--- Log opened Sun May 31 23:42:44 2009 23:42 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 2 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normal] 23:42 -!- catsup [xureh@hyras.leri.silc] has joined chat 23:42 -!- catsup [xureh@hyras.leri.silc] has left chat [] --- Log closed Sun May 31 23:42:50 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 02:03:37 2009 02:03 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 3 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 3 normal] 02:03 -!- catsup [xureh@hyras.leri.silc] has joined chat 02:04 :-) 02:04 there are some different ppl from the ones in #Library that come in here 02:04 i don't like to have to divide in my own mind the activities of talking on topic and off topic 02:05 i guess it's alright if the conversation is decided offtopic 02:06 it is only as a matter of convenience that the #library is mostly reserved--though we go off topic all the time--last week I had to scroll for a good 20 minutes just to 'catch up' 02:06 but an on-topic discussion subjected to the topic police becomes not fun and also brings out the issue of who has the op-power to decide what is topical 02:07 'decidedly' 02:07 not a great choice of adjective now that i see it emphasized :| 02:09 once i had the idea to print this: http://jerkface.net/responsibilization 02:09 i was going to put it on one side of a page, and put another word definition on the other side 02:11 jerkface. nice 02:11 =D 02:11 i skimmed it -- i am trying to finish my way through The Accursed Share 02:11 it's also at http://childrenofmay.org/responsibilization 02:11 for respectability :p 02:12 :-) 02:12 it's definitely not something that can be skimmed 02:13 but anyway if you encountered 'responsibilization' in foucault, it's just supposed to define it in simple terms 02:14 make it accessible 02:14 i've read lots of foucault but i dont recall that term 02:15 Maybe I 'forgot foucault' 02:16 what did you read 02:16 did you read the 'power' anthology? 02:16 'essential foucault vol. 3' 02:16 .. what publisher? 02:16 no 02:16 duno 02:17 http://www.biblio.com/books/61861034.html 02:17 I read mad & civ, d&p, history of sexuality, .. that new book on truth from autonomedia or semiotext .. and, my favorite of his, the archaeology of knowledge 02:17 maybe otehrs, but i cant recall right now 02:17 ah, i've seen this book 02:17 TOC somewhere? 02:18 actually nm. i honestly couldn't read any more foucault if I was forced to by threat of castration 02:18 why not 02:18 i'm convinced he was a mole 02:19 perfecting structuralism 02:19 lol what 02:19 one has only to read his methodological work, The arch of knowledge to see how his work mirrors goffman's microstructuralism 02:20 http://jerkface.net/who-is-foucault%3f.html 02:21 sorry. I read the ending alone "The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it." and it retroactively contaminated the rest of the article for me :-P 02:21 um ok 02:21 lol I'm playing :-P 02:21 well you didn't read it through 02:22 I have too many pages demanding my attention already .. one only has time for so many words in a day 02:22 sure you said that 02:23 but i think you missed the point of archaeology of knowledge 02:24 perhaps, what did i miss? 02:24 you don't have time for it :p 02:25 the answer is in the link, anyway 02:25 brb 02:26 I do not see a reference in your link to the archeological method, only to genealogical which constitutes a difference in his lineage of thought 02:26 ok --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 02:31:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 02:33:50 2009 02:33 Anyway, it is beyond clear to me that the enonce (the statement) in Foucault's work (indeed his magnum opus on his methodology which grounds his life's work) takes the formation on the basis of what he calls "rules of formation"; these rules provide the structure for the grounds of power and discourse. The subject is trapped within the omnipresence of these grammatical rules. Deleuze, on the other hand, takes Foucault completely outside of his own structuralism. 02:34 Previous structuralists had only trapped the subject within the web of the certain limited forms. Foucault took it further and said: no wait, there is even less freedom than you think. 02:34 magnum opus! 02:36 If you are at all familiar with Goffman who, in everyday life was just as much an oddball as Foucault, you will know that people often mistake him, as well, with some sort of free-willed microsociologist when, in fact, he is the structuralist beyond all others in sociological literature. 