and deal with he fact that its still inside you somewhere. I would personally try once confronted, to slowly alter its energy or purpose, you have enough in common you could begin to alter it within yourself and reclaim it into you.
Remember that its a part of you that belongs to you, you want it back you're taking it back to do with as you chose. You made it you have the power to un-make it or demand its cooperation.

Its good to know that at 3:00 in the morning, I can find people to keep me intellectually stimulated.
Watcher, I am not asking for a handout of your work and studies, I simply would like your input on where I can begin in similar respects to yourself; ideally, where I can get trusted information and whose info I should avoid.

Also, to stay in the vein of asking questions:
Ouija Boards. Gimmick of the 80's or should I never entertain the thought of digging it out of the attic?

>>1141500
I personally stay away from Ouija boards. I've heard to many tales of people getting haunted, possessed, or just generally fucked with because of those things
I've heard good remarks about them, though. And I have a few friends that know how to work one and which spirits to stay away from

I'd say it's a matter of preference really, but I don't know nearly as much as Watcher

>>1141500
see the two links I gave the other guy earlier, Chaos Magick is -the- starting point, it's simple, very... modern, and encourages the study of other sects ("belief is a tool, work with whatever you want however you want until you produce results, etc etc)

Spiral nature ( the site I gave him a link to) is very good for chaos magick.
>>1141442
The man himself said many times that they were.
>>1141437
Course there are, we wouldn't have books on the subject if people were getting possessed every time they tried it.

>>1141500
Forgot to say, ouija boards are an old spiritual medium, turned into a game.. nothing more than a frontend for a older technique, gives them an interface with which to interact.

>>1141500
this is
>>1141352
here

Id have to generally say, stay away from them. Ive always kind of likened ouija board to be like prank calling the other side. it MAY be entirely harmless but really you're just putting out an open line to "anybody who wants to come in" would you put a sign on your front door that said "anybody at all, my door is unlocked come on in"? I would hope not.

>>1141534
>>1141437 here

What books do you recommend?

Are the bodily fluids of a virgin maiden of any use whatsoever? (blood, tears, other bodily fluids that aren't so nice, etc.)

Do the Ax threads make you angry?

>>1141539
With all do respect, I sort of do want to announce an open door.

I was raised in a very cynical house, ruled predominantly by my father, and I could go on a tirade about my childhood in vain attempts to connect that with my goals and wishes here, but to digress, I do want contact.
I need to know if there is something, anything at all, beyond my perception. I'm not above playing with cardboard games, or sitting in front my my bathroom mirror as the clock strikes midnight, but I want to know whats "safe" and what works.
I quote safe, because I know for a fact I am strong willed, and have been told I have "tremendous command over my own aura and energies"

Thank you for your help.

>>1141582
well in that case it might be what you're looking for. I might also recommend automatic writing. Again Id caution though that you might want to try to invite specific energies rather than a completely open door policy but, your call. My only other piece of advice when contacting pretty much anything is to be open to them communicating with you in a multitude of ways, they don't always want to play whatever game you're playing with that day but they will take notice.

>>1141582
Just keep lots of salt around. >_> lol
>>1141579
Not really, I have an open mind, believe what you want, only things hat piss me off paranormal related are shit that affects me, the whole charm of rachel getting me random idiots walking up asking if that "Was that Kabbalah thing" becuase Madonna wears one -really- pissed me off.
>>1141563
When are the bodily fluids of a virgin NOT handy, I mean, really now? (this is a joke, while they have certain.. properties, there are things that are easier to obtain that can be used in their place, please do not go out kidnapping virgin maidens to stockpile their fluids, they have much better uses than fluid sources.)

>>1141597
>>1141601
Thank you both, regarding >>1141582

At risk of putting either of you off for the night, I would appreciate private contact at your leisure, with anything you think would help. I would like to know what I am doing before I cut a circle, smudge my room and spend all the money on candles. >_>
Please, at your leisure, its my tripcode at gmail.
Thank you, again.

