Hi hey Burgundavia @now sydney Current time in Australia/Sydney: September 14 2006, 11:07:08 - Next meeting: Ubuntu Development Team in 5 hours 52 minutes @schedule sydney Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 14 Sep 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 19 Sep 00:00: LoCo | 19 Sep 22:00: Community Council | 20 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu | 22 Sep 01:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 27 Sep 06:00: Technical Board Hobbsee: we are meeting about the UWN hmmm. Burgundavia: cool, sorry, didnt know. i'll shut up :P hiya Burgundavia Hobbsee: oor Burgundavia failed to add it to fridge Riddell: true that. Riddell: the latter * nixternal_ grabs a soda BRB --> poningru (n=poningru@ip70-171-62-28.ga.at.cox.net) has joined #ubuntu-meeting sorry what was the gobby server? ok, gobby session up wow UWN meeting neat-o https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue14 has the IP * jsgotangco dives in I had an agenda and then I left it at work so here goes: the first thing I would like to raise is that of ending out plain text sending rather <-- slomo_ has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) we do send out plain text Burgundavia: i am going to do the additons for Kubuntu, unless of course Riddell beats me to it we have had several requests nixternal_: go ahead no problem..i am adding the stuff from the knot 3 report anyways ;) Burgundavia: request for? thoughts on process? I thought we already sent it out in plain text we stopped last week what happened last week? --> jenda (n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda) has joined #ubuntu-meeting nixternal_: screenshot of old and new gamma setup screen http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/gamma.png --> JoseStefan (i=Stealth@246sdl30m49.codetel.net.do) has joined #ubuntu-meeting WHOA --> adamant1988 (n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net) has joined #ubuntu-meeting nice oh, just a pointer to the wiki page thx Riddell ! ok, here I am... gosh you people need to keep me informed better * nixternal_ can't gobby in right now..sorry..im at class running off of a Live CD, and it says i am out of sudo apt-get spaceage ;) nixternal_ nixternal nixternal_: it will go back to the wiki in a few hours ok..cool so, back to the first question Could someone please pastebin the log of the meeting so far? i might get on here in a second Burgundavia: sending out the text rather than a link is much preferable, a link should be included of course for added image goodness the issue is processing it to nice looking text Riddell: +1 currently we have some moinism that I would like to remove the wiki text already looks decent Burgundavia: that's ten minutes work apiece, I think editing it for sanity isn't too hard before sending Or we could even set up an automatic parser. can somebody add how to do it on the the /Release page? I just need somebody to either create a process or do it auto parser? oh Burgundavia: i can do the "text" portion if need be a volunteer? jenda? Riddell? nixternal_ nixternal it is easy, plus kmail doesn't screw it up ok, nixternal_ you are one s/one/on/ kool copy, paste. easy yup Riddell ;) I want to get rid of some of the moinisms at the same time kmail controls at 76 i think..so it is safe for all clients Burgundavia: at three AM, I can't, but if it's still open tomorrow, I'll hop on it. ok, we have volunteers for that next topic: thoughts on the current layout? I like it. I want to break out the Distro specific stuff (Ubuntu, K, Edu) into the more general news, as I did with Riddell's stuff last week Burgundavia: i like the current layout...my favorite of course was the layout that mgalvin did..however you have gotten close to emulating it..so i think it is good nixternal_ nixternal nixternal_: how was mgalvins different? a link, perhaps? well, if the template hasn't changed, it is still there the template has been signifcantly edited, but his old versions are there the ones prior to 13 i believe, were just quick news blobs, which was cool...however, i think the new layout allows for "more" information to get out ok no biggy..this layout is good...the layout in between was ey any other feedback on the current layout ? can I get a link? <-- JoseStefan (i=Stealth@246sdl30m49.codetel.net.do) has left #ubuntu-meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue6 that is an old version sorry, I've been so focused on my local efforts I haven't been involved with much in the team -_- The one you have in Gobby is ok --> licio (n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio) has joined #ubuntu-meeting ok..well right now we are UWN specific, so on-topic from this point on... ok, plase provide feedback as needed ot hte marketing team next topic different people responsible for different pieces actually one quick point query about the newsletter... it's actually a newsletter right? like we send it out? adamant1988: yes, to ubuntu-news yes adamant1988 poningru: go I think