02:36 His writing was a bit like a seinfeld or a 'curb your enthusiasm' episode. Documenting the most intimate of everyday behaviors within the language of structure 02:37 why do you think that methodology ground's foucault's life work 02:37 did you read the link? 02:37 these are the characters that appear to so many as the forefathers of a radical generation when they were the ones who sold us out 02:37 because foucault himself said that it did, and i trust him to tell the truth about his intentions 02:38 yes i read the link 02:38 he didn't say that :p 02:38 and it can't be taken seriously even if so 02:39 sure, check page 205 of the Tavistock Publications version of the book 02:39 there are other references, its the only i am willing to find right now 02:39 you misunderstand me 02:39 you are talking about method, i am talking about purpose 02:40 I think it can be taken seriously. I think that he was doing so mcuh writing about things that he wanted to reflect on what the fuck he was actually doing it for, what moved him to do it 02:40 -!- marco#2 [xoceb@cocos.suki.silc] has joined chat 02:40 polo! 02:40 goood morning 02:40 I have no doubt that his purpose in writing it was to guide a bunch of little-foucauldians to take up his church 02:41 but that's a hunch. I am not guided by purpose, only faith. that is my faith 02:41 you want to understand the work outside of its political context 02:41 I am aware of the political context of the work -- it was after so many more radical, anti-structuralist, writings had already been on display 02:42 early 70s .. 69. 02:42 Foucault: The university stands for the institutional apparatus through which society ensures its uneventful reproduction, at the least cost to itself. The disorder within institutions of higher learning, their imminent demise (whether real or apparent), does not extend to the society's will for conservation, identity, and repetition. 02:42 You are asking what can be done to disrupt the system's cycle of social reproduction; and it isn't enough to suppress or overturn the university. Other forms of repression must also be attacked. 02:44 yes. power is everywhere, resistance must be everywhere. the tactical route. 02:44 but this contradicts his entire corpus. he is not interested in resistance, he is interested in how we can not resist. 02:45 that's silly 02:45 this was the force behind the arch of knowledge and the bit of methodological work he did in his sexuality book 02:45 i'm sorry, this much is completely clear to me and anybody who has read foucault. I can not understand how it could be denied 02:46 maybe it's reading foucault that causes the problem :p 02:46 reading it along with so many other books sitting next to his 02:46 comparing them to each other 02:46 in the context of a bookshelf 02:47 perhaps, but if one wants to defend foucaults intentions one would be turning ones back to his very clear statement about the author-function in the arch of knowledge 02:47 reading foucault is the problem. we can agree on that much :-) 02:48 did you ever read whatever it was where foucault says that power does not exist when a person is in chains 02:48 that would be a good text for you to read 02:48 if not 02:49 what is said about the author function is not relevant 02:49 it is if we are debating the truth of foucault 02:49 what kind of thing to debate is that 02:50 haha 02:50 instead of the valuable of his insight. and no, i dont recognize that quote .. sounds interesting though 02:50 i will look at those marginal thoughts 02:50 haha marginal 02:50 but I will consider them only that. 02:51 the order of things and that other crap is what they teach in the universities exactly because it's the least politically relevant 02:51 what other books did he write? 02:51 perhaps he only wrote his really good stuff in some short essays and interviews 02:51 um 02:51 surely you've read a list 02:53 did you ever read governmentality? 02:53 security, territory, & population? 02:53 those were lectures 02:54 those are not books he wrote 02:54 i know 02:54 exactly my point, why are there two faces -- was he trying to deceive the book reading population? 02:54 because I do see your point 02:54 no 02:54 (and i have read governmentality, now that you mention it.. and I remember it being -very- different than other works) 02:55 i almost want to tell you to read that link again 02:55 it's the order of things and the archaeology of knowledge that are different 02:55 ok. i will 02:55 brb 02:58 ok, read it. I see your point, particularly about the revolt statement 02:59 however, and I am not one for 'wholes', if one does take his work in 'whole', ignoring his refutation of the author-function, one would clearly see that the common theme is a very microstructuralist one. There are times, however, where he jumps off the page and it is interesting that these are the marginal themes that others reading him decide to pick up. The reflection, then, turns out as a matter of a consciousness far superior to Foucault and yet also limited by him. 03:00 you, one so interested in coherency, lineages, wholes, and canons, surely can not disagree with this assessment. 