(15:34:18) HILLIS1701: hello dear...
(15:35:21) goeagle15: Heya.
(15:35:35) HILLIS1701: can I start bitching now?  LOL
(15:36:11) goeagle15: Uh, sure?
(15:36:35) HILLIS1701: just responded to Larry.. basically said "NO"
(15:36:55) goeagle15: Ok.
(15:37:05) HILLIS1701: he can help me upgrade the Columbus design, or go away
(15:37:32) goeagle15: It'd be better to talk to him about this than me.
(15:38:06) HILLIS1701: well, I had hoped not to be screwed with about this
(15:38:33) goeagle15: I'm sure Larry has no intention of screwing anyone over.
(15:39:11) HILLIS1701: perhaps.. but the concept of "leaving well enough alone" is a great idea too
(15:39:52) goeagle15: This is part of Larry's job as EDir.
(15:40:07) HILLIS1701: sorry if I sound so bitchy.. I just saw this coming
(15:40:20) goeagle15: Well, it's something that's needed to be done for a while.
(15:40:59) HILLIS1701: if he changes the class, he can have the ship
(15:42:33) goeagle15: The class change is, first of all, done by the President.
(15:42:48) goeagle15: A case could be made that the ship doesn't exist, since it doesn't meet the requirements of FCOMM right now.
(15:42:58) goeagle15: Nor has it met them since the Columbus class was decommissioned.
(15:43:52) HILLIS1701: it was not decommissioned
(15:44:25) goeagle15: Ok, no longer made a valid class.
(15:45:08) HILLIS1701: so.. this has already been decided?
(15:45:46) goeagle15: My position as President is to support Larry in making sure that all of the ships in STF have a valid class.
(15:46:00) goeagle15: And ensuring that the ones that don't have a class to change to that's basically the same thing.
(15:46:45) HILLIS1701: OR.. it is your job to introduce a bit of common sense... makes no sense messing up a LONG time RP environment to feed Larry's nitpicky ways
(15:46:56) goeagle15: Bob, this has nothing to do with Larry personally.
(15:47:10) HILLIS1701: but you assured me this would NOT happen
(15:47:22) goeagle15: I told you that I'd help you rewrite the Columbus specs if you wanted.
(15:47:30) goeagle15: I'm still happy to help you do that.
(15:48:06) HILLIS1701: can't Larry take the posted design for it and put in in the desired format?
(15:48:14) goeagle15: Not without Jeff Field's approval.
(15:48:26) goeagle15: How does this mess up a long time RP environment?
(15:48:48) HILLIS1701: we use the Sffina Kataana alot... it is quite unique to our design
(15:49:04) HILLIS1701: if nothing was every changed, what harm would come to the club?
(15:49:08) HILLIS1701: none...
(15:49:18) goeagle15: For your answer to that, please read Larry's e-mail.
(15:49:29) HILLIS1701: I read it.. still have the same question
(15:49:38) HILLIS1701: no newbie has peed on himself yet
(15:50:33) goeagle15: Actually, many have.
(15:50:41) goeagle15: Not specific to the Columbus, but it is an issue.
(15:50:55) goeagle15: The Viking-class has a Captain's Yacht that has comparable specs to your Sffina Kataana.
(15:51:12) HILLIS1701: well, everyone else that has come aboard clearly understood the specs and began playing
(15:51:24) goeagle15: As does the Chimera.
(15:51:40) goeagle15: The Chimera actually has a better armed Captain's Yacht than your Sffina Kataana.
(15:51:51) HILLIS1701: well, I expressed my concerns about this... I truly believed it was a moot issue
(15:52:07) goeagle15: Do you have any other specific concerns that I can help you with?
(15:52:21) HILLIS1701: nope.. that's the only one.. LOL
(15:52:32) goeagle15: Well, I just showed you how there are alternatives to the Sffina Kataana.
(15:52:34) HILLIS1701: otherwise, I stay under the radar and role play
(15:52:38) goeagle15: How else would changing specs be a big issue?
(15:53:46) HILLIS1701: because it's just silly
(15:53:54) HILLIS1701: and we really like our ship the way it is
(15:54:02) goeagle15: Nothing about your ship "the way it is" would change, Bob.
(15:54:07) goeagle15: You don't even have to have it mentioned.
(15:54:15) HILLIS1701: Monty has an exploding bridge.. it is part of its character
(15:54:18) goeagle15: All that happens is that you get a little -A on the end of the registry number.
(15:54:24) goeagle15: Yes, and the Monty has changed ship classes numerous times.
(15:54:29) goeagle15: The exploding bridge hasn't changed.
(15:55:14) HILLIS1701: that character trait can move from class to class
(15:55:24) goeagle15: What character trait does the Columbus have that can't?
(15:55:45) goeagle15: You can name your Captain's Yacht the Sffina Kataana in honor of the Columbus-class spec.
(15:56:17) HILLIS1701: I very rarely let pride cloud my judgement..
(15:56:27) HILLIS1701: but I truly feel wronged here...
(15:56:36) HILLIS1701: this was NOT suppose to happen
(15:56:41) goeagle15: Well, if you could help me understand what the problem is, we can try to work through it.
(15:57:00) goeagle15: I just get the feeling that this is being made out to be a bigger deal than it truly is.
(15:57:54) goeagle15: Unfortunately, something *has* to be done about it, because the Columbus doesn't meet the standards for a RP environment without a class.
(15:58:09) goeagle15: I don't want to see anything happen to the ship, and I'm sure you don't either, which is why it's necessary to get this worked out.
(15:58:39) HILLIS1701: perhaps.. but that design has served us well for about 10 years.. the club has not fallen apart over it
(15:59:01) HILLIS1701: or nearly 10 years.. LOL
(15:59:05) goeagle15: Other ships *have* fallen apart over it.
(15:59:22) goeagle15: I can't apply rules depending on whether or not I like the CO or like the ship or whatever.
(15:59:22) HILLIS1701: hmm.. we are a good exception then.. LOL
(15:59:37) HILLIS1701: perhaps a grandfather clause
(15:59:44) goeagle15: No.
(15:59:48) goeagle15: Bob, you need a new ship class.
(15:59:50) goeagle15: That's the end.
(16:00:05) goeagle15: Larry is completely open and willing to helping you do this the best way possible for the ship.
(16:00:12) goeagle15: Please take advantage of that resource.