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Aug 05 15:53:31 * Now talking on #merge
Aug 05 15:54:27 * eggy (eggy@the.egg.man) has joined #merge
Aug 05 15:55:16 <eggy> piing
Aug 05 15:55:21 <Michael> Hey eggy
Aug 05 15:55:30 <Michael> how does what superdug said sound?
Aug 05 15:56:08 <srts> Michael: you always ignore me when I ask for NetAdmin
Aug 05 15:56:09 <srts> lol
Aug 05 15:56:36 <paige> look
Aug 05 15:56:37 <eggy> mm? I wasn't reading his comments.
Aug 05 15:56:40 <paige> there is the thing
Aug 05 15:56:53 <Michael> eggy, basically, he said that we merge
Aug 05 15:56:54 <srts> paige: I had netadmin
Aug 05 15:56:59 <srts> but the configs changed
Aug 05 15:57:03 <srts> rj failed
Aug 05 15:57:06 <paige> i cannot deal with things like glines because people cannot get along
Aug 05 15:57:28 <eggy> Look, I'm not honestly sure I want to be part of this
Aug 05 15:57:29 <srts> paige: can we deal with it if it happens?
Aug 05 15:57:39 <Michael> paige, would you like me to write up some guidelines?
Aug 05 15:57:40 <paige> there is already drama going on and there hasn't even been a merge
Aug 05 15:57:42 <Michael> for opers to floow
Aug 05 15:57:49 <Michael> *follow
Aug 05 15:57:49 <eggy> so far, its been about 24 hours, and things have gone from great -> OKAY -> bad -> WTF?!?
Aug 05 15:57:51 <srts> i dont think its nessesary
Aug 05 15:58:00 <Michael> paige, after talking to superdug
Aug 05 15:58:02 <Michael> i think it'll work out
Aug 05 15:58:08 <paige> the problem i see seems to be between michael and mac-mini
Aug 05 15:58:20 <srts> man if you were there
Aug 05 15:58:26 <srts> you would understand why
Aug 05 15:58:32 <paige> what does he have to do with anything? he is not an oper or admin here
Aug 05 15:58:32 <srts> but does it matter
Aug 05 15:58:42 <Michael> i personally don't have an issue with mac-mini
Aug 05 15:58:57 <Michael> and i'm telling the truth
Aug 05 15:58:57 <srts> Michael you did ~5mins ago
Aug 05 15:58:58 <eggy> then WTF have I been hearing about then?
Aug 05 15:59:08 <Michael> it's about him abusing others
Aug 05 15:59:10 <Michael> he never abused me
Aug 05 15:59:13 <Michael> and i never did to him either
Aug 05 15:59:21 <paige> i want a network that is for helping people with the next generation of mac relatedness
Aug 05 15:59:22 <eggy> I can't handle this wishy washy crap at all.
Aug 05 15:59:29 <eggy> ANd I don't want the "leader" to be like this
Aug 05 15:59:34 <paige> snow leopard/iphone/etc
Aug 05 15:59:35 <srts> eggy: neither can I
Aug 05 16:00:17 * eggy happens to be kind of cranky, thus a bit more blunt.
Aug 05 16:00:28 * srts <3's eggy
Aug 05 16:00:37 <eggy> To be completely honest, I was NEVER totally convinced about the whole situation
Aug 05 16:00:43 <mac-mini> srts, you <3 almost anyone :P
Aug 05 16:00:45 <paige> i do not want to be associated with channels that share warez, pirated software, apps, movies, etc
Aug 05 16:00:53 <srts> mac-mini: yep
Aug 05 16:00:56 <Michael> paige, we don't
Aug 05 16:00:59 <eggy> and I also had NO clue how many people were invovled in this
Aug 05 16:01:08 <eggy> its CRAZY how many PMs I've gotten over the past 24 hours
Aug 05 16:01:18 <paige> tell me about it eggy
Aug 05 16:01:24 <mac-mini> i havent gotten any
Aug 05 16:01:24 <mac-mini> :P
Aug 05 16:01:35 <mac-mini> well
Aug 05 16:01:37 <mac-mini> one actually
Aug 05 16:01:44 <Michael> okay can we just make a decision?