>>1141609
cutting circles smudging and candles sounds like youre moving distinctly away from automatic writing and ouija light contact stuff into ceremonial and more involved rites, or are you just setting up protection of some kind?

>>1141633
Actually, it was just a small joke.
: >

>>1141651
contact on the way

Then if a girl did a ritual involving the blood/tears of a virgin, would she be able to use her own blood/tears?

>>1141727
not so much, the XXX of a virgin is often used in rituals where something extremely pure is required, untainted, that substitutes for that.. but there are plenty of other things that fill the role just as well that don't involve killing a perfectly good virgin.

and to the other guy -- I don't do personal contact, i've made too many annoying relationships in the past to do that, so anyone posing as me who sends you an email, isn't me.

and with that, I am taking a 30 minute nap, need to sleep little I guess -- if you need me, i'm.. usually around.

>>1141651
>>1141721
sent

Um, Watcher? I get a very bad aura when I visit this spiralnature site. What are they into?

That wasn't the real watcher.

>>1141796
They're putting spirals into people's ears.

A question for watcher/ anyone else with good info.

Poor little wiccan here, strong interest in magic, but wiccan sources only have so much to offer.
Thanks for the link to the spiral nature site. Would appreciate more links to places i can go to start broadening my knowledge.

turtles

>>I have one thing to say about drugs: There are many gateways, some of which are supposed to be walked through slowly, chemically ripping them open is never a good idea.

Unless you have a history of mental illness in your family, or lack the intelligence to note where an entheogenic path is overwhelming other aspects of your life psychadelic drugs are completely harmless and non-addictive.

You present a very simple minded way of thought regarding such things that display you have made an error in regards to the fundamental principle of what is described as 'chaos magic'. Of which that there are no definates and that which suits one might not suit others.

tl;dr Psychadelics are the cheat codes for spirituality.

>>1141941
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B3GGGL_enUS302US303&pwst=1&sa=X&oi=spell&
;resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=hermetic+kabbalah&spell=1
This is a great site, I strongly recommend you read the pdf. It won't teach you magic tricks, but you will have an initial and clear idea where the Western Esoteric Tradition comes from. In my opinion is a start to set things straight and distance yourself from the fireball throwing D&D crowd.

>>1142210
While all religions, including primitive Christianity (see John Allegro) used drugs, I suggest people don't go there without guidance. And maturity.

>>1142217

And I would say the same about any spiritual path, to not the barriers between our accepted and comfortable reality without maturity and guidance. People have such an immediate close minded assumption regarding drugs and it pains me to see what would normally be regarded as an open minded group of people shut out what I know to be exceptionally safe and harmless.

>>1142223

*not tread the

>>1142223
Our culture has lost the context that allows for a sane spirituality. Why religions don't work anymore? Because we lost the sense of community, both with nature and with our fellow humans. God is what is invoked, deities are communal/tribal deities that respond to particular need of a group integrated with its environment. People drink ayahuasca and iboga or chew coca leaves with limestone inside the context of a very specific world view, the same way the Greeks took their entheogenic drugs in the context of the Eleusian Mysteries. It is a long way for the lonely Western man to go back in that path.

>>1141352

OP here. I'm interested in this.

>I don't want to steal watchers thunder or anything but if anyone else is interested in the opinion of someone whos been studying the occult basically since they could read id be happy to help.

Would you consider assigning yourself a tripcode, then coming back and sharing it here? If I or /x/ wanted to do a conversation like this with you, it would be easier with one. Or, if you prefer, you could just start your own thread and quote the post you wrote above, and take questions directly. I'm sure many of us would be interested in hearing about the fruits of your research, even if they consist entirely of conclusions about what you have read.

ITT: Bunch of dickheads making shit up.

>>1142444

So, just like every single other thread on /x/ ever, then.

>>1142459

<3

>>1140749
You fucking liar. Angelic beings aren't like that at all! They do have a disdain for almost all of humanity because of our "morals" and such, but they won't smite you at the drop of a hat.