01:06:05, Monologue: Josh, definition of mental illness?
01:06:10, TweakerbytheSpeaker: uhm
01:06:35, TweakerbytheSpeaker: To me... a mental illness
01:06:40, TweakerbytheSpeaker: is something relatively permanent..
01:06:47, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Like, schizophrenia...
01:06:49, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Or....
01:06:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Autism...
01:07:02, Monologue: You're giving examples, not definitions
01:07:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Herp derp
01:07:06, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Its true though
01:07:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I type 30 minutes shy of the world record.
01:07:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: so lick my balls.
01:07:18, Monologue: DEFINE it
01:07:25, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Define it?
01:07:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Ok lets see....
01:07:33, TweakerbytheSpeaker: No, I'm talking about typing tests.
01:07:38, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I can read off a screen and type 135-140
01:07:39, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Anyways.
01:08:01, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I guess I can't monologue.
01:08:16, Monologue: If you cannot define something, then you are in no place to argue that something is or is not something else.
01:08:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Ok
01:08:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I can
01:08:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Let me try again
01:09:34, TweakerbytheSpeaker: society defines Mental illness as when someones brain functions in a way thats completly irregular and detrimental to themselves & everyone around them.
01:09:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Stemming from an unchangable pre-existing condition?
01:10:06, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Oh
01:10:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: My definition
01:10:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Screws loose.
01:10:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: :P
01:10:36, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I can't type out a definition
01:10:38, TweakerbytheSpeaker: its a very complicated manner
01:10:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Its easier to give examples.
01:10:45, Monologue: So long as you accept that prior definition, which you will be bound by for the rest of the argument, then it is fine.
01:10:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes, I accept that definition.
01:11:01, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I don't think depression is mental illness.
01:11:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Nor ADD/ADHD.
01:11:14, Monologue: Now define addiction.
01:11:15, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I agree that depression is a problem, and sometimes a severe problem.
01:11:17, TweakerbytheSpeaker: But its also very normal.
01:11:28, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Addicton is when you have an extreme attachment to something.
01:11:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Or someone?
01:11:39, TweakerbytheSpeaker: A severe attachment.
01:11:48, TweakerbytheSpeaker: And...
01:11:52, TweakerbytheSpeaker: the persons general wellness
01:11:55, Monologue: Can extreme attachment to a certain substance be considered irregular?
01:12:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Well, addiction in general is irregular.
01:12:14, Monologue: Can it be considered detrimental?
01:12:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: WEll, the person who is addicted might not consider it detrimental.
01:12:36, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Though others could say that - but others could say that about anything.
01:12:40, TweakerbytheSpeaker: so its subjective.
01:12:56, Monologue: But are there possible objective cases in which a sane person cannot deny that it is detrimental?
01:13:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes, probably.
01:13:17, TweakerbytheSpeaker: No, i didn't say that.
01:13:25, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Monologue understood.
01:13:37, TweakerbytheSpeaker: @monologue: Yes probably.
01:13:49, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Nah uh
01:13:54, TweakerbytheSpeaker: though Im excite.
01:13:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: d
01:13:58, TweakerbytheSpeaker: !
01:14:02, TweakerbytheSpeaker: For britania.
01:14:18, Monologue: Therefore, by predicate logic, since addiction is irregular and can be considered detrimental in some cases, then certain cases of addiction can therefore be considered a mental illness by your definition
01:14:34, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Well
01:14:35, TweakerbytheSpeaker: keep in mind
01:14:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: my definition of mental illness included a pre-existing condition
01:14:48, TweakerbytheSpeaker: that we have no control over.
01:14:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: since addiction is something we DO have control over.
01:15:03, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I'd say addiction is not a mental illness
01:15:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: under any circumstance.
01:15:17, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Peace
01:15:20, Monologue: No, it states that it is the pre-existing condition that one has no control over, not the addiction
01:15:39, TweakerbytheSpeaker: It being...?
01:15:49, Monologue: Your definition.
01:15:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Of mental illness?
