22:01 <@Crispy> Java's not really that great.
22:02 <@tonyb> its semievil in windows
22:02 <@tonyb> mm
22:02  * tonyb hugs C
22:02 <@Crispy> They say it's object oriented, but when you have C with threads, function pointers, structs, etc., the line between OOP and otherwise is very fuzzy.
22:02 <@tonyb> sorta
22:02 <@Crispy> They say it's portable, but you have to have the JVM on every maching you run it on.  There are C compilers available for more platforms than the JVM will run on.
22:03 <@tonyb> C++ annoyed me because i couldn't get a pointer to a member function
22:03 <@Crispy> They say it's fast because it's a compiled language, but it's not.  The JVM is effectively an interpreter.
22:03 <@Crispy> The main problem with C++ is the current lack of standardization.
22:04 <@tonyb> and the fact that you cant detour a member function
22:04 <@Crispy> heh
22:04 <@tonyb> :(
22:04 <@tonyb> ya gotta detour the whole class
22:04 <@tonyb> and that gets really annoying
22:04 <@tonyb> which is why d3d hooks suck
22:05 <@Crispy> If I detour my classes, I get failed for lack of attendance.
22:05 <@Crispy> </joke>