03:01 perhaps we have exchanged roles 03:01 let's pick this up again later. .. I have to say, I really enjoyed thinking about this. thank you 03:05 i looked away bc i'm talking in #Library 03:05 and i'm still looking away but bbl --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 03:10:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 03:32:07 2009 03:32 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 4 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 4 normal] 03:32 why do the nicks have numbers after them? 03:32 i guess i could just read about silc --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 03:38:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 03:55:26 2009 03:55 duane#7: are you around? --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 04:00:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 04:00:59 2009 04:00 hey 04:01 ya --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 04:06:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 04:22:40 2009 04:22 aragorn, marco, catsup: do any of you by chance know what a replacement carburetor would cost for a small 80cc scooter? 04:22 estimate. I have no knowledge of these things whatsoever, and google is not helping me 04:26 nm, i found some 04:28 no idea --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 04:33:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 06:55:12 2009 06:55 -!- marco#2 [xoceb@cocos.suki.silc] has quit [leaving] --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 07:00:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 09:35:03 2009 09:35 -!- rocinante#5 [xozen@rodeg.seny.silc] has joined chat 09:35 good morning --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 09:41:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 10:16:34 2009 10:16 morning 10:21 -!- marco#2 [xomik@kipok.kaba.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 10:27:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 10:46:18 2009 10:46 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/06/04/international/i070851D83.DTL&tsp=1 --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 10:51:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 11:09:36 2009 11:09 -!- ZeroCool [xeciz@topym.zasu.silc] has joined chat 11:09 http://hackbloc.org/etc/zine/7/htz-7-for_print.pdf 11:09 http://hackbloc.org/etc/zine/7/htz-7-for_print.pdf 11:09 http://hackbloc.org/etc/zine/7/htz-7-for_print.pdf 11:10 spammer! 11:11 are you printing copies? 11:14 not yet 11:15 some people up north are 11:15 do you have a copier hookup? 11:15 nope 11:15 how far up north? 11:15 olympia 11:16 and portland 11:16 k. I was going to vol to bring some to portland. 11:16 obviously not necessary 11:19 vol? 11:20 volunteer 11:20 I have no time for complete words 11:20 this is the future! 11:20 iswym 11:25 iswym? 11:25 icas :) 11:25 (im cool as shite) 11:25 not to brag or anything 11:27 iotbabrs 11:27 its okay to be a bit ridiculous sometimes 11:27 ;) 11:31 rocinante#5: why don't you say that here 11:32 library is a working channel catsup, we all have an urge sometimes to say stuff here, but please keep it in the regular chat 11:32 is that better? 11:32 well no 11:32 it's still in the other channel 11:33 youre funny 11:33 it is hurting my eyes! 11:33 aragorn#2: your client renders that font tag? 11:34 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 6 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6 normal] 11:34 y. I use irssi 11:40 god there is just so much wrong with this paper 11:40 i don't know why i keep reading 11:41 what do you think is wrong? 11:41 what paper is that? 11:41 catsup where are you from if you dont mind me asking? 11:42 connecticut 11:42 http://theanarchistlibrary.org/anarchism-or-revolutionary-movement-twenty-first-century this paper 11:43 oh cool, how is connecticut? 11:43 i wouldn't know 11:43 graeber is a controversial dude it seems 11:43 i don't have much more access to it than you 11:43 i can tell you more about the internet 11:44 why is that? 11:44 lol because i am telematic man 11:44 what is telematic? 