01:15:58, Monologue: Your definition stated that one has no control over the pre-existing condition
01:16:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Correct.
01:16:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ADdiction is something we do have contro lover.
01:16:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: control over*
01:16:22, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Therefore addicton cannot be considered mental illness
01:16:24, TweakerbytheSpeaker: under any circumstance.
01:16:25, Monologue: Addiction is not part of the pre-existing condition, however, and thus whether or not one has control over it is moot
01:16:31, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ok?
01:16:35, TweakerbytheSpeaker: But your question was
01:16:41, TweakerbytheSpeaker: if a certain form of addiction
01:16:43, Monologue: Addiction is not a pre-existing condition
01:16:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: could be considered a mental illness..
01:16:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: And I'm saying no, because addiction is not pre-existing.
01:16:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: exactly.
01:17:47, Monologue: Addiction is what is being considered a mental illnessl; it is not part of the pre-existing condition, can be considered irregular and can also be considered detrimental, therefore it can be considered a mental illness
01:18:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Wut
01:18:30, TweakerbytheSpeaker: What is the pre-existing condition
01:18:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: in this hypothetical?
01:18:47, TweakerbytheSpeaker: You asked.. "then certain cases of addiction can therefore be considered a mental illness by your definition"
01:19:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I said no, because addiction does not imply certain pre-existing conditions
01:19:22, TweakerbytheSpeaker: your telling me that's irrelevent?
01:19:26, Monologue: Wait.
01:19:33, Monologue: You changed your definition, didn't you?
01:19:38, TweakerbytheSpeaker: No.
01:19:58, TweakerbytheSpeaker: A pre-existing condition meaning
01:20:04, TweakerbytheSpeaker: SOmething you are either born with, or have no control over
01:20:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Like, for example
01:20:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Autistic kids might have weird addictions
01:20:26, TweakerbytheSpeaker: the addictions have nothing to do with the illness
01:20:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: but the autism does.
01:20:34, TweakerbytheSpeaker: which can cause addictions.
01:20:39, Monologue: You said that the pre-existing condition is unchangable, NOT uncontrollable
01:20:51, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes.. Unchangable.
01:20:53, Monologue: "society defines Mental illness as when someones brain functions in a way thats completly irregular and detrimental to themselves & everyone around them." and "Stemming from an unchangable pre-existing condition?“
01:21:00, TweakerbytheSpeaker: yes.
01:21:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: correct.
01:21:33, TweakerbytheSpeaker: yes.
01:21:52, TweakerbytheSpeaker: monologue you asked.. "then certain cases of addiction can therefore be considered a mental illness by your definition"
01:21:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: were going in circles here.
01:22:00, TweakerbytheSpeaker: what are u trying to say?
01:22:08, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Addiction cannot be considered a mental illness by my definition.
01:22:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Because addiction is not unchangable.
01:22:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Simple shhh
01:23:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: addiction is something you can overpower
01:23:10, TweakerbytheSpeaker: and therefore, not a mental illness.
01:23:12, TweakerbytheSpeaker: we clear?
01:23:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Because we all have the capacity to end addicton.
01:23:37, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Even if done through the action of others.
01:23:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes.
01:23:46, TweakerbytheSpeaker: For example
01:23:49, TweakerbytheSpeaker: If your addicted to something
01:23:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: and I take it away from you.
01:23:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: and you cannot reach it, no matter how hard you try
01:24:03, TweakerbytheSpeaker: your addiction will eventually end.
01:24:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: autism, cannot end.
01:24:11, TweakerbytheSpeaker: It cannot be taken away.
01:24:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: its a mental illness.
01:24:17, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ITs permanent.
01:24:19, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Its unchangable.
01:24:48, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Not if i strapped u down.
01:24:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: This is an extreme hypothetical.
01:24:58, TweakerbytheSpeaker: But
01:25:03, Monologue: So. Your definition states that a mental illness cannot be developed, merely discovered or diagnosed.
01:25:15, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ......
01:25:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: what!?
