[11:07:08] anyone have any references to the cedega stealing d3d developer? [11:07:36] yeah [11:07:38] sorry, i subscribed to cedega several years ago... i use that for guild wars... [11:07:38] an irc log [11:07:50] kommerck: have it archived somewhere? [11:07:56] http://pastebin.ca/121319 [11:11:23] Thunderbird [n=roderick@sailsup.xs4all.nl] hat #linux-gamers.net betreten [11:11:26] ...so? you don't submit code to both those you work for and the public unless it's specifically allowed, they didn't steal him, they offered him a job and he accepted, he therefore left... seems almost like a standard non-compete clause... [11:13:02] well [11:13:20] he isn't allowed to work on wine anymore [11:13:50] yeah, that's because cedega is in direct competition with it... [11:14:25] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-compete_clause [11:14:43] well that sucks [11:15:03] wine isn't a cedega concurrent [11:15:12] crossover may be [11:15:17] but not wine [11:15:26] since wine is a oss project [11:15:28] Why does'nt he gove code to you to submit :D [11:15:37] just because it isn't commercial, doesn't mean it isn't competing... [11:15:44] pah transgaming at poo [11:16:02] this looks like jave's fault, not tg's ... [11:16:24] legally it might be OK but if we think of opensource we think about moral first, don't we [11:16:29] he presumably read the contract before signing it... [11:16:51] oss thinks about the software first free software things about the morals... [11:17:03] yeah, he isn't as biased as we and they paid him much [11:17:11] yea but its the fact that they are putting in there that they can't do stiff for wine I think [11:17:27] he read the contract first, right? [11:17:33] they took themselves a wine version years ago [11:17:36] I hope transgaming die soon >=[ [11:17:43] and now discourage people on working on it [11:17:49] yes, and that version was completely legal to do with what they did [11:18:00] as I said _legally_ it's ok [11:18:06] call it capitalism [11:18:09] agressive marketing [11:18:16] as you wish [11:18:39] all he had to do was say, "you know what? i like working with wine, i'll stick with it." [11:18:40] What was he doing for wine? [11:18:46] d3d development [11:18:49] as the topic says [11:18:51] :( [11:19:02] yea but What in d3d dev [11:19:09] GLSL support [11:19:15] NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! [11:19:17] thanks to him wine supports now ps 2.0 [11:19:17] :( [11:19:22] ps3.0 [11:19:23] and most of 3.0 [11:19:27] :( [11:19:32] the support is mostly done [11:19:38] it are mainly bugs that need to be fixed [11:19:40] #$$%!#@%@##$%@#$%@ transgaming! [11:20:05] I bet they want him to do that for thier product [11:20:25] 'cause transgaming has been working on that for months [11:20:30] oh [11:20:32] ...it was his fault... tg saw a someone who could do faster than they could what they needed and offered him a job... [11:20:46] and he decided he didn't need to finish what he was involved with first... [11:20:46] it was different [11:21:10] he actually contacted transgaming for questions about d3d stuff [11:21:26] oh [11:21:26] and then they talked a bit and in the end they asked if he wanted a job [11:21:42] they're working him in a different area so that when he gets to work on d3d stuff the code will be different from mainline wine [11:22:04] the point is he can't work on wine d3d anymore [11:22:11] wined3d* [11:22:12] and that it's his fault [11:22:35] well if he isnt dong d3d stuff for cedega what does it matter [11:22:56] he will end up doing d3d for cedega, but there is a cooling off period first [11:23:04] ah [11:23:41] not everyone has such a strong will as ESR [11:23:51] or is as biased [11:23:57] as some of us [11:24:24] it's sad yes, but it doesn't look to me like tg was being evil... [11:24:38] drantin, do you code? [11:24:44] no [11:24:49] What do you do? [11:25:26] waiting 2 years to get out of the us navy... [11:25:35] then head off to college... [11:25:56] hmm [11:26:03] What are you going to study? [11:26:23] computer science, not sure just what field within to specialize in... [11:26:27] drantin: and when M$ offered Daniel Robbins a job and he took it suddenly M$ was evil [11:26:43] ...M$ was evil way, way before that... [11:27:05] transgaming was evil way before that too :P [11:27:14] why? [11:27:17] anyway he quit MS [11:27:35] they imorraly nicked wine [11:27:37] drantin just remembered who drobbins was... [11:28:03] some people seem to have an odd definition of morality... [11:28:27] ara [n=ara@c-630de353.01-94-7673741.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] hat #linux-gamers.net betreten [11:28:53] well What if you where working on a project and then someone took it and sold it and gave a handfull of weak patches? [11:29:11] I think accepting help from people and then peeing at them is moral? [11:29:22] s/I/you/ [11:30:57] wine specifically chose a license that people could do that with, in fact in 2000 they changed over from BSD to X11 instead of GPL... [11:31:09] err [11:31:15] from BSD to LGPL [11:31:23] LGPL was adopted in 2002 [11:31:32] after that [11:31:40] well [11:31:50] as I said legally it's ok [11:31:51] i'm pulling this from the wine mailing list.. [11:33:03] drantin, that was probebly to help codeweavers who help wine [11:33:20] they didn't move over to LGPL until over a year after winex 1.0 was released... either they were just slow moving or they didn't care for a while... [11:34:02] hm... nm [11:34:23] and now see what tg does... they also advertise such things as "close collaboration with wine project" [11:34:51] i thought they stopped that a while ago? [11:35:08] and if they're asked about wine contribution they point to nine-ten patches sent in 2004 [11:35:27] and it's enough for the most to shut up [11:35:38] now they still use wine lgpl dlls [11:35:50] sure they release the source on their cvs [11:36:21] but that's all that is to understand under the interoperability [11:36:30] they don't add constructive patches to that dlls [11:36:49] so legally they haven't done anything wrong yet ? or just morally ? [11:37:11] nah, legally they're still clean [11:37:24] unless someone leaks their source and finds wined3d pieces in it [11:37:31] also the way they are importing LGPL wine dlls [11:37:33] then this will continue for sometime. I've been wondering why they haven't been sued yet [11:37:45] Thunderbird: that's what I'm talking about, it's fine [11:37:47] there are areas like msi.dll on which codeweavers has been working for months [11:37:54] and then they copy it over [11:38:28] lgpl dlls would actually be allowed... [11:38:48] drantin, I did no think wine 1 was out yet [11:38:51] but it isn't 'nice' of them .. [11:39:06] winex 1 ... not wine 1... [11:39:14] oh [11:39:17] cedega used to be called winex [11:39:18] codeweavers who puts a lot of money in wine and transgaming getting the code ..