Aug 05 16:01:50 <eggy> Or how many side channels/conversations I've been pulled into.
Aug 05 16:02:03 <eggy> I agree, make the damn decision and stick to it
Aug 05 16:02:09 <srts> eggy: the last 24 hours has been, not so good
Aug 05 16:02:14 <Michael> i say yes
Aug 05 16:02:16 <srts> its usually fine
Aug 05 16:02:17 <eggy> srts, agreed
Aug 05 16:02:31 <srts> eggy, can we get a yes vote?
Aug 05 16:02:34 <srts> please :)
Aug 05 16:02:45 <eggy> Not right now you can't
Aug 05 16:02:48 <srts> awh
Aug 05 16:03:05 <paige> what can your network give to us that we do not already have?
Aug 05 16:03:09 <Michael> more users
Aug 05 16:03:20 <Michael> and potentially a well-sized network
Aug 05 16:03:21 <eggy> more users and less control :s
Aug 05 16:03:27 <eggy> my main concern atm
Aug 05 16:03:28 <Michael> same amount of control
Aug 05 16:03:39 <srts> actually, more
Aug 05 16:03:44 <srts> because more timezones
Aug 05 16:03:46 <eggy> Problem is
Aug 05 16:03:48 <srts> for opers
Aug 05 16:03:55 <eggy> I don't want fucking 10 billion network admins
Aug 05 16:04:00 <mac-mini> srts, isnt everyone in the US though?
Aug 05 16:04:03 <eggy> because of fucking 10 billion merges
Aug 05 16:04:03 <mac-mini> except for iGuru
Aug 05 16:04:05 <paige> nor do i
Aug 05 16:04:05 * srts isnt
Aug 05 16:04:12 <paige> we have 4 now
Aug 05 16:04:16 <Michael> we don't have that many netadmins
Aug 05 16:04:20 <Michael> rj, and i have netadmin
Aug 05 16:04:22 <mac-mini> Michael, lol, you have like
Aug 05 16:04:25 <mac-mini> 15 ircops
Aug 05 16:04:26 <Michael> no mac-mini
Aug 05 16:04:27 <mac-mini> :p
Aug 05 16:04:28 <Michael> we changes big time
Aug 05 16:04:29 <srts> yeah Michael, we do need to get rid of some opers
Aug 05 16:04:41 <paige> a lot of opers
Aug 05 16:04:47 <eggy> Not to mention, Michael
Aug 05 16:04:47 <srts> I say 5
Aug 05 16:04:52 <paige> or it cannot happen
Aug 05 16:04:57 <mac-mini> Michael, ill count from my last backup :p
Aug 05 16:05:10 <eggy> I hate to say it, you've been proving yourself to me over the past 24hours, and its NOT going well
Aug 05 16:05:11 <Michael> mac-mini, rj and I went through it
Aug 05 16:05:33 <Michael> yes
Aug 05 16:05:36 <Michael> some ppl need to get demoted
Aug 05 16:05:37 <Michael> like andydam
Aug 05 16:05:47 <Michael> and Beezelbub
Aug 05 16:05:50 <srts> Gravity
Aug 05 16:05:57 <Michael> no Gravity can stay
Aug 05 16:05:59 <Michael> but darkex can go
Aug 05 16:06:00 <srts> :o
Aug 05 16:06:01 <mac-mini> Michael, last config i had
Aug 05 16:06:04 <mac-mini> 17 opers
Aug 05 16:06:07 <mac-mini> O_O
Aug 05 16:06:09 <eggy> if you're going to be part of the leadership, I have to beabale to rely and TRUST you
Aug 05 16:06:12 <Michael> there wasn't 17
Aug 05 16:06:17 <Michael> that's impossible
Aug 05 16:06:18 <eggy> Right now, that's a bit hard.
