19:00	Shadow14l	Remember the whole ordeal several months ago with Ezza?
19:00	FearGorm	?
19:00	FearGorm	what exactly
19:01	Shadow14l	A few parts about the arguing, perhaps the KotH's
19:01	Shadow14l	The whole story
19:01	FearGorm	mmhmm
19:01	Shadow14l	A different perspective would be nice.
19:02	FearGorm	I mean
19:02	FearGorm	I became a mod
19:02	FearGorm	I created a koth that was open to everyone and well publicized
19:02	FearGorm	and that's it I guess
19:02	Shadow14l	You started the first KotH's?
19:02	FearGorm	nope
19:03	Shadow14l	Who did, exactly?
19:03	FearGorm	there were people doing KOTH on mumble before me, before ezza
19:03	FearGorm	I think maybe Tuna, but who cares really
19:03	Shadow14l	Yeah
19:03	Shadow14l	wonder where that all sob went 
19:03	FearGorm	imo the existence of one event doesnt exclude others
19:03	FearGorm	so the idea of "stealing" an event is ludicrous
19:04	FearGorm	particularly since I started it completely independently of anyone
19:04	FearGorm	and didnt tell anyone to do it in particular
19:04	FearGorm	ezza has been pretty hostile ever since
19:04	Shadow14l	That's his personality
19:04	FearGorm	at first it started at jokes about me being a mod
19:04	FearGorm	then it turned to downright hostility
19:04	FearGorm	I try to just ignore it
19:04	FearGorm	it's not worth it
19:04	Shadow14l	You should ignore it.
19:05	FearGorm	I try to haha
19:06	Shadow14l	He says to that everyone now, it's almost an invitation to be his friend now
19:06	Shadow14l	pretty much
19:06	Shadow14l	You should be flattered
19:06	FearGorm	=P strange way of expressing it
19:06	FearGorm	he's OK when he's not being hostile and negative
19:06	Shadow14l	Everyone is different
19:06	FearGorm	can be very funny
19:06	FearGorm	but other times it's too much to deal with
19:06	Shadow14l	He has some pretty good stories
19:06	FearGorm	mmhmm
19:06	Shadow14l	and you know they're true because they're fuckin' hilarious
19:07	Shadow14l	The only thing he really didn't like was the fact that he didn't get "credit", not karma, but just a notion that he helped a little
19:08	Shadow14l	You should have seen him. He was doing the weekly coaching for r/starcraft2_class for months
19:08	FearGorm	I don't really understand that though
19:08	FearGorm	seeing as I started something completely separate
19:09	FearGorm	I mean, did he want credit for the idea of a KOTH?
19:09	FearGorm	KOTH exists in ever game
19:09	FearGorm	every*
19:09	Shadow14l	I think he wanted credit for all the koths he did start, not the ones that were already there, but just that he was doing quite a few
19:10	FearGorm	I mean if he just wanted acknowledgement that he was doing koth as well he could have asked 
19:10	FearGorm	I wouldn't have had any problem
19:10	FearGorm	but I can't read minds
19:11	Shadow14l	I so do hope that xD
19:12	Shadow14l	He just felt that all the work he put in, was just stolen from him, not ideas necessarily
19:12	FearGorm	Well if he felt that way, he could have told me and told me how I could help
19:12	FearGorm	but I think he viewed it as competition
19:13	FearGorm	which I think is silly
19:14	Shadow14l	He didn't view it as a competition, he just felt like he had lost a lot of credit and respect
19:14	FearGorm	I think he should question why that is
19:14	FearGorm	he drives a lot of people away from himself b being aggressive
19:15	FearGorm	I think he might think that the reason a lot of his friends no longer frequent mumble and dont hang out with him
19:15	FearGorm	is because I started events
19:15	FearGorm	which is abbbbbsurd
19:15	Shadow14l	I don't think that, and I'm fairly sure he doesn't either
19:15	Shadow14l	If you're referring to GT
19:15	Shadow14l	especially
19:15	FearGorm	idk what happened with GT
19:16	FearGorm	i stopped hanging out there before that saga
19:16	Shadow14l	I'll give you a breakdown
19:16	Shadow14l	the main frequenters in the mumble
19:16	Shadow14l	decided to off of CrazyPyro's idea for GosuTrolling.com
19:16	Shadow14l	Evoli thought it would be funny and bought that website right on the spot
19:17	Shadow14l	Less than a month later Evoli, Navi, Cheticus, joined the mumble server Monika bought them
19:17	Shadow14l	and the few others
19:17	Shadow14l	as well
19:18	Shadow14l	But you should see the stupid shit Ezza has to deal with, in real life, it's fuckin' hilarious and awful at the same time.