11:46 i just mean my main connection with the world outside my body is through the computer 11:47 oh, that sounds kind of sad... 11:47 indeed it is quite sad 11:47 im sure the weather in connecticut is getting warmer, maybe you should go outside more? 11:48 -!- leona#4 [xedaz@secat.nedu.silc] has joined chat 11:49 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-nXT8lSnPQ 11:49 physical space does not offer to me the opportunities for action or socialization that cyberspace does, though of course it is more scenic 11:50 :p 11:53 computers make me sick after a while... i need real lifel 11:53 I have never been a big computer person. I did it for the $ 11:54 I'm really glad I was an adult when the Internet really started to blossom. 11:56 hell of a lot better than tv though 11:57 it can be but not necessarily 11:57 plenty of ways to do the Internet passively 11:58 .flv has shown the way 11:59 what are people reading? 12:00 same crap --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 12:06:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 12:07:23 2009 12:07 sorry. that was a half-assed attempt to change the subject in my brain 12:07 so disregard, everyone! ;) 12:09 lol @ 'Still, there are a lot of details still to be filled in: what are the anarchist's full sets of positive institutional alternatives to contemporary legislatures, courts, police, and diverse executive agencies?' 12:10 where is that from? 12:10 -!- aragorn#2 changed the topic of chat to: there are a lot of details still to be filled in! 12:10 same shit heh 12:11 http://theanarchistlibrary.org/anarchism-or-revolutionary-movement-twenty-first-century 12:12 ah. they have a vision. 12:12 meet the new vision, same as the old one 12:13 "the Crimethinc Collective, the greatest propagandists of contemporary American anarchism" 12:13 isnt that true? 12:14 um 12:14 what about FC? ;) 12:19 what is FC? 12:19 http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=Industrial_Society_and_Its_Future&oldid=547096 12:20 friends of chomsky 12:20 FC? really? 12:20 FC isn't an @ 12:20 never claimed to be 12:20 wrong FC aragorn#2 12:21 i mean ted kaczynski 12:21 so do I 12:21 I was joking w/ the first one 12:21 oh ok 12:22 It's actually a reference to an old @ newspaper called Alphabet threat 12:22 215. The anarchist[34] too seeks power, but he seeks it on an individual or small-group basis; he wants individuals and small groups to be able to control the circumstances of their own lives. He opposes technology because it makes small groups dependent on large organizations. 12:22 [34] This statement refers to our particular brand of anarchism. A wide variety of social attitudes have been called "anarchist," and it may be that many who consider themselves anarchists would not accept our statement of paragraph 215. It should be noted, by the way, that there is a nonviolent anarchist movement whose members probably would not accept FC as anarchist and certainly would not approve of FC's violent methods. 12:23 his use of @ is blank here. he could be saying mustard, or social-democrat 12:23 or libertarian... 12:24 he wants individuals and small groups to be able to control the circumstances of their own lives... pretty much describes everybody 12:24 muslims, xtians, republicans, and (sadly) not very many @ 12:26 use is blank? 12:27 -!- duane#7 [ximov@vofoc.cuky.silc] has left chat [duane#7] 12:28 anyway FC >> crimethinc for sure 12:28 blank ie variable 12:28 nope. I strongly disagree 12:28 he wrote ONE thing. 10 years ago 12:28 CT has put out 100,000 copies of fighting for our life 12:28 he wrote a few other things 12:28 One that anyone has heard of 12:29 published in the washington post 12:29 lived from the land 12:29 once. for one day and NOT LINKED TO @ 12:29 linked to terrorism 12:29 even if he has a tenous connection 12:30 eh? 12:30 i don't think he was considered a terrorist 12:30 by the media 12:30 he was a serial killer 12:30 ok 12:31 of course terrorist what he'd be in the media today (and also more accurate) 12:31 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Hit_Where_It_Hurts <-- take a look 12:32 I am quite familiar with TK 12:33 hm 12:33 why did you said FC isn't an @ never claimed to be 12:34 This is due to correspondance I am privy to in the past 5 years 12:34 okay im taking a break, to go work outside.... be back later. 12:34 He doesn't actually "own up" to writing the original article btw 12:35 yeah sure 12:35 FC wrote the article 12:36 anyway the article, besides claiming to be written by an anarchist group, advocates an anarchist revolution 12:37 good for it 12:39 Your argument is interesting. I disagree with it but it is worth some thought. 