Aug 05 16:06:19 <Michael> we don't even have 17 now
Aug 05 16:06:25 <mac-mini> Michael, its an old config
Aug 05 16:06:27 <mac-mini> but all i have
Aug 05 16:06:48 <Michael> I agree that we can demote people
Aug 05 16:07:01 <eggy> Now I'll shutup, cause you're busy about somethen else - but this is a BIG deal to me :s
Aug 05 16:07:03 <paige> and people will not be happy about thayt
Aug 05 16:07:11 <srts> is that the terms
Aug 05 16:07:17 <Michael> In fact i'll demote them now
Aug 05 16:07:20 <srts> less oper's then yes?
Aug 05 16:07:43 <paige> i dont know yet
Aug 05 16:07:44 <eggy> Oh, nevermind. I won't have a server, I can't say this next point :s
Aug 05 16:07:59 <srts> okay
Aug 05 16:08:02 <paige> eggy you can speak you feelings on this
Aug 05 16:08:16 <eggy> Well, what I was going to say is
Aug 05 16:08:18 <eggy> if I had a server
Aug 05 16:08:28 <eggy> Only netadmins would get olines initally on it
Aug 05 16:08:30 <Michael> well you will have services
Aug 05 16:08:37 <eggy> till the rest proved to me other wise ;)
Aug 05 16:08:46 <paige> same here
Aug 05 16:09:18 <eggy> but like I was say Michael :s
Aug 05 16:09:22 <paige> i am sure that some of your users would have a problem with pater being a globalop?
Aug 05 16:09:26 <eggy> I have to beable to trust ya, I can't atm
Aug 05 16:09:33 <Michael> well i just removed 3
Aug 05 16:09:34 <eggy> :s
Aug 05 16:10:01 <Michael> 5
Aug 05 16:10:17 <mac-mini> o_o
Aug 05 16:10:18 <eggy> And you seem to be ignoring this point enteirly :P
Aug 05 16:10:20 <eggy> I dunno why
Aug 05 16:10:26 <paige> one of my concerns atm is that if we don't merge, we may see some retaliation 
Aug 05 16:10:26 <Michael> and rehashed
Aug 05 16:10:37 <eggy> Yes, this is true
Aug 05 16:11:07 <srts> paige: from who
Aug 05 16:11:18 <eggy> My head is spinning atm
Aug 05 16:11:44 <eggy> INSANITY
Aug 05 16:11:55 <eggy> and you all need to.. FIGURE this OUT
Aug 05 16:11:57 <eggy> :D
Aug 05 16:12:09 <paige> i need to head home. i will be back in about 90 minutes
Aug 05 16:12:19 <eggy> 90? WoW :P
Aug 05 16:12:21 <paige> traffic + ferry :p
Aug 05 16:12:22 <mac-mini> O_O
Aug 05 16:12:27 <eggy> long commute :s
Aug 05 16:12:30 <eggy> hf
Aug 05 16:12:34 <paige> ferry is 40 minutes alone
Aug 05 16:12:43 <eggy> Damn
Aug 05 16:12:52 <paige> 8 miles of water to cross
Aug 05 16:13:08 <eggy> Well, get on :D
Aug 05 16:13:11 <paige> k
Aug 05 16:13:19 <paige> bbl
Aug 05 16:13:41 <eggy> so ya all
Aug 05 16:13:57 <eggy> DEAL with the ISSUES men!
Aug 05 16:14:01 <srts> heh
Aug 05 16:14:25 <eggy> and uh
Aug 05 16:14:30 <eggy> I vote for remote configs :D
Aug 05 16:14:34 <eggy> err
Aug 05 16:14:38 <eggy> remote includes ^^
Aug 05 16:15:13 <mac-mini> i agree
Aug 05 16:15:22 <eggy> and NO fucken gloablload/unload crpa
Aug 05 16:15:30 <eggy> that's /annoying/
Aug 05 16:15:37 * mac-mini blames nVidia_user!
Aug 05 16:15:44 <eggy> heh
Aug 05 18:54:55 * srts has quit (Quit: leaving)
Aug 05 19:07:44 <eggy> So, what's going down now..
Aug 05 19:08:48 <eggy> Further more, when are we actually going to DO THIS..
Aug 05 19:08:54 <mac-mini> bbl
Aug 05 21:17:08 <paige> who is awake here
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