=-= LetterRip has changed the topic to ``Meeting Time'' [9/17/2006 7:02 AM] -->| UnNamed (i=500@16.Red-80-32-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:02 AM] -->| karpov (n=t42p@men75-7-82-239-164-57.fbx.proxad.net) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:02 AM] ready to get rolling? [9/17/2006 7:03 AM] is it possible for images to not be 32bit and have alpha? [9/17/2006 7:03 AM] (greyscale alpha?) [9/17/2006 7:03 AM] grey+alpha is possible [9/17/2006 7:03 AM] probably, but thats not a common spec i guess [9/17/2006 7:03 AM] -->| jobbe_ (n=jobbe@vpnwww01.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:03 AM] technically [9/17/2006 7:03 AM] http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/SundayMeetingAgenda/September_17th_2006 [9/17/2006 7:03 AM] * kaito points at topic [9/17/2006 7:04 AM] Blender seems to convert data to 24/32 bit anyway [9/17/2006 7:04 AM] Agenda? [9/17/2006 7:04 AM] * kaito cheers.. no agenda, back to coding! [9/17/2006 7:04 AM] we can do that :) [9/17/2006 7:05 AM] -->| elubie (n=elubie@C49a3.c.strato-dslnet.de) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:05 AM] hows nicks patch going? [9/17/2006 7:05 AM] he was sick this week [9/17/2006 7:05 AM] so will take a bit longer [9/17/2006 7:05 AM] and there on earth is artificer! [9/17/2006 7:06 AM] * kaito was busy last week with arrangements for new appartment, will move sept 26 [9/17/2006 7:06 AM] okay - so current projects? [9/17/2006 7:06 AM] ah you found a place then! congrats [9/17/2006 7:06 AM] |<-- bendigo has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) [9/17/2006 7:07 AM] nice with view on the IJ :) [9/17/2006 7:07 AM] and maybe tracker review? [9/17/2006 7:07 AM] I dont need irc-based tracker reviews atm... i got enough :P [9/17/2006 7:07 AM] patches? [9/17/2006 7:07 AM] heh [9/17/2006 7:08 AM] note we got a bug #5000 reported! [9/17/2006 7:08 AM] definitely a milestone [9/17/2006 7:08 AM] yeeah [9/17/2006 7:08 AM] is that since the bugtracker exists? [9/17/2006 7:08 AM] yep [9/17/2006 7:08 AM] # includes patches though [9/17/2006 7:09 AM] includes all of the trackers? [9/17/2006 7:09 AM] yeah, but still :) [9/17/2006 7:09 AM] it's 5000 reports [9/17/2006 7:09 AM] okay so onto current projects? [9/17/2006 7:09 AM] =-= LetterRip has changed the topic to ``Meeting Time - 1) Current Projects'' [9/17/2006 7:09 AM] we can do that as quicky :) [9/17/2006 7:10 AM] -->| golden (n=luisdour@201.19.255.145) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:10 AM] anything new to report? [9/17/2006 7:10 AM] new project: cleanup the dev docs we got! [9/17/2006 7:10 AM] Im dabbeling with refactoring parts of the python api [9/17/2006 7:10 AM] kaito - yeah definitely [9/17/2006 7:10 AM] nobody seems to mind, so I commited but Id be happy with some peer review [9/17/2006 7:10 AM] there's half stuff in wiki and half in cms... and expired stuff, and the 'current projects' list is old, and 'open projects' and 'maintainers' and and and.... [9/17/2006 7:11 AM] aint that a nice work for our good friend LetterRip ? [9/17/2006 7:11 AM] errrr... [9/17/2006 7:11 AM] I can do some :) [9/17/2006 7:11 AM] -->| lguillaume (n=lguillau@dyn-88-121-96-27.ppp.as12876.net) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:11 AM] i noticed you've been coding even! tsk! [9/17/2006 7:11 AM] -->| ianwill (n=willian@200-153-250-155.dsl.telesp.net.br) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:11 AM] hi ianwill [9/17/2006 7:11 AM] * LetterRip denies everything [9/17/2006 7:12 AM] hi ideasman_42, hi all [9/17/2006 7:12 AM] kaito will look into it - migrate stuff off of cms [9/17/2006 7:12 AM] well; add it to the agenda as todo: "we need a person to cleanup the dev docs online" [9/17/2006 7:12 AM] yeah [9/17/2006 7:13 AM] wiki needs structured view too [9/17/2006 7:13 AM] -->| Gimble3D (n=ak@blender/support/Gimble3D) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:13 AM] and the search option of wiki sucks [9/17/2006 7:13 AM] perhaps we can ask someone to change it to google? [9/17/2006 7:13 AM] i know it requires their ads [9/17/2006 7:13 AM] but at least then you can find stuff :) [9/17/2006 7:14 AM] well, if the ads then only show on the search results... [9/17/2006 7:14 AM] to be honest i don't know [9/17/2006 7:14 AM] i dont want google ads on the website really [9/17/2006 7:14 AM] yeah [9/17/2006 7:14 AM] theyre becoming evil empire II [9/17/2006 7:14 AM] -->| blenderx (n=A@196.203.50.76) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:14 AM] heh [9/17/2006 7:15 AM] Hi! [9/17/2006 7:15 AM] mostly benevolent :) [9/17/2006 7:15 AM] however, I haven't got a BSOD from google yet [9/17/2006 7:15 AM] besides they bribe us with supporting projects :) [9/17/2006 7:15 AM] -->| slikdigit (n=bassam@blender/artist/slikdigit) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:15 AM] Iv not paied them a cent. Im happy [9/17/2006 7:15 AM] hi blenderx - meeting time [9/17/2006 7:15 AM] yep [9/17/2006 7:16 AM] ideasman_42, you've paid them with your eyeballs :) [9/17/2006 7:16 AM] <_timmeh_> kaito: i'd be happy to work on the dev docs [9/17/2006 7:16 AM] * wiki search sucks - can we use google or other search (only if ads are only on the search results...) [9/17/2006 7:16 AM] _timmeh_, that would be great [9/17/2006 7:17 AM] <_timmeh_> kaito: ive also got a custom extension i coded for bpywiki which is imo a much better search engine [9/17/2006 7:17 AM] good! the search should especially give the meeting minutes low rankings :) [9/17/2006 7:18 AM] heeh [9/17/2006 7:18 AM] the first dozens search results are always from minutes, and very useless [9/17/2006 7:18 AM] -->| halley (n=halley@ip68-14-142-248.ri.ri.cox.net) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:19 AM] <_timmeh_> yup contex search is easy enough to add in [9/17/2006 7:19 AM] |<-- devroo has left irc.freenode.net () [9/17/2006 7:19 AM] okay - so other current projects - kaito - was mentioned you found a new 'gallery owner'? [9/17/2006 7:20 AM] oh yep! groo! [9/17/2006 7:20 AM] kaito: there are a couple of search systems one can install [9/17/2006 7:20 AM] let's hope in more frequent gallery updates, then ;) [9/17/2006 7:21 AM] -->| Hos (n=cwant@d198-166-249-242.abhsia.telus.net) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:21 AM] okay - last call for current projects :) [9/17/2006 7:21 AM] -->| pidhash (n=joilnen@20150206094.user.veloxzone.com.br) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:21 AM] i also found new maintainer for tutorial section [9/17/2006 7:21 AM] kaito - are they going to maintain it on the wiki? [9/17/2006 7:22 AM] hi all [9/17/2006 7:22 AM] would be good to get as much of that stuff off the cms as possible [9/17/2006 7:22 AM] I was littl ill, but better now [9/17/2006 7:22 AM] hi pidhash :) meeting time.... [9/17/2006 7:22 AM] good to hear you are better [9/17/2006 7:23 AM] LetterRip: well, end-user pages can remain in cms [9/17/2006 7:23 AM] cms isn't going to be removed :) [9/17/2006 7:23 AM] but the manual is on the wiki now [9/17/2006 7:23 AM] but we need a more cleaner separation yes [9/17/2006 7:23 AM] kaito - well tutorials are something that is easy for everyone to update though, and new ones happen all the time [9/17/2006 7:23 AM] but okay [9/17/2006 7:23 AM] LetterRip: it's the section that also links to external tutorials [9/17/2006 7:24 AM] yeppers [9/17/2006 7:24 AM] like 'joan or arc' etc [9/17/2006 7:24 AM] joan of arc [9/17/2006 7:25 AM] so; the wiki tutorials can get linked to cms too [9/17/2006 7:25 AM] okay sounds like a good idea [9/17/2006 7:25 AM] other current projects? [9/17/2006 7:25 AM] going once... [9/17/2006 7:25 AM] twice... [9/17/2006 7:26 AM] closed.... [9/17/2006 7:26 AM] so end meeting? [9/17/2006 7:26 AM] yay! [9/17/2006 7:26 AM] heh [9/17/2006 7:26 AM] * kaito already got new assignment to work on from bassam :) [9/17/2006 7:26 AM] okay :) [9/17/2006 7:26 AM] * pidhash fast meeting [9/17/2006 7:26 AM] <_timmeh_> kaito: what do you have in mind for 'clen up' of dev wiki? [9/17/2006 7:27 AM] =-= LetterRip has changed the topic to ``http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/SundayMeetingAgenda'' [9/17/2006 7:27 AM] * pidhash something that I could to do ? [9/17/2006 7:27 AM] LetterRip: we can define the remaining 90 minutes of meeting for everyone to contemplate and do bugfixes [9/17/2006 7:27 AM] and no chatting! [9/17/2006 7:27 AM] * pidhash maybe dont talk :) [9/17/2006 7:27 AM] =-= LetterRip has changed the topic to ``Rest of Meeting - Fix Bugs and Review Patches :) http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/SundayMeetingAgenda'' [9/17/2006 7:27 AM] is the crappy search in wiki due the go button? [9/17/2006 7:28 AM] the person who fixes #5000 gets a BugFixer of the Day Award! [9/17/2006 7:28 AM] _timmeh_, migrate the rest of docs off of the cms [9/17/2006 7:28 AM] kaito: what about changing the default blend file to include noodles? [9/17/2006 7:28 AM] oooh! [9/17/2006 7:28 AM] <_timmeh_> LetterRip: oh ok, no probs there [9/17/2006 7:28 AM] last time it was just before release and you said it was not wise to change it then [9/17/2006 7:28 AM] UncleZeiv: yep, we have to start work on a new .b.blend too [9/17/2006 7:28 AM] _timmeh_, and i'm sure there is plenty of updating stuff [9/17/2006 7:28 AM] but that is first step [9/17/2006 7:29 AM] UncleZeiv: thats a target we should add to the release todo list [9/17/2006 7:29 AM] kaito: I'm happy to hear it :) [9/17/2006 7:29 AM] ianwill, any API discussion? [9/17/2006 7:29 AM] ah is a python bug too [9/17/2006 7:29 AM] * elubie was planning to update MSVC project files, there's some gameengine stuff missing and verse too [9/17/2006 7:29 AM] probably keep it short, just wondering if you want any comments [9/17/2006 7:29 AM] had any* [9/17/2006 7:29 AM] ideasman_42: guess there's no need for it here, we just inform when we have agreed on the changes [9/17/2006 7:30 AM] _timmeh_: well, there's the 'info center' in cms, and a collection of docs in wiki. someone could look at this all and try to extract structure [9/17/2006 7:30 AM] ianwill - did we pick our three review scripts? [9/17/2006 7:30 AM] obj importer [9/17/2006 7:30 AM] and