01:25:17, TweakerbytheSpeaker: no
01:25:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: i said 50 times that its PRE-EXISTING.
01:25:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Its Obvious.
01:25:35, TweakerbytheSpeaker: a true mental illness is obvious
01:25:41, Monologue: It is pre-existing, therefore cannot be acquired
01:25:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: its not something people go to there doctors when they are 17 years old
01:25:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: and the doctor says
01:25:50, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "oh  yea, u have X"
01:25:52, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "let me give u Y"
01:26:18, TweakerbytheSpeaker: alzheimers lies dormant.
01:26:37, TweakerbytheSpeaker: just because its not active doesn't mean it comes from nowhere.
01:27:02, TweakerbytheSpeaker: WEll, certain traumatic events can trigger "mental llness" but usaully these things can be treated.
01:27:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: so they are not really mental illness.
01:27:08, TweakerbytheSpeaker: just severe problems.
01:27:14, TweakerbytheSpeaker: WE can, to an extent.
01:27:17, TweakerbytheSpeaker: its genectic.
01:27:19, TweakerbytheSpeaker: genetic*
01:27:22, TweakerbytheSpeaker: we can test to see the likelyness
01:27:24, TweakerbytheSpeaker: of developing alzheimers
01:27:28, TweakerbytheSpeaker: in families where it existed
01:27:38, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ...
01:27:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ok?
01:27:57, TweakerbytheSpeaker: point being?
01:28:04, TweakerbytheSpeaker: science isn't super advanced?
01:28:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: i'm sorry?
01:28:19, TweakerbytheSpeaker: yes... it does?
01:28:26, TweakerbytheSpeaker: It just shows we don't have science
01:28:28, TweakerbytheSpeaker: that can tell 100%
01:28:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: in all cases.
01:28:37, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Assuming genetics were that simple...
01:29:02, TweakerbytheSpeaker: What?
01:29:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: This is just a silly tangent
01:29:06, TweakerbytheSpeaker: that had nothing to do
01:29:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: with anything
01:29:40, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Pre-existing doesnt mean from birth.
01:29:45, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Do you have control over developping alzheimers
01:29:47, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ???
01:29:49, TweakerbytheSpeaker: No.
01:29:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Its unchangable.
01:29:57, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Well
01:30:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: there might be certain... dietary.. or lifestyle choices...
01:30:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: that can reduce the chances of developping it....
01:30:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: but still.
01:30:19, Monologue: STEMMING from an unchangable pre-existing condition
01:30:22, TweakerbytheSpeaker: The point is that its not something you can actively get rid of.
01:30:30, TweakerbytheSpeaker: once u have it.
01:30:45, Monologue: The thing that you can't change comes BEFORE the mental illness
01:30:51, Monologue: The mental illness isn't that which is unchangable
01:30:57, Monologue: It's the condition that causes it
01:31:12, TweakerbytheSpeaker: What
01:31:12, TweakerbytheSpeaker: dude
01:31:27, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Depression isn't a mental illness
01:31:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: get over it
01:31:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: lol
01:31:34, Monologue: That isn't the point here
01:31:37, Monologue: Depression was a tangent
01:31:39, TweakerbytheSpeaker: That WAS the point
01:31:41, TweakerbytheSpeaker: no
01:31:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: the entire main point
01:31:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: was depression
01:31:53, Monologue: Do you want me to paste the entire chat log for you?
01:31:56, TweakerbytheSpeaker: now your going off semantics off my 5-second cooked up personal definition of illness
01:31:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: obviously It has some holes.
01:32:09, Monologue: I did warn you that you would be bound by it throughout this argument
01:32:13, Monologue: You accepted
01:32:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: thats fine
01:32:19, TweakerbytheSpeaker: but they are talking about
01:32:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: alzheimers and such
01:32:48, TweakerbytheSpeaker: It does fit
01:32:50, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Because its not changable.
01:32:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: you cant get rid of it once u have it
01:32:58, Monologue: What is not changable?
01:32:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: if u can, then its not mental illness.
