freenode_#aethyra.log:[Wed May 13 2009] [22:01:46] http://www.animefuel.com/the-melancholy-of-haruhi-suzumiya-episode-01/ freenode_#kde-cafe.log:[Fri Oct 3 2008] [21:57:18] fred: http://dev.gentoo.org/~jkt/tmp/0001-Add-another-view-to-the-media-database-browsing-the.patch freenode_#kde-cafe.log:[Sun Oct 5 2008] [16:32:04] fred: http://dev.gentoo.org/~jkt/tmp/0001-Add-another-view-to-the-media-database-browsing-the.patch freenode_##linux-coders.log:[Thu Nov 20 2008] [22:49:31] http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/what-congress-and-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-barry-soetoro-barack-hussein-and-the-lawsuits/ freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [12:59:24] Jarvellis, warp from the monsters? freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [12:59:31] s/warp/warps/ freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:00:03] So if we'd break 0.0.24 now, the game would break for a significant amount of people. <- and I dropped it from lenny because of this reason.. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:00:54] the-me: Yes, but Hardy is going to go out of date by the end of this month. And when is Lenny going to be out of date? freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:03:16] b_lindeijer, I hope if you think that you could release 1.0 that the support for older clients is a bit longer :) freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:03:43] because the _MOST_ distributions don't include newer versions. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:04:16] yes I know. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:07:21] the best way for doing bigger changes which may break older clients would be e.g.: making the new feature fully available for new clients; older clients can't use them but they still could play it. for the full features version I could backport it e.g. on Debian on backports.org freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:07:40] but a completly banned client version is sometimes a little bit bad :)= freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:08:27] the-me: Yes, that's the best way, but there was no way to add more layers without breaking older clients. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:08:35] the-me: if we allow server scripts to access the client version they're talking to, we could easily do that for many cases freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:08:52] the-me: There also is no way to reduce the amount of sprite XML code duplication without breaking older clients. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:10:39] b_lindeijer, I know there are many problems, but for example wesnoth supports for a longer time older clients. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:10:49] (in their stable releases) freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:10:56] the-me: Yes, and they are in a better position to do this. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:11:01] the-me: but wesnot isn't an MMORPG (or did they change?) freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:11:09] yes, more developers, bigger userbase etc freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:11:39] Jaxad0127, no but technically the same problems (worldwide server and different client versions) freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:11:57] the-me: have they really changed networking code that much? freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:12:34] Jaxad0127, yes and no. they have stable and experimental releases. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:12:42] stable with stable is guaranted to work. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:12:54] stable with experimental may conflict. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:14:16] I think this could be 'one solution' for 0.1 freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:14:44] but yeah duplicated code etc.. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:14:46] the-me: When you say stable with stable is guaranteed to work, I'm sure the newer version is going to be backwards compatible with the older one. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:14:54] the-me: So the older version doesn't need to be forward compatible. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:15:18] but primary I think it would be a good idea to discuss a modell for a longer support of older clients of tmw. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:15:21] the-me: But for TMW, we can't have the server be backward compatible to older clients, since it would require duplicating a lot of client data in different versions. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:15:46] the-me: So you're asking us to make the TMW client forward compatible with newer client data. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:15:49] the-me: Which isn't possible. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:16:27] b_lindeijer, no - I just wanted to say, that I also do not have a proper solution for it but it should be discussed :) freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:18:04] if possible the older clients just can't use some features freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:18:13] just for example partys freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:18:30] is their really a need for older clients to play that they have the feature? freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:19:01] yes it's good etc but if they do not have the version they could play it or not e.g. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:20:04] b_lindeijer, wesnoth e.g. has two trees, now: 1.4.5 (stable release) and the 1.5.4 experimental tree. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:20:22] but I think such things are only possible if 0.1 appears. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:22:17] (I will not hail wesnoth here on all now, that's just the best example for it I've got now :)). I could also play with 1.5.x as with 1.4.x on the offical and unoffical 1.4.x servers while many things have been changed from the unit skills e.g. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:32:28] you're not the first person (only today) that reports, that tortoisesvn failed. :) freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:48:19] the-me: We also have two "trees": stable releases and a development branch freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Sun Oct 19 2008] [13:48:42] the-me: That we don't make development releases is just because it doesn't make sense without a development server too. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [14:33:37] rodge: Well, that was on the-me's request. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [14:59:47] rodge: Well, that was on the-me's request. <- yes but that was also a protest from me against two persons with release huts freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [15:02:30] I will also ask Alexander Wirt (backports.org) after lenny is released, to allow me to upload it to bpo. freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [15:03:17] so on users also have a more or less offical debian package and if everything fails we could still host it on sf.net and I will support the packaging for myself for stable :) freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 21 2008] [15:04:14] I'm just on Debian and I do not like macs for myself *fg* freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 28 2008] [17:39:14] Quit the-me has left this server (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Oct 28 2008] [17:41:28] Join the-me has joined this channel (i=m3@Linux-Dev.org). freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [13:13:40] yes freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [13:15:13] you mean he will port tmw to emacs? freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [13:15:36] <[m]att> the-me: #tmw.de freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [13:30:22] I mean he is fan of emacs, that's all <-- he is the author of it? freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Fri Jan 30 2009] [07:54:36] "the-me" is the Debian maintainer freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Fri Jan 30 2009] [07:54:58] no me, someone actually called "the-me" freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Fri Jan 30 2009] [07:55:04] not me, someone actually called "the-me" freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Fri Feb 13 2009] [23:44:58] Quit the-me has left this server (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). freenode_#themanaworld.log:[Fri Feb 13 2009] [23:45:24] Join the-me has joined this channel (i=m3@r18628.ovh.net). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Fri Feb 13 2009] [23:44:58] Quit the-me has left this server (anthony.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Fri Feb 13 2009] [23:45:22] Join the-me has joined this channel (i=m3@r18628.ovh.net). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Sat May 2 2009] [05:54:15] Quit the-me has left this server ("leaving"). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Sat May 2 2009] [05:54:25] Join the-me has joined this channel (i=me@linux-dev.org). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Sat May 2 2009] [05:55:46] Quit the-me has left this server (Client Quit). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Sat May 2 2009] [06:14:06] Join the-me has joined this channel (i=me@linux-dev.org). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:08:32] b_lindeijer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526908 freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:08:55] the-me: I noticed. But what can we do? freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:08:58] (and he is on powerpc) freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:09:11] I think it might be an SDL issue freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:09:12] the-me: But I don't understand how he can get that message, but still hear sound. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Tue May 5 2009] [15:28:15] b_lindeijer: W: guichan source: outdated-autotools-helper-file config.guess 2004-03-12 freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Tue May 5 2009] [15:28:19] W: guichan source: outdated-autotools-helper-file config.sub 2004-03-12 freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Tue May 5 2009] [15:28:36] may you recreate them for the next version with an up to date autofoo version please? freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Wed May 6 2009] [11:30:41] the-me: This weekend. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Wed May 6 2009] [11:33:03] b_lindeijer: fine :) freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:38:34] Anyway I expect us to compile fine, otherwise we would have heard from the-me I think. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:46:59] the-me: ! freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:48:34] Jaxad0127: yeah? freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:51:38] Jaxad0127: what was now? :) freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:53:05] 18:38 < b_lindeijer> Anyway I expect us to compile fine, otherwise we would have heard from the-me I think. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:53:28] ah freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 7 2009] [14:53:36] jepp :) freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Fri May 8 2009] [14:33:02] Quit the-me has left this server (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Fri May 8 2009] [15:09:44] Join the-me has joined this channel (i=me@linux-dev.org). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Wed May 13 2009] [19:25:30] Quit the-me has left this server (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Wed May 13 2009] [19:25:34] Join the-me has joined this channel (i=me@linux-dev.org). freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Wed May 13 2009] [19:25:48] the-me: I'm putting source and Windows releases in place now. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [04:54:17] * the-me slaps b_lindeijer around freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:19:06] * b_lindeijer still wonders why the-me was slapping him. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:36:13] b_lindeijer: multiple packaging issues :) freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:36:33] hmp why doesn't irssi show the highlight 0o freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:37:20] 1) $ ls usr/share/man/man6/tmw.6 freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:37:21] usr/share/man/man6/tmw.6 freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:37:29] manpages should be installed gzip compressed freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:38:35] 2) $ ls -l usr/share/games/pixmaps/tmw.png freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:38:36] -rwxr-xr-x 1 me me 18176 14. Mai 11:12 usr/share/games/pixmaps/tmw.png freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:38:50] it has to be /usr/share/pixmaps/ and the icon is installed with +x freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:39:25] 3) you wanted to include tmw.xpm in the tarball ;) (which should be installed then also to usr/share/pixmaps/) freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:39:46] $ ls -l usr/share/games/applications/tmw.desktop freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:39:47] -rw-r--r-- 1 me me 388 14. Mai 11:12 usr/share/games/applications/tmw.desktop freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:39:57] usr/share/applications is the right dir freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:45:00] and there is a ChangeLog file which is empty ;) freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:49:44] b_lindeijer: [Thread 0x7feac2ba3950 (LWP 29672) exited] freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:49:44] Mesa 7.4.1 implementation error: Unable to delete texture, no context freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:49:44] Please report at bugzilla.freedesktop.org freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:50:04] just on exit tmw with current mesa, kernel, xorg and radeon driver running dri freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [05:50:11] but I will upload now freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:23:27] the-me: You should have told me before the release. :P freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:23:48] the-me: irssi only highlights when you are being addressed, not when generally your name is mentioned. You have to add a /hilight for that. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:24:14] the-me: We need an empty ChangeLog file for the autotools to work, but we don't use it anymore since switching to git. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:24:32] the-me: I mean, we don't need an empty one, but we can't leave it out. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:24:45] b_lindeijer: ah freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:25:21] b_lindeijer: hmm you could just input the one which is posted to the sf.net release notes for further releases freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:25:25] or git log freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Thu May 14 2009] [06:26:05] b_lindeijer: I told you about tmw.xpm, but you forget it and I saw the other issues just because I reworked some more things with the packaging itself freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:40:35] soo freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:40:47] tmw 0.0.29-1 is in testing, now I can start and provide backports freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:48:46] args there was something.. freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:49:01] b_lindeijer: do you still have the log with my posted issues? freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:49:20] dito freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:49:31] yes and I forget it freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:50:17] I remember that the tmw.xpm file is missing in the tarball and a doubled tmw.png icon is installed with execution rights somewhere freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:50:23] fuck :> freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:52:22] I noticed most issues on rewriting some parts which never gets in any VCS because I was debugging some things :) freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:52:39] but those issues are realy there freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:52:47] but as I remember there was a third one freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 25 2009] [12:54:23] Kage_Jittai: grep for the-me :P freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Sat Oct 25 2008] [14:45:00] maybe he should just learn some basics of cpp :) freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Tue Oct 28 2008] [17:39:14] Quit the-me has left this server (calvino.freenode.net irc.freenode.net). freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Tue Oct 28 2008] [17:41:28] Join the-me has joined this channel (i=m3@Linux-Dev.org). freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:35:22] b_lindeijer, plans for 0.1? freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:36:35] the-me: Hmm, good idea. freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:37:13] b_lindeijer, plans aka when will it beat down 0.0.x? :) freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:37:49] because I also want the tmwserv in the repo freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:39:51] b_lindeijer, that's right - these bug should be fixed then first before any new feature will be implemented. freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Thu Oct 30 2008] [11:40:06] if it's fixed => releasing a alpha / beta freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:38:06] b_lindeijer, I saw in the past some abi/api changes at guichan. could you please notice to increase the soname to 0.9 then please? and after that for a maintenance release (0.9.1 eg) there is no need to increase the soname again if it doesn't brake things again freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:38:35] from 0.8 to 0.8.1 it was okay because of an error in the soname itself freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:39:11] here's also a little faq for it: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libtool.html#Libtool-versioning freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:43:42] the-me: If you have a patch it would be applied in no time. freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:44:15] b_lindeijer, if you do my documentation work and Debian tests :) freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:44:51] the-me: Sorry, no. :P freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:45:47] the-me: I've told Olof. freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [09:46:16] what the hell is tmx? freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Tue Nov 18 2008] [09:47:05] ah it just sounds like a fork :) freenode_#tmw-gm.log:[Sun May 24 2009] [06:30:04] who is the-me ? freenode_#tmw-gm.log:[Sun May 24 2009] [06:30:25] the-me is his IRC nick. http.log:freenode_#kde-cafe.log:[Fri Oct 3 2008] [21:57:18] fred: http://dev.gentoo.org/~jkt/tmp/0001-Add-another-view-to-the-media-database-browsing-the.patch http.log:freenode_#kde-cafe.log:[Sun Oct 5 2008] [16:32:04] fred: http://dev.gentoo.org/~jkt/tmp/0001-Add-another-view-to-the-media-database-browsing-the.patch http.log:freenode_##linux-coders.log:[Thu Nov 20 2008] [22:49:31] http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/what-congress-and-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-barry-soetoro-barack-hussein-and-the-lawsuits/ http.log:freenode_#tmw-dev.log:[Mon May 4 2009] [14:08:32] b_lindeijer: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=526908 http.log:freenode_#tmwdev.log:[Mon Nov 3 2008] [15:39:11] here's also a little faq for it: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/manual/libtool.html#Libtool-versioning