the stuff for security updates, new bug fixes etc. should go in the end yes well security updates are pretty important ok... put the boring stuff smack dab in the front. the LTS stuff? more people will actually read it there. well after the in the press stuff atleast usually between releases though, there aren't that many "security" releases if i am in the right state of mind heree so, move the LTS stuff to after the in the press stuff we can put very critical bugs and stuff at the top just in case but we can put them generally near the end we don't _want_ people to read boring stuff. Burgundavia: yeah thats what I was thinking and the security stuff? jenda: unless you are hardcore, the security stuff is boring ;) The technical things that the average user does not even understand should be at the bottom. I was about to say what poningru said we add *very* ciritical stuff at the top similar to our xorg experience nixternal: it is, but don't judge my hard-core-ness ;) but those come far between jsgotangco: +1 jenda: haha yeah what jsgotangco said sounds good so move the security and updates to below in the press? * poningru nods Yes yeah poningru: can you make the edit to the template and 14? * poningru nods shouldn't we list new packages in dapper-updates too? next point: people doing stuff, assign or not? Riddell: we do or at least, we should be do people feel that the current method of everybody editing everything works, or should we impose a bit more structure on it? Burgundavia: i say we get people who want to help out and assign..in the past the "hey the marketing team has the UWN now, you can contribute" hasn't worked so good Burgundavia: that would make sense if we can make sure there is always a person who knows the stuff in question - ie. a person who watches security updates anyway is a good bet - OTOH, I"m not sure if we can do that for every section. perhaps there should be a section on community involvement? but the current team has been doing an amazing job at the same time adamant1988: yes, good idea interesting projects that are happening, ways to help out, etc. well i would say anyone diving in is a good thing, making contribution easier for new comers, but I think there should be at least 1 editorial contact who always oversees the stuff generally adamant1988: +1 --> john_little (n=john@adsl-65-69-221-68.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined #ubuntu-meeting jsgotangco: that would be me, currently Lost my net..back I have deliberately avoiding taking any title, however Burgundavia: that's fine, it doesnt need one i think, just someone looking over would be fine (title that is) That way you can emphasis community involvement and spirit through the news letter. if I say I am the "Release Manager", does that work? it does. that avoids the whole "chief editor" stuff I don't see what's wrong with chief editor Burgundavia: are you in charge of everything? so long as you reliably take care of it each week (i.e. send it out or make sure someone else it sending it out) adamant1988: mostly Burgundavia: then your title should reflect that. :) I want to make certain I am "stepping above myself" in this i think we can rely on Burgundavia taking care of it...he isn't going anywhere ;) Burgundavia: every good organization and project needs a "go to man" johnlittle john_little I do ;) But any name has the same problem. Let's just leave it at the good old meritocratic self, that whoever is at the time the person who takes care we have a UWN every now and then be the person who sends it out and thus checks it as the last... currently Corey... does that work? <-- johnlittle has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) johnlittle: you have been very active, thoughts? surely. --> tonyyarusso (n=anthony@d235-244-56.home1.cgocable.net) has joined #ubuntu-meeting I'm afraid I missed the discussion. Lost connectivity. john_little: we were discussing roles But you've been the guy getting UWN done so some kind of official maintainer/editor status is fine with me we started off with general roles, but it quickly got to me and whether I should take a formal title (I am mixed on this) Its a product and a product generally needs a lead lets make it official ok, other roles I think it is irrelevant to the UWN itself, and we might want to go back to the dilemma if we should assign roles to the sections of UWN yes, that I wouldn't mind if people said "I want to the primary editor of X" that actually sounds good but I think we should have people covering different sections of the community instead of the different sections of the UWN * nixternal_ wants to be the primary editor for Kubuntu, well secondary as Riddell would be primary hmm ok, that works * Riddell promotes nixternal_ to primary ofcourse for things like bugs/ new apps in edgy it would have to be that one person haha Riddell ;) thanks! promotions come quick around here While Riddell himself rises to the rank of 'Supreme' ;) * Rinchen laughs. Burgundavia: i can help out with the security and