01:33:02, Monologue: The mental illness?
01:33:03, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes
01:33:08, Monologue: That's not part of your definition
01:33:11, TweakerbytheSpeaker: YES IT WAS
01:33:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: THAT WAS
01:33:13, Monologue: Your definition is that the cause is unchangable
01:33:15, TweakerbytheSpeaker: THE MAIN POINT
01:33:17, Monologue: Not the illness itself
01:33:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: No!
01:33:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: the illness itself
01:33:28, TweakerbytheSpeaker: the cause is totally changable
01:33:44, Monologue: You said that it stems from an unchangable pre-existing condition, not that it is an unchangable pre-existing condition
01:33:46, TweakerbytheSpeaker: A diseass?
01:33:51, TweakerbytheSpeaker: disease*
01:34:01, TweakerbytheSpeaker: you develop it, it gets you sick, and its curable.
01:34:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: alzheimers is a disease, not a mental illness.
01:34:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: we just don't have a cure for it.
01:34:19, TweakerbytheSpeaker: There.
01:34:37, TweakerbytheSpeaker: No
01:34:51, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes, it dose monologue
01:34:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: but the condition is unchangable
01:34:56, TweakerbytheSpeaker: was my entire point
01:35:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: i was using depression as an example of something that ISNT a mental illness
01:35:11, TweakerbytheSpeaker: because it IS changable.
01:35:12, Monologue: i.e., that which causes the mental illness is unchangable, not the mental illness itself
01:35:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: no, that was my whole point, sorry if you didnt understand that
01:35:24, Monologue: Whether or not the mental illness is unchangable is therefore irrelevant
01:35:28, TweakerbytheSpeaker: no it isn't.
01:35:47, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Mental illness is not something you have control over.
01:35:47, TweakerbytheSpeaker: /threa
01:35:48, TweakerbytheSpeaker: d
01:35:57, TweakerbytheSpeaker: not really
01:35:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Alzheimers
01:36:03, TweakerbytheSpeaker: is a disease.
01:36:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I NEVER CHANGED IT
01:36:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ONCE
01:36:06, TweakerbytheSpeaker: FUCKING PASTE
01:36:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: WHEN I WROTE
01:36:08, TweakerbytheSpeaker: right nwo
01:36:18, Monologue: Your definition?
01:36:19, TweakerbytheSpeaker: i wrote it wice
01:36:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: yes
01:36:22, TweakerbytheSpeaker: MY defintion
01:36:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: not society
01:36:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: past eit
01:36:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: read it and weep.
01:36:35, Monologue: "society defines Mental illness as when someones brain functions in a way thats completly irregular and detrimental to themselves & everyone around them."
01:36:37, TweakerbytheSpeaker: NO
01:36:39, TweakerbytheSpeaker: tghat says SOCEITY
01:36:40, Monologue: "Stemming from an unchangable pre-existing condition?"
01:36:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: see how the first word
01:36:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: is "society"
01:36:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: paste MY definition
01:36:56, TweakerbytheSpeaker: since your question was
01:36:58, Monologue: "So long as you accept that prior definition, which you will be bound by for the rest of the argument, then it is fine."
01:37:02, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "what is your definition"
01:37:06, TweakerbytheSpeaker: monologue
01:37:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: u are skipping lines
01:37:19, TweakerbytheSpeaker: paste what i wrote as my definition
01:37:21, Monologue: Your definition was "Screws loose"
01:37:26, TweakerbytheSpeaker: no
01:37:27, TweakerbytheSpeaker: after that
01:37:40, Monologue: Which one?
01:37:50, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes
01:37:52, TweakerbytheSpeaker: i you can change it
01:37:54, TweakerbytheSpeaker: its not a mental illness.
01:38:06, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Lets just go by examples
01:38:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Autism
01:38:10, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Mental illness.
01:38:27, TweakerbytheSpeaker: No.