12:39 eh? 12:39 what argument 12:39 lol. there goes aragorn! again 12:40 that FC is the greatest prop of contemp @ 12:40 oh 12:40 i was just kidding about that 12:40 hence the smiley 12:40 but FC >> crimethinc 4srs 12:40 meaning you agree with FC more than CT? 12:41 no that's not what i mean 12:42 so what *do* you mean? 12:47 crimethinc never taught me a thing 12:49 what relationship are you implying between fc and ct? 12:50 >> stands for "much greater than" 12:50 this topic started becaseu we were talking about propaganda and he said FC>>CT 12:50 yes, i know what the symbols mean. your use of it is my query 12:51 sorry 12:51 got it 12:51 how old were you when you found FC vs CT? 12:51 are you saying young >> old cuz you learn more when you are young? 12:51 or at least chronology 12:52 haha i am not sure that i do learn more when i am young 12:52 re: texts? 12:52 my brain is melting. lter 12:52 -!- leona#4 [xedaz@secat.nedu.silc] has left chat [leona#4] 12:53 but no i don't mean that crimethinc is familiar 12:53 -!- ZeroCool [xeciz@topym.zasu.silc] has left chat [ZeroCool] --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 12:59:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 12:59:56 2009 12:59 crimethinc opposes work 13:01 in a way that seems to suggest the reason work exists is that people believe in it 13:01 they did not create this idea 13:02 it has a long tradition in political discourse 13:02 the causal process is reversed 13:02 in their assumption 13:04 the text becomes a sort of utopian fantasy at best, a moralizing victim-blaming at worse, in any case the fact of power and the means by which wage labor is enforced have no place whatever in their texts as far as i have seen 13:04 how about the reason that people continue to work is because they belive in it 13:04 huh? 13:04 their project is to avoid work as a way to free the individual 13:04 no? 13:05 i'm stunned 13:05 are you make this assertion: "the reason that people continue to work is because they belive in it 13:05 making 13:05 ? 13:05 that is CT's assertion that I am restating, yes. 13:05 oh ok 13:06 well if you are not asserting it i am not stunned :p 13:06 I am not a foucaultian. I believe there is power & violence ;-) 13:06 their project seems to be to sell a sort of utopian hope without basis in the form of glossy advertising 13:07 um 13:07 'I am not a foucaultian' <-- duno what you mean there 13:07 referring to your discussion w/ duane 13:08 well but i still don't know 13:09 I do not believe that power is everywhere equal 13:09 that we are all guilty and shared participants in power 13:09 anyway the chief basis for enforcement of work on the population is eviction 13:09 oh well neither does foucault 13:09 and CT resolve that issue by not paying rent... 13:10 lol 13:10 no eviction is what causes the problem of eviction 13:10 ack 13:10 no, not paying rent is what causes the problem of eviction 13:10 it is not the resolution to the problem! 13:10 CT is not a revolutionary program (as far as it goes). it is a program for living. 13:11 i don't see a program for living there 13:11 what, sell books? 13:11 be petite-bourgeois? 13:11 sounds nice, everybody wants that, own your own business, american dream 13:12 not available though except in dreams 13:12 except for the 100's of ppl who are living that way inspired by CT 13:12 lol 13:13 http://www.paulgraham.com/ 13:13 are you a professional software developer? 13:13 no 13:13 you must be 13:14 why? 13:14 pg 13:14 anyway, paul graham also inspires youths to start their own companies 13:15 and ycombinator exists 13:15 actually there's a real similarity there, i mean there is even a critique of work there 13:15 sure 13:15 I don't disagree that this resonates with an american dream 13:16 the founders of CT have a randian background 13:16 graham doesn't maintain the pretense of abolishing privilege through acquiring it 13:16 I don't think CT do either 13:17 but who cares, I know and you know that they are 13:17 eh? 13:17 ppl are poor judges of themselves a lot of the time 13:17 they are? 13:18 the latter clause, i guess 13:19 foucault does not say that everyone has power, foucault says that power is everywhere, structuring the field of the possible, but also that the 'weak term', the dominated in power-relations, structure the field of the possible for the dominating class 13:19 'weak term in the equation', i shouldn't have even used that phrase. anyway 13:20 I chat to chat, not to be precise 13:20 but good for you 13:20 eh 13:20 i don't want you to have the wrong idea about foucault 13:20 the phrase about power being everywhere 13:20 I don't 13:21 http://jerkface.net/the-king 13:21 actually have the relevant passage 13:21 i typed that in by hand! 13:22 crazy 13:22 yeah maybe 13:22 most people aren't even capable of reading it 13:23 let alone willing 13:23 I have only skimmed hos but read his earlier work. 13:25 did you read governmentality 13:26 i haven't found a digital 13:27 no 13:27 that would be worth typing 13:27 not of course that i have to 13:28 but if i did -- it would be worth it -- not crazy, i think 13:32 what do you think about trying to make this sort of material accessible? 