bug stuff as well, since that is another part of my life i guess you could say ok, that is good Xubuntu? Edubuntu? * nixternal_ points at jsgotangco w/ Edubuntu no please no haha im too busy at the moment with non-technical edubuntu work here would somebody mind creating a /Contacts page to list all these people? one of these days I will be concentrating a heck of lot more on Edubuntu sure lets leave the Xubuntu and Edubuntu stuff empty for now press coverage? john_little: you have done well on this, do you mind being the person that people contact about that? someone who subscribed to google alerts I can do that just so everyone knows..even though I am considered the "Kubuntu" guy as well as Riddell, please feel free to input information as well..we may hack it a little, but if it is relevant, i am sure it will stay john_little: +1 for press stuff absolutely, I want to be clear that these roles don't preclude anybody else editing we are more/less PoCs further thoughts on this topic? of course - these are only the people who are held guilty if the section is blank at release time.. heh Just the we probably need to reach out to the Edubuntu/Xubuntu folks and see if they want a point person for UWN hey...how about adding a riddle or hacker game to each release? see if people can crack it each week those teams are too small and busy at the moment to have point persons sudoku! haha ya..sudoku is my train game I vote for sudokus its just a few minutes of work each week. Can't hurt to ask. I don't think we need a sudoku in there, really... jenda: I was kidding :P ;) good i wasn't ;) haha Not about the community section though. ok, any further serious topics ? release days, and the latest time to have it complete? I think that would be nice to have, I would like to tell people where they can help get involved. arr? adamant1988: that is everywhere already Burgundavia: Are you going to edit the wiki to reflect this new structure? we don't need to do old work over and over and oever and over again nixternal_: so? condense it and put it in one place john_little: the new people, yes adamant1988: that horse is dead, quit beating it ;) I'mt alking about all kinds of projects, not just marketing team stuff somebody needs to create a /Contacts https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Contacts ? Burgundavia: sorry working on it mom called kool..thanks poningru poningru: thanks for everything poningru: never apologize for actually doing something :) ok, shall we wrap up this worldwind meeting and get some hacking on the UWN done? hey Burgundavia what are the release days? saturday or sunday? Saturday, 7am UTC currently (which is midnight my time) make that Sunday, 7am UTC we need to have a set schedule..just in case something comes up with anyone..we can say, here it is set in stone unless the wiki dies... grumble haha ya cool if the wiki dies in the future, maybe we can fire up a quick gobby session, or suffer through a pastebin gobby it will be A reliable release date and quick punt to the Fridge gives everyone the perception that UWN has it's act together. yes does canonical still have their servers up for gobby? I say we name nixternal wiki maintainer so when it dies we can blame him Burgundavia: sorry what was your official title again? Burgundavia: Chief Editor? im sick of maintaining the wiki Chief Editor was what I think everybody agreed on is he going with a title? ok..kool darn, there goes the Marketing Team's wiki guy... yes, I will take the title aye aye chief * Rinchen still hosts the marketing team's SOBBY server. ;p another bullet on ye olde resume +1 on Nixternal (if I get to vote) :-) whoa...+1 for what? that you get the title and the blame :-) being the wiki blame guy don't vote me any more..i have a doc freeze to contend with tonight ok, if we are done, lets move back to -marketing nixternal_: what's the freeze? last piece, I need somebody to write up the results of the meeting for the mailing list normally I would do it myself, but I am triple-booked tonight doc team has a freeze within 24 hours * jenda runs... towards bed. i have to finish release notes and knot 3 everyone seems to be busy... Give me 2 hours Nix and I'll be free to help you if you want it I'll do it then, Burgundavia jenda: thanks thx Rinchen, in 2 hours i will be home as well But give me the entire log - I came at 1:15 thank you everybody for coming out nixternal_: for all edgy docs ? the UWN rocks thanks to all of you! yes Riddell now move off the channel hahaljsdfldsjkf Thank you for setting a meeting time we could all make it to ;) <-- adamant1988 (n=adam@doc-24-206-202-2.el.wv.cebridge.net) has left #ubuntu-meeting jenda (n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("Find me in #help!") --> jenda (n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda) has joined #ubuntu-meeting :-) 5 hours until distro meeting, time to snooze aww * poningru hugs Riddell g'nite Riddell <-- nixternal_ (n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal) has left #ubuntu-meeting