01:38:34, Monologue: But your accepted definition merely states that a mental illness is simply caused by an unchangable pre-existing condition
01:38:52, Monologue: You didn't say anything about the mental illness itself being changable
01:38:57, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Alzheimers is a disease.
01:39:08, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I don't see the point of any of this
01:39:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: My whole arugment was that depression was not a mental illness.
01:39:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: If you guys want to paste your definitino of mental illness
01:39:24, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I can find 1000 holes in it too
01:39:34, Monologue: No, the original argument was that addiction is a mental illness
01:39:36, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ITs not my fault mental illness is an incoherent concept.
01:39:38, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes.
01:39:41, TweakerbytheSpeaker: addiction is NOt mental illness.
01:39:43, Monologue: You started arguing depression as a tangent
01:39:49, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ok
01:39:50, TweakerbytheSpeaker: SO lets go back
01:39:51, TweakerbytheSpeaker: to the main point
01:39:56, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Addiction is something you have control over.
01:40:04, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Therefore, not a mental illness..
01:40:06, Monologue: You have no control over what causes it, though
01:40:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes, you do
01:40:27, Monologue: It is whether or not you can control the cause that defines a mental illness, not whether the addiction itself can be controlled
01:40:31, TweakerbytheSpeaker: what takes away ur control?
01:40:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: YOU
01:40:39, TweakerbytheSpeaker: IF YOU ARE LIMITING YOURSELF
01:40:41, TweakerbytheSpeaker: THEN U ARE IN CONTROL
01:41:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: You asked
01:41:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: then certain cases of addiction can therefore be considered a mental illness by your definition
01:41:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "
01:41:24, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I answered.
01:41:25, TweakerbytheSpeaker: no.
01:41:29, Monologue: Your definition, that mental illness stems from an unchangable pre-existing condition
01:41:30, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Because addiction is something that can be controlled.
01:41:35, Monologue: Not that mental illness is an unchangable condition
01:41:39, TweakerbytheSpeaker: willpower
01:41:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Simpleenough.
01:41:48, TweakerbytheSpeaker: your saying people can't stop being addicted to something"?
01:41:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: If im addicted to cigerettes.
01:42:00, Monologue: "society defines Mental illness as when someones brain functions in a way thats completly irregular and detrimental to themselves & everyone around them." "Stemming from an unchangable pre-existing condition?"
01:42:04, TweakerbytheSpeaker: tehre are several ways to stop being addicted.
01:42:08, Monologue: TELL ME WHERE IT SAYS THAT MENTAL ILLNESS CANNOT BE CHANGED
01:42:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: because I said...
01:42:24, Monologue: It says that THE PRE-EXISTING CONDITION THAT IT STEMS FROM cannot be changed
01:42:27, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "addiction is not a mental illness because it can be controlled"
01:42:31, Monologue: NOT that the MENTAL ILLNESS cannot be changed
01:42:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Therefore it is implied.
01:42:35, Monologue: YOU gave that definition
01:42:37, TweakerbytheSpeaker: that i believe mental illness cannot be controlled.
01:42:42, TweakerbytheSpeaker: read what i just wrote.
01:42:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: THanks
01:42:47, Monologue: Read what you wrote before that
01:42:52, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes
01:42:55, Monologue: Your accepted definition
01:42:56, TweakerbytheSpeaker: that was part of my definition.
01:43:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: monologue
01:43:08, Monologue: Nothing about it says that mental illness cannot be changed
01:43:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: since the beginning of this argument
01:43:10, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I have said
01:43:12, TweakerbytheSpeaker: dozens of times
01:43:17, Monologue: Nor does it say that it cannot be controlled
01:43:18, TweakerbytheSpeaker: addiction is NOT a mental illness.
01:43:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: why?
01:43:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: why did is ay that?
01:43:22, TweakerbytheSpeaker: u tell me
01:43:26, TweakerbytheSpeaker: WHY did i say addiction is not a mental illness?
01:43:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: BECAUSE U HAVE CONTROL OVER IT
01:43:36, TweakerbytheSpeaker: what does that mean?