13:32 I think foucault is fine but mostly of interest to academics 13:33 only academics can understand foucault 13:34 i mean making it accessible, like, inserting concrete examples, simpler language, etc. 13:34 rewriting foucault would be a useful project 13:34 useful how? 13:35 i mean what do you imagine would be the use 13:35 to having his ideas be discussed/used outside of the academy 13:36 well i don't think that's useful 13:37 i mean imagine a bunch of people talking about foucault in a book club or something 13:37 obviously pointless 13:38 disagree strongly 13:38 why do you think "making it accessible" would be useful? 13:39 i was just asking you if you tohught it would be 13:40 i personally couldn't do anything with it 13:40 i mean, i could rewrite the text, but i could do nothing with the resulting text 13:40 but, could anybody do anything with it? 13:40 that is what i wonder 13:41 I don't think a little rewrite would be useful. I think the idea of a total tear down and rebuild could be useful. 13:41 hacking philosophy makes hack philosophers :-) 13:43 eh 13:44 Just as the network of power relations ends by forming a dense web that passes through apparatuses and institutions, without being exactly localized in them, so too the swarm of points of resistance traverses social stratifications and individual unities. 13:44 And it is doubtless the strategic codification of these points of resistance that makes a revolution possible, somewhat similar to the way in which the state relies on the institutional integration of power relationships. 13:44 ok 13:44 out of context there is no meaning here, but you can at least tell that here foucault is explaining what makes a revolution possible 13:45 suppose for the sake of argument foucault is quite correct, that he has said something quite enlightening about what makes revolution possible, and how we should conceive of power if we are to understand revolution 13:46 suppose also that that text can be transformed in such a way as to make it possible to transfer that knowledge into more brains than are currently capable of receiving it 13:46 the question is, into which brains could the knowledge be transferred, if any, in order to make some use of that knowledge? 13:47 I am not a social engineer. I do not predict the affect of the ground on a seed or visa versa. 13:48 so i don't know the answer to your question 13:48 but I eat seeds 13:48 and have enjoyed them in the past 13:48 some have sprouted, others have been shat 13:50 really? 13:50 i mean don't you know people? 13:50 not like that 13:50 not like what? 13:50 to predict them 13:50 erm 13:51 predict them?? 13:51 "into which brains could the knowledge be transferred..." == prediction 13:51 i'm not asking for any sort of prediction 13:52 i don't know 13:52 network connectivity you know 13:54 have you got it? 13:55 ? 13:55 I guess not 13:55 Are you related network connectivity to people? 13:56 huh? 13:58 ok. I have to go to a meeting (I am at work). bbiab --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 14:03:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 14:47:48 2009 14:47 im shutting down for a while here. good day to all! be back later or so... 14:47 -!- rocinante#5 [xozen@rodeg.seny.silc] has left chat [rocinante#5] --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 14:53:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 16:00:22 2009 16:00 -!- frenzy#2 [xisem@dymur.fane.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 16:05:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 17:09:40 2009 17:09 i think the db of opensubtitles is approacing the catastrophe 17:10 lol 17:10 infoshop disease --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 17:15:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 17:32:13 2009 17:32 -!- frenzy#3 [xorah@murid.rehu.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 17:37:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 17:46:53 2009 17:46 ok, good night ppl 17:47 -!- marco#2 [xomik@kipok.kaba.silc] has quit [leaving] --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 17:52:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 19:12:29 2009 19:12 -!