the other two? [9/17/2006 7:30 AM] _timmeh_: further there's a lot of expired wiki docs (like cancelled projects) [9/17/2006 7:30 AM] if so we can review now? [9/17/2006 7:30 AM] Id be happy to [9/17/2006 7:31 AM] <_timmeh_> kaito: ye i can work on that, technically you can't delete wiki pages, but obviously we can remove the links to them [9/17/2006 7:31 AM] elubie: ooh, you got the new compu now? [9/17/2006 7:31 AM] * wavk should put his list 'o'bugs in the tracker sometime... let's get that thing to 6000! [9/17/2006 7:31 AM] _timmeh_ well an admin can [9/17/2006 7:31 AM] -->| halibut (n=foo@cpc3-lewi1-0-0-cust649.bmly.cable.ntl.com) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:31 AM] LetterRip: I made 3 suggestions, no one agreed or not yet. About review: I'd like to do this with a forum thread, so more people can help, we also need to choose where to put the new docs in the wiki, etc [9/17/2006 7:31 AM] <_timmeh_> LetterRip: i am an admin, but you can't technically remove wiki pages [9/17/2006 7:31 AM] * kaito distracts wavk with a big bowl of speculaas! [9/17/2006 7:31 AM] _timmeh_, hmm okay [9/17/2006 7:32 AM] oooh! yummy!!! chew chew chew... [9/17/2006 7:32 AM] i thought you could purge them from the database if you got low enough level [9/17/2006 7:32 AM] kaito: not yet :( was hoping for this weekend, but obviously hasn't arrived yet. But the gfx card arrived fine already, so I#m impatiently waiting :) [9/17/2006 7:32 AM] <_timmeh_> LetterRip: sure you can....but there can be some very nasty side effects if there are inter-dependencies [9/17/2006 7:33 AM] that's what the "what links here" link is for [9/17/2006 7:33 AM] -->| vpanayotov (n=vdp@213.91.154.185) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:33 AM] ic [9/17/2006 7:33 AM] I vote we purge all and add in 1 by 1 [9/17/2006 7:33 AM] <_timmeh_> LetterRip: plus wiki does parsing when a page is saved, so if it was a member of categories and such it can cause many headaches [9/17/2006 7:33 AM] but have a dir where undicieded scripts can go [9/17/2006 7:33 AM] how about today we set up the changes needed to import from the other CVS [9/17/2006 7:34 AM] LetterRip, sounds good [9/17/2006 7:34 AM] do we need Hos and jesterKings help on that? [9/17/2006 7:34 AM] _timmeh_, ah ok [9/17/2006 7:36 AM] LetterRip, probably,, Im not sure how to go about it [9/17/2006 7:37 AM] LetterRip, ideasman_42, (any other interested in managing scripts) : join #blenderpython, please [9/17/2006 7:37 AM] oh great and wise Hos [9/17/2006 7:38 AM] -->| damiles (n=damiles@87.219.90.168) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:40 AM] |<-- admix has left irc.freenode.net ("bb!") [9/17/2006 7:40 AM] |<-- bjornmose has left irc.freenode.net ("Verlassend") [9/17/2006 7:42 AM] <--| kidux has left #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:44 AM] -->| roald (n=roald@ip5452869c.speed.planet.nl) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:45 AM] |<-- roald has left irc.freenode.net (Client Quit) [9/17/2006 7:48 AM] -->| pangelo (n=jstone@88.157.48.227) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:49 AM] |<-- lguillaume has left irc.freenode.net ("Quitte") [9/17/2006 7:50 AM] |<-- brecht has left irc.freenode.net ("Leaving") [9/17/2006 7:50 AM] hey, what's up? [9/17/2006 7:51 AM] the channel is idle! [9/17/2006 7:51 AM] shhht... trying to code! [9/17/2006 7:51 AM] -->| gabio (n=Gabio@modemcable137.157-82-70.mc.videotron.ca) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 7:51 AM] :) [9/17/2006 7:52 AM] Alright, then I think I'll take the opportunity to announce that, [9/17/2006 7:52 AM] maybe we should use web-based texteditors, so everyone can peek what the devs do :) [9/17/2006 7:52 AM] ugh [9/17/2006 7:52 AM] We've been showing off the movie "Elephant Dreams" here in Tunis, [9/17/2006 7:52 AM] particles no longer follow the mesh when assigned to an armature (and the armature is animated in pose mode)? [9/17/2006 7:53 AM] Gimble3D: that's report in tracker right? [9/17/2006 7:53 AM] I looked, but didn't see it... [9/17/2006 7:53 AM] blenderx: oh, didnt know you were living in tunis? [9/17/2006 7:54 AM] ? [9/17/2006 7:54 AM] * kaito wants to know everything! [9/17/2006 7:54 AM] Well I'm from sousse actually, and I work in Tunis. Both are towns from Tunisia, [9/17/2006 7:54 AM] He's making a file on everyone ;) [9/17/2006 7:55 AM] the small little country, located at the top of Africa. [9/17/2006 7:55 AM] ok... continue the tunis story :) [9/17/2006 7:55 AM] OK :) [9/17/2006 7:56 AM] So, we celebrated today the Software Freedom Day [9/17/2006 7:57 AM] hi!, what happen? [9/17/2006 7:57 AM] and one of the activities was to playback the Elephant Dreams movie and to present [9/17/2006 7:57 AM] and describe how it was made and all. [9/17/2006 7:57 AM] You can find the program, i.e the set of the activities at: [9/17/2006 7:58 AM] http://sfdtunisia.freehostia.com/programme.html [9/17/2006 7:58 AM] it's all in french, but it should really easy to read/understand. [9/17/2006 7:59 AM] The whole thing is an initiative from the SFD, http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ [9/17/2006 8:02 AM] cool. it's still going on, you're there now? [9/17/2006 8:02 AM] I guess, that the first "open source" movie was well received, world-wide! [9/17/2006 8:02 AM] No, I'm in my home town, Sousse, currently, but I got a couple of friends there [9/17/2006 8:03 AM] tell the audience that Proog in ED represents actually the American government! (i bet they love that there! :) [9/17/2006 8:03 AM] that I will meet tomorrow. They'll tell me everything. [9/17/2006 8:03 AM] -->| motorsep (n=motorsep@ppp-70-244-115-104.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 8:03 AM] hi all [9/17/2006 8:03 AM] RCRuiz, hola [9/17/2006 8:03 AM] kaito, :) OK. [9/17/2006 8:04 AM] good reason to watch movie a fifth time! [9/17/2006 8:04 AM] :) [9/17/2006 8:04 AM] -->| JoOngle (n=sketchpa@5634bea9.rev.stofanet.dk) has joined #blendercoders [9/17/2006 8:05 AM] hey, haito, I heard that the first europeen HD-DVD was actually a release of ED... [9/17/2006 8:05 AM] is that right? [9/17/2006 8:05 AM] yes [9/17/2006 8:05 AM] we didnt do that :) [9/17/2006 8:05 AM] thats how open movies work well eh! [9/17/2006 8:06 AM] pretty cool! [9/17/2006 8:07 AM] http://www.sonic.com/about/press/news/2006/09/europeanHD.aspx [9/17/2006 8:07 AM] kaito - they have plans for blue-ray version also [9/17/2006 8:07 AM] seems like it yes [9/17/2006 8:07 AM] Cool :) [9/17/2006 8:07 AM] it will be the least sold HD-DVD in the history of europe though ;) [9/17/2006 8:07 AM] I got my friends asking me to go with them and to present Blender, since I worked on the GUI source code and all [9/17/2006 8:07 AM] not cool [9/17/2006 8:08 AM] * kaito kicks eyecandy [9/17/2006 8:08 AM]