01:43:40, TweakerbytheSpeaker: It means  mental illness = no control.
01:43:46, TweakerbytheSpeaker: by my understanding
01:43:48, Monologue: No part of your definition says that a mental illness cannot be controlled
01:44:03, TweakerbytheSpeaker: it was established since the beginning of the argument
01:44:10, TweakerbytheSpeaker: u are just recently challenging it
01:44:12, Monologue: No, it was not.
01:44:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: monologue
01:44:20, TweakerbytheSpeaker: why must i keep repeating myself
01:44:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: let me say it again
01:44:21, Monologue: You stated the definition, and accepted it
01:44:22, TweakerbytheSpeaker: read ok?
01:44:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: READ OK?
01:44:26, TweakerbytheSpeaker: addiction
01:44:30, TweakerbytheSpeaker: is not mental illness.
01:44:33, TweakerbytheSpeaker: because u have control overr it.
01:44:36, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I don't think so
01:44:47, Monologue: A mental illness is not definied as being uncontrollable
01:44:51, TweakerbytheSpeaker: yes it is
01:44:52, Monologue: Going by your definition
01:44:57, TweakerbytheSpeaker: when did i ever say
01:45:00, TweakerbytheSpeaker: a mental illness was controllable?
01:45:01, Monologue: Which you accepted to be bound by
01:45:02, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ?
01:45:06, Monologue: You never said it was uncontrollable
01:45:08, TweakerbytheSpeaker: yes i did
01:45:11, TweakerbytheSpeaker: not in the one line u pasted
01:45:14, TweakerbytheSpeaker: but this entire argument
01:45:15, TweakerbytheSpeaker: iv said that dozens of times.
01:45:24, TweakerbytheSpeaker: YES AND I ALSO SAID THE ILLNESS WAS UNCTONTROLLABLE
01:45:24, Monologue: I asked you for your definition, and it never said it was uncontrollable
01:45:34, TweakerbytheSpeaker: WHAT
01:45:36, TweakerbytheSpeaker: NO I DIDNT LOL
01:45:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: rofl rofl
01:45:48, TweakerbytheSpeaker: when did is ay that
01:45:49, Monologue: Anything you say after accepting the definition is not part of the definition
01:45:56, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Monologue
01:45:57, TweakerbytheSpeaker: the very bveginning
01:45:58, TweakerbytheSpeaker: of this argument
01:46:01, TweakerbytheSpeaker: started u with u asking me
01:46:03, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "hen certain cases of addiction can therefore be considered a mental illness by your definition"
01:46:04, TweakerbytheSpeaker: then*
01:46:08, TweakerbytheSpeaker: And my immediate answer
01:46:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: was that addiction is controllable, and therefore not a mental illness
01:46:18, TweakerbytheSpeaker: this is implied
01:46:20, Monologue: However
01:46:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: that i believe illness is uncontrollable.
01:46:26, TweakerbytheSpeaker: even if it was not stated
01:46:28, TweakerbytheSpeaker: in what u psated
01:46:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: It is still clearly
01:46:33, Monologue: Your belief is not part of the definition
01:46:39, Monologue: The definition is the definition
01:46:42, TweakerbytheSpeaker: my definition is much broader then i can fit
01:46:50, Monologue: You accepted it before the argument started
01:46:56, Monologue: You agreed to be bound by it
01:46:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Monologue
01:46:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: your being really obtuse
01:47:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: people have wrote
01:47:10, TweakerbytheSpeaker: entire research papers
01:47:11, TweakerbytheSpeaker: on mental illness
01:47:14, TweakerbytheSpeaker: and your telling me i cant expand
01:47:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: on my original thought?
01:47:26, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I actually have
01:47:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: i'l email it to u
01:47:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: if ud liek
01:47:36, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I go to a better school then probably anyone in this room
01:47:41, TweakerbytheSpeaker: probably scored higher
01:47:43, TweakerbytheSpeaker: on the SAT
01:47:50, Monologue: How is that relevant?
01:47:57, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Because he said
01:47:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "you didn't"
01:48:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Of course Korey.