- ofelas [xeger@gatuz.kapi.silc] has joined chat 19:12 is the library up and running 19:12 ? --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 19:18:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 20:09:27 2009 20:09 -!- ofelas [xeger@gatuz.kapi.silc] has quit [] --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 20:15:26 2009 --- Log opened Thu Jun 04 23:11:18 2009 23:11 -!- worker [xunes@culed.reli.silc] has joined chat 23:11 -!- worker [xunes@culed.reli.silc] has quit [leaving] --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 23:16:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 01:07:28 2009 01:07 -!- worker [xumoc@zezah.pyzy.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 01:13:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 01:14:23 2009 01:14 -!- duane#8 [xenog@tikez.covu.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 01:19:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 01:34:43 2009 01:34 -!- leona#4 [xedaz@secat.nedu.silc] has joined chat 01:35 -!- leona#4 [xedaz@secat.nedu.silc] has left chat [leona#4] 01:39 -!- duane#8 [xenog@tikez.covu.silc] has left chat [duane#8] 01:42 -!- worker [xumoc@zezah.pyzy.silc] has quit [leaving] --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 01:47:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 03:01:05 2009 03:01 -!- Irssi: chat: Total of 2 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 2 normal] 03:03 -!- cumalali [xudid@dufoz.sise.silc] has joined chat 03:07 -!- worker [xotad@riluv.daty.silc] has joined chat 03:07 hello 03:08 olleh 03:13 whats new cumalali ? 03:13 welcome to the chat server? 03:14 hey, thanks :) 03:15 Just found out about this SILC thing today 03:15 cool. from @news? 03:16 from 'anarchistlibrary', and then anarchistnews from there yup 03:16 nice. are you familiar with IRC? 03:16 a little bit I guess 03:16 I've been to irc chatrooms before 03:17 there are some protocols that are useful to remember. 03:17 Yeah, I've been reading the command guides on the @news 03:17 like many ppl dont respond right away... cool. 03:17 quite helpful :) 03:17 what client are you using? 03:17 pidgin 03:17 are you on win? 03:17 that was the one in the guide 03:18 win...oh windows, yeah 03:18 k. Im not sure if there is another client for win. we have found that pidgin is pretty buggy (which is too bad) 03:18 ah :( 03:19 yep. many of us use linux and use irssi as our client. 03:19 ah that's cool 03:19 I've tried some "live cd's" before, but they seemed slow 03:19 yeah. best to install. commit! 03:19 I don't have my own computer so can't install linux-proper myself :-/ 03:19 :-) 03:19 ah 03:20 how did you find out about the library? 03:21 my friend sent me an email with a link to, um, I think it was a piece by zerzan 03:22 ah. interesting. 03:22 and then from there I explored the site 03:22 we just launched last week 03:22 this week! 03:22 oh wow 03:22 I had no idea it was that recent, y'all already have hundreds of texts on there! 03:22 the site was entirely built from people working here on SILC 03:22 yep 03:23 that's cool :) --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 03:28:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 03:46:45 2009 03:46 -!- duane#8 [xenog@tikez.covu.silc] has joined chat 03:47 hey --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 03:52:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 03:54:23 2009 03:54 hello 03:54 I am off to work. ttyl 03:54 -!- worker [xotad@riluv.daty.silc] has quit [off to work work work] 03:55 olleh --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 04:01:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 04:01:32 2009 04:01 hey cumalali --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 04:07:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 04:16:54 2009 04:16 -!- marco#2 [xukim@dafav.vyfe.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 04:22:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 04:24:03 2009 04:24 -!- cumalali#2 [xenib@kuhuk.duvy.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 04:29:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 04:42:16 2009 04:42 -!- cumalali [xudid@dufoz.sise.silc] has quit [] 04:46 -!- cumalali#2 [xipat@cikif.five.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 04:51:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 04:59:54 2009 04:59 -!- cumalali [xenib@kuhuk.duvy.silc] has quit [] --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 05:05:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 05:45:53 2009 05:45 hi marco, another day 05:45 beginning --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 05:51:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 05:56:13 2009 05:56 hey duane, good morning --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 06:01:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 09:52:57 2009 09:52 -!