19:19	FearGorm	sure
19:19	FearGorm	I don't know his IRL situation
19:19	FearGorm	but nothing warrants the way he trats others
19:19	FearGorm	I mean even today I saw a post where he called me a fucktard
19:19	FearGorm	i havent spoken to the guy in over half a year
19:19	FearGorm	wut
19:21	Shadow14l	That's what can result from a misunderstanding
19:22	FearGorm	maybe, but that's never a mature way to address it
19:22	Shadow14l	A useless and unnecessary year long hatred for nothing
19:22	FearGorm	mmhmm
19:22	Shadow14l	Maturity is a delicate word here
19:22	FearGorm	yeah
19:23	Shadow14l	Remember, everyone does bad things, and everyone does stupid shit as well
19:23	FearGorm	well I'm sorry if it seemed like I willfully tried to claim credit or steal anything
19:23	FearGorm	and I'm sorry how things turned out
19:23	FearGorm	at this point I'm really exhausted of it
19:23	FearGorm	and want the sniping to stop
19:24	FearGorm	I acknowledge that I should have been more proactive as far as understanding his side of the issue
19:24	FearGorm	my bad
19:24	Shadow14l	I'm not saying it's entirely your fault, it was both of yours's
19:25	Shadow14l	I'm not sure if I'll be able to change his mind, but that doesn't mean people don't change
19:26	FearGorm	well I'm willing to put this behind us
19:27	FearGorm	it's fine if you tell him this btw
19:27	Shadow14l	I just felt like it was easier talking to you first, because that way I could fill in the holes as I went, rather than trying to talk to him with none of your perspective
19:28	Shadow14l	Also the stupid shit with "blackmailing" crazypyro and Coral temp "banning" us from the Mumble due to Stackr... I hope none of that is going on anymore.
19:29	Shadow14l	Anyways it's birthday in a few days, hopefully I can help end this by then.
19:29	FearGorm	thanks for asking me about my side 
19:30	Shadow14l	I always try and respect both parties
19:30	Shadow14l	But you've got to admit, the 60 downvotes he got from that post was pretty funny
19:31	FearGorm	lol
19:31	FearGorm	it was pretty brusque
19:31	FearGorm	I agree that the subreddit is terrible now though
19:31	Shadow14l	Unfortunately
19:31	FearGorm	even I though I don't think mods should be cleaning up stupid posts
19:31	FearGorm	the quality is definitely bad
19:32	Shadow14l	I think it depends on the scope
19:32	Shadow14l	But I don't think Shade deserves what he told me as: "I wish I wasn't being publicly hung right now"
19:32	Shadow14l	That must be bad enough beyond most things one person can say
19:32	FearGorm	reddit loves hyperbole
19:33	Shadow14l	Especailly since either way he was only doing what he thought was right in his mind, whether or not it was
19:33	FearGorm	I think what he has done is wrong
19:33	FearGorm	but the rhetoric is not
19:33	FearGorm	it's mob mentality
19:33	FearGorm	its animalistic
19:33	Shadow14l	Which is one of the horrible things about Reddit
19:33	FearGorm	but thats reddit
19:33	FearGorm	yup :C
19:33	Shadow14l	I also heard that English isn't his first language
19:34	Shadow14l	So it's even a much more rough ride if that's true
19:34	FearGorm	yeah he's foreign
19:36	Shadow14l	poor guy
19:36	Shadow14l	Although, was it really his decision to introduce diggity and that other guy as mods as well?
19:38	FearGorm	I have no clue about that
19:38	FearGorm	i havent been involved since I voluntarily bowed out
19:39	Shadow14l	The best way to dodge a shitfest is to leave it
19:40	FearGorm	yeah
19:42	FearGorm	anyway i gtg but yeah tell Ezza sorry for any offense and Id like to bury the hatchet