01:48:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: 2250, 800 reading, 750 math, 700 writing.
01:48:34, Monologue: Your premise for discrediting the conclusion was that addiction is controllable, whereas you never stated in your definition that a mental illness had to be uncontrollable
01:48:49, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes, and minor is psychology.
01:48:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: So its kind o right up my alley
01:48:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: since we are discussing theories...
01:49:00, TweakerbytheSpeaker: and ideas.
01:49:06, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I'm not bragging about a degree
01:49:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Lol?
01:49:27, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I could switch majors at any time
01:49:31, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Thats irrelevent to my school
01:49:34, Monologue: Mental illness: stems from uncontrollable pre-existing condition. Addiction: controllable. How do these statements disagree with each other? One is about the before, one is about the after.
01:49:40, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Monologue
01:49:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I"m allowed to expand on my original thought?
01:49:45, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Or no?
01:49:46, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Oh ok
01:49:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: anyways
01:50:08, TweakerbytheSpeaker: If mental illness is unchangable, as was established sicne the beginning of this argument; albeit not in my first line.
01:50:15, TweakerbytheSpeaker: addiction is not mental illness.
01:50:29, TweakerbytheSpeaker: study of plants
01:50:33, Monologue: Yes, but you failed to specify that in the initial definition and are now changing it to further your point.
01:50:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Monologue is being an idiot
01:50:46, TweakerbytheSpeaker: because he cant argue
01:50:48, TweakerbytheSpeaker: the actal topic at hand
01:50:52, TweakerbytheSpeaker: so he has to argue semantics
01:50:56, TweakerbytheSpeaker: YES
01:51:02, TweakerbytheSpeaker: duh
01:51:08, TweakerbytheSpeaker: he is a tech nerd.
01:51:14, Monologue: You can't argue about something without knowing precisely what that something is
01:51:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Monologue, the very first line of the conversation
01:51:28, TweakerbytheSpeaker: was me expressing my thoughts that addiction was not mental illness
01:51:34, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Because it is controllable.
01:51:38, TweakerbytheSpeaker: this IMPLIES
01:51:46, TweakerbytheSpeaker: that I believe mental illness is not controllable
01:51:49, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I'm sorry if i didn't make that clear
01:51:52, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I thought I did
01:51:55, Monologue: Then why didn't you say that mental illness is uncontrollable when I asked you for a definition?
01:51:56, TweakerbytheSpeaker: considering you had no problem with it earlier
01:52:05, TweakerbytheSpeaker: People are allowed to expand on things?
01:52:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: you want me to sit here and type every aspect?
01:52:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I said it
01:52:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: within 0 seconds
01:52:17, TweakerbytheSpeaker: 30*
01:52:19, TweakerbytheSpeaker: of that statement
01:52:21, Monologue: You gave a flawed definition, therefore your entire argument is invalidated
01:52:25, TweakerbytheSpeaker: lolol
01:52:31, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Of course it was flawed
01:52:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: it was MY definition
01:52:39, TweakerbytheSpeaker: everyones personal definition is flawed.
01:52:50, TweakerbytheSpeaker: i don't see how it matters
01:52:50, Monologue: Therefore, ergo, anything you say cannot be taken at face value and is inherently flawed.
01:52:51, TweakerbytheSpeaker: your qeustion was
01:52:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "hen certain cases of addiction can therefore be considered a mental illness by your definition
01:52:55, TweakerbytheSpeaker: then*
01:52:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: lets focus on ur question, please.
01:53:10, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I just don't see why
01:53:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: you cant focus on ur own question
01:53:15, TweakerbytheSpeaker: rather then the semantics
01:53:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: of the situation
01:53:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Lets go back to that.
01:53:28, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Addiction = controllable.