- frenzy#4 [xinis@zidaf.cuby.silc] has joined chat 09:56 -!- frenzy#4 [xinis@zidaf.cuby.silc] has quit [leaving] 09:57 -!- frenzy#4 [xikab@kamyv.rusu.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 10:02:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 10:07:01 2009 10:07 -!- duane#8 [xenog@tikez.covu.silc] has joined chat 10:09 -!- cumalali [xipat@cikif.five.silc] has quit [] --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 10:15:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 10:29:15 2009 10:29 -!- leona#5 [xuvov@lilon.sufu.silc] has joined chat 10:29 hullo people 10:29 hullo leona 10:29 hey leona 10:29 where is The Librarian?! 10:30 i miss my God... 10:30 you are in the wrong channel 10:30 oops 10:30 isn't that always the way it is 10:30 -!- leona#5 [xuvov@lilon.sufu.silc] has left chat [leona#5] --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 10:36:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 10:55:46 2009 10:55 -!- ZeroCool#2 [xikok@zylyz.gibe.silc] has joined chat 10:55 AAA! 10:57 -!- ZeroCool#2 [xikok@zylyz.gibe.silc] has left chat [ZeroCool#2] --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 11:02:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 11:40:04 2009 11:40 -!- ZeroCool#2 [xikok@zylyz.gibe.silc] has joined chat 11:40 -!- ZeroCool#2 changed the topic of chat to: http://pictureisunrelated.com/ 11:44 -!- duane#8 [xenog@tikez.covu.silc] has quit [Download Pidgin: http://pidgin.im] 11:45 -!- ZeroCool#2 [xikok@zylyz.gibe.silc] has left chat [ZeroCool#2] --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 11:50:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 12:04:30 2009 12:04 -!- marco#2 [xukim@dafav.vyfe.silc] has quit [poweoff] --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 12:10:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 13:49:09 2009 13:49 I poweoff croatian for I am turning my power off? 13:54 -!- cumalali [xukec@cytab.vuda.silc] has joined chat 13:55 hello cumalali 13:58 olleh :) --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 14:03:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 14:51:06 2009 14:51 -!- rocinante#6 [xegir@napak.kyzy.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 14:56:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 15:30:08 2009 15:30 -!- marco [xeban@kynuv.raku.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Fri Jun 05 15:35:26 2009 --- Log opened Fri Jun 05 15:35:34 2009 15:35 I am at work. just finished a technical sales call. party! 15:35 party! 15:36 yep. 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--- Log closed Sat Jun 06 03:33:26 2009 --- Log opened Sat Jun 06 03:35:24 2009 03:35 -!- marco [xokil@pyzyv.sapu.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Sat Jun 06 03:40:26 2009 --- Log opened Sat Jun 06 05:00:19 2009 05:00 -!- frenzy#4 [xezef@fyzum.hoda.silc] has joined chat --- Log closed Sat Jun 06 05:05:26 2009 --- Log opened Sat Jun 06 07:05:49 2009 07:05 -!- frenzy#4 [xezef@fyzum.hoda.silc] has quit [ZZZzzz...] --- Log closed Sat Jun 06 07:11:40 2009 --- Log opened Sat Jun 06 08:53:09 2009 08:53 -!- rocinante#7 [xomip@rolyd.vima.silc] has joined chat 08:56 because everyone picks on crimethinc. 08:56 oh? picks on? 08:56 im loooking at a hand soap container right now with the crimethinc logo on it 08:57 ok? 09:00 so catssup, why do you think they are trying to destory the anarchist movement --- Log closed Sat Jun 06 09:05:40 2009 --- Log opened Sat Jun 06 09:09:01 2009 09:09 (8:57:04 AM) catsup: i suspect that crimethinc is deliberately attempting to destroy the possibilit yof an anarchist movement 09:09 why? 09:13 hold on 09:13 i'll paste 09:13 08:23 i used to think the texts were just lame but now that i am paying attention they seem deliberately debilitating 09:13 08:28 dress up the same infantile indulgence sold by consumerism as rebellion, encourage people to judge political activity by the same standards of pleasure one judges a movie, basically encourage people to destroy their own effectiveness in myriad ways 09:13 08:30 Similarly, love poses a threat to our political system, for it is difficult to convince a man who has a lot to live for in his personal relationships to be willing to fight and die for an abstraction such as the state; for that matter, it may be difficult to convince him to even pay taxes. 09:13 08:30 this is the exact opposite of truth