$ grep "nntp" \#centos |egrep -v 'joined|quit' |more
13:52 < nntp> -Hello everyone
13:35 < nntp> -doolph, it's downloadable via centOS website
13:35 < doolph> +what you mean nntp?
13:36 < nntp> -rhcs/gfs can be downloaded from centOS website. ofcoz you can install it on centOS
13:36 < donavan> nntp: needs glasses
18:50 < Dyson> +Cobra: reiserfs is great for ftp-mirrors and nntp-spools
00:04 < nntp> +hello?
00:04 < nntp> +anyone found memory leak bug in 4.3?
00:05 < nntp> +no
00:06 < nntp> +i put lighthttpd+fastcgi+ruby on a box with two AMD opteron64 and 4G memory
00:06 < donavan> nntp: what is the issue?
00:07 < nntp> +it seems the 4.3 has memory leak bug but i couldn't found clue from centOS's bug database
00:08  * donavan morbidly curious, nntp, how are diagnosing this issue?
00:08 < nntp> +after count the running process(light httpd, ruby, fcgi) 's RES value from top command , plus consider free -m 's result
00:09 < nntp> +i found there are almost 1.1GB available memory lost,
00:10 < donavan> nntp, how about you put the output of "free" into the pastebin in the /topic
00:11 < nntp> +free -m show me totaly used memory is nearly 2800MB, and buffer+ cached nearly 630MB, so the application acutally used 2800-600MB=2200MB
00:12 < nntp> +then i try to count the actually running processes one by one. But found sum is nearly 800MB. So 1.1G available memory lost
00:12 < donavan> nntp: pastebin please
00:14 < nntp> +donavan, the free -m result is here http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/IIurF216.html
00:16 < nntp> +donavan, the cat /proc/meminfo result is here http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/mXMC1n93.html
00:17 < nntp> +i've checked redhat's buzilla and centOS's bug track but failed to have a clue.  i'm pretty sure the lighthttpd & ruby i used are up to date
00:19 < donavan> nntp: I dont' see a problem, most of your space is allocated to kernel buffers/cache
00:21 < nntp> +nntp, from the free -m and /proc/meminfo, it is OK, but after caculate the processes from "top" command, you'll found actually those codes doesn't ate so much, totally they consumed are
 about 800MB.
00:25 < so_> +nntp, you are adding all the memory columns in top right?
00:31 < donavan> nntp: for amusement purposes, lets pastebin the output of this:  ' ps -eo size,comm |sort -rn |head -25 '
00:33 < nntp> +so_, yes, to track and find the problem , i added all the columns in top
00:35 < nntp> +donavan, the result is here http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/WpatKY62.html for your command
00:38 < nntp> +so_,  the problem is exactly exist because when the www load raised, the available memory consume faster and start to ate swap resource, this doesn't happy on RHEL4U5 on the other box w
ith same hardware configuration , and doesn't happen on SLES9SP3
00:38 < donavan> nntp: that preswapping under high load is a known issue
00:40 < nntp> +donavan, we have two good system with the same hardware but on RHEL4U5 and SLES9SP3. And same www load.  But they are both OK
00:40 < nntp> +sorry, U4

00:43 < nntp> +okay, i'll try to reinstall the OS on this box with RHEL4u4,  those guys really want to have "free beer" :")
00:43 < nntp> +on the code level view, centOS4.3 is exactly the same with RHEL4u3 ? ( without talk about the tradmark..logo, ...)
00:45 < nntp> +although centOS are compiled from the public source , but on the binary level,  is it possible they are very "different" ?
00:46 < nntp> +these days, i got many raised calls from our users , reported that their centOS boxes perform differnet with their original RHEL system
00:49 < nntp> +guys you've heard any utility to compare the RHEL & centOS (corresponding version/patch )  on binary level?
00:49 < nntp> +it might be interesting to disclosure how different they are
12:21 < nntp> +hello guys
12:22 < nntp> +is it possible to install the centOS on a server and finally without any X packages(KDE, GNOME.... any grahpic ), i found it is not so easy to do this during the installation
12:23 < donavan> yes nntp, do a minimal install
12:23 < orc_orc> +nntp: google would have found: http://www.owlriver.com/tips/tiny-centos/ -- remove the kdebase, and you should be set
12:23 < nntp> +even deselect X, KDE, GNOME, any graphic package from the package selection statge, finally you'll still get a system with X & KDE installed
12:24 < donavan> not true nntp, you get a system with some support libs to run the admin tools you install
12:24 < nntp> +orc_orc, i did removed the Whole X category actually.
12:24 < orc_orc> +nntp: you have not read the link, obviously,
12:24 < nntp> +orc_orc, thanks, i'll do it right now.
12:29 < nntp> +orc_orc,  the link you gave is all about the "customized" , my question are focus on "normal installing stage", i'm fully understanding that article did and i can do it too , using ks o
r customized after installation. But to a normal press-key installation , any way to do that?
12:29 < orc_orc> +nntp: no
12:29 < donavan> nntp: do a minimal install, you'll get no gui bits
12:30 < nntp> +donavan, no, gui still there even if you choose minimal install.  We gave it a try already.
12:31 < donavan> nntp: have that box handy?
12:32 < donavan> nntp: forgive me for being skeptical, but you are wrong
12:34 < nntp> +donavan, we have ordered 172 brand new server and already distributed to 70 server sites. site staff report that they can't install the centOS4.3 without X(no pxe, no post customized)
12:35 < orc_orc> +nntp: sux to be stupid, hunh?
12:35 < nntp> +we just want the server remove X, GNOME,KDE, and with web, ftp, mysql, development (four category)
12:36 < orc_orc> +nntp: then use rpm -e (whatever) and do so
12:37 < nntp> +orc_orc, each site should install the centOS by normal way. no post installation procedure allowed.
12:37 < orc_orc> +nntp: sux2be u then
12:38 < nntp> +i know it's piece of cake to install a server that without any GUI by PXE plus post installation scripts, actually we do this in our IDC.
12:39 < nntp> +but this time is different, we can only give those site staff suggestion but not command.
12:39 < Evolution> +nntp: then provide them with proper media (server-cd iso) where they cannot possibly end up with a gui environment