01:53:28, Monologue: Because my question relies on your definition, which you are attempting to change
01:53:33, TweakerbytheSpeaker: IM NOT CHANGING IT
01:53:34, TweakerbytheSpeaker: IT WA SESTABLISHED
01:53:38, TweakerbytheSpeaker: SINCE THE VERY BEGINNING
01:53:38, TweakerbytheSpeaker: even korey
01:53:40, TweakerbytheSpeaker: was there for that
01:53:47, TweakerbytheSpeaker: holy fuck stfu
01:53:50, Monologue: It was never established that mental illnesses are uncontrollable
01:53:54, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Yes it was!
01:53:58, Monologue: You put it in afterwards
01:53:58, TweakerbytheSpeaker: u jsut didnt get it
01:53:59, TweakerbytheSpeaker: obviously
01:54:03, TweakerbytheSpeaker: no, I put it in immediatly
01:54:07, TweakerbytheSpeaker: since ur first question
01:54:12, TweakerbytheSpeaker: after " define"
01:54:14, TweakerbytheSpeaker: ur next question was
01:54:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "then certain cases of addiction can therefore be considered a mental illness by your definition
01:54:30, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I never changed my argument
01:54:32, TweakerbytheSpeaker: what the fuck is wrong with you
01:54:36, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I've been going by the same thing
01:54:41, TweakerbytheSpeaker: since I said since the very bebginning
01:54:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: which is that
01:54:45, Monologue: No, you have had the same argument, but are changing the definition
01:54:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: addiction is not mental illness.
01:54:59, Monologue: That is your argument, yes.
01:55:02, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Ok
01:55:04, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Good
01:55:04, TweakerbytheSpeaker: lets go back to that.
01:55:09, Monologue: However, your definition of mental illness seems to have changed
01:55:14, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I'm sorry you feel that way.
01:55:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: but its not the case.
01:55:25, Monologue: Shut up, Reese you Nazi
01:55:35, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Perhaps we are just having an error
01:55:37, TweakerbytheSpeaker: in comunication
01:55:37, Monologue: Speaking of which, wishing he was here
01:55:41, TweakerbytheSpeaker: as my definition remains unchanged.
01:55:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: since the very beginning
01:55:45, TweakerbytheSpeaker: of this conversation
01:56:02, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Anyways
01:56:09, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Addiction, even though very difficult to control
01:56:14, TweakerbytheSpeaker: IS possible to get over
01:56:16, TweakerbytheSpeaker: and therefore - not a mental illness.
01:56:22, TweakerbytheSpeaker: which is unfortunately permanent.
01:56:42, Monologue: Your definition was that a mental illness is when someone's brain functions in a way that is completely irregular and detrimental to themselves and everyone around them, stemming from an unchangable pre-existing condition
01:56:53, TweakerbytheSpeaker: no
01:56:56, TweakerbytheSpeaker: that was societys definition
01:56:57, Monologue: It does not state, however, that a mental illness is an unchangable condition
01:57:03, TweakerbytheSpeaker: thats why i started with
01:57:04, TweakerbytheSpeaker: "society"
01:57:09, Monologue: You said that you accepted that definition for the duration of this argument
01:57:11, TweakerbytheSpeaker: My personal definition
01:57:13, TweakerbytheSpeaker: which i elaborated on
01:57:15, TweakerbytheSpeaker: was that its not changable
01:57:20, Monologue: Your personal definition was "screws loose"
01:57:21, TweakerbytheSpeaker: i wrote it write after "Screws loose"
01:57:23, TweakerbytheSpeaker: no
01:57:26, TweakerbytheSpeaker: paste every line
01:57:26, TweakerbytheSpeaker: i wrote
01:57:27, TweakerbytheSpeaker: after that
01:57:28, TweakerbytheSpeaker: do it.
01:57:44, TweakerbytheSpeaker: born addicted?
01:57:46, TweakerbytheSpeaker: Like if there parent smokes?
01:57:47, TweakerbytheSpeaker: or something?
01:57:52, Monologue: Did you, or did you not say "Yes, I accept that definition."?
01:58:02, TweakerbytheSpeaker: I said that to my definition
01:58:03, TweakerbytheSpeaker: which u are refusing to paste