[01:46] Hey, can I ask some questions pertaining to Dota ? [01:48] shoot [01:49] what'd you like to know [01:49] :D [01:49] Well, it's for personal reasons. I'm also attempting to write a guide to help out LoL players who want to transition to Dota2 [01:49] ye [01:50] Can a courier be killed? [01:50] ye [01:50] If it can, does the items it have get destroyed upon it's death? [01:50] whenno [01:50] no [01:50] they drop [01:50] and you can kill them on the ground [01:50] if you make the courier flying [01:50] Ahh [01:50] (costs an extra 200g) [01:51] it has a movementspeed boost (think ghost walk?lol) [01:51] Yeah [01:51] and a shield (5seconds) that makes it totally invulernable [01:51] Ahhh, okay [01:51] but only when flying [01:51] walking is just that [01:51] walking transport [01:51] lol [01:51] they tend to die in 1/2 hits [01:51] at level 1 [01:51] that's nifty [01:51] aw [01:52] but if you're good [01:52] you either put it behind the tower [01:52] where it's generally safe [01:52] or if it's flying [01:52] you can shift queue it [01:52] so it starts flying towards you with the ms boost [01:52] nod [01:52] when it gets to you [01:52] gives you the items instantly [01:52] puts the shield on automatically [01:52] and flys base [01:52] That's pretty awesome [01:52] it's pretty basic stuff [01:52] but very very useful [01:53] ;p [01:53] In LoL, you need boots on every character, no exception. Does every Hero in Dota need boots? [01:53] yes [01:53] no exception [01:53] Ah, I see [01:53] Sorry, without having played Dota I really don't know the numerous differences [01:54] no problem [01:54] HoN sorta added its own items to the pool [01:54] well [01:54] take away plated greaves [01:54] and striders [01:54] from HoN [01:54] is the same as dota [01:54] but in dota you get arcane boots [01:54] which on activation [01:54] give mana in aoe (like the free summoner spell in LoL) [01:54] Wow [01:54] really nice on heroes like earth shaker [01:54] think they're 1500g [01:54] Thats nice [01:55] Is there a locked Camera mode for dota? [01:55] 500g boots/1000g mana item (forgot the name) [01:55] I know in LoL a lot of people keep it on, and it's a bad habit [01:55] in DotA2 if you want locked camera [01:55] double click on the hero portrait [01:55] it locks in [01:55] Ah, there we go :D [01:55] there will probably be a bind aswell [01:56] (by portrait I mean the icon in the gui at the bottom that you'll see as people play on streams now) [01:56] Yeah [01:56] :3 [01:56] How are the runes determined for the river? [01:56] Are they random? [01:56] it's rng [01:56] 50/50 chance [01:56] top or bot [01:56] one at 00:00 [01:57] one at 2,4,6,8,10 [01:57] etc [01:57] (minutes) [01:57] for rest of the game [01:57] Cool beans [01:57] like LoL you get a pre-game timer [01:57] before the creeps spawn [01:57] right [01:57] neutrals don't spawn until 30seconds past lane creeps spawn [01:57] creeps can be stacked once every minute [01:57] creep corpses don't block the spawns (as in hon) [01:58] I imagine that would be a weird strategy [01:58] what [01:58] stacking creep corpses in hon [01:58] Or am I thinking of something else [01:58] I meant neutral creeps [01:58] wood creeps [01:58] ahhh [01:59] in HoN if a creep corpse stays in the camp blocking area [01:59] it blocks the neutrals from spawning [01:59] in DotA2 [01:59] it doesn't [01:59] Ahhh [02:00] How do you Deny? Is it just right clicking on your own minions like any attack? [02:00] exactly the same as farming [02:00] Cool [02:00] when it's low hp [02:00] I imagine some people would wonder about that [02:00] you attack it as if you were trying to farm it [02:00] but it denies them the exp / gold [02:01] right [02:01] :3 [02:01] Is there a time limit on buybacks? [02:01] And thats it, I swear [02:01] D: [02:01] in dota2 you can buy back every certain amount of time [02:01] forever [02:01] aslong as the timers off cool down [02:01] you can buy out [02:01] Cool :D [02:02] so it's on a timer [02:02] yeah, don't ask me how long [02:02] x3 [02:02] I can research numbers, it's mechanics that can be a bit baffling [02:02] how so? [02:02] Just not being familiar [02:02] well [02:03] LoL may have the same goal (Destroy the enemy base) [02:03] if you're a good LoL player [02:03] but the way it accomplishes it is different [02:03] you'll be better then the bads in DotA [02:03] but you won't be godlike [02:03] I'd consider myself decent [02:03] unless you really pick it up properly [02:03] I was 1500 solo queue a year ago [02:03] right [02:03] I plan to really get into the studying whenver I get a beta key [02:04] no need [02:04] just need to focus on a role [02:04] ;p [02:04] in LoL you play what you've bought [02:04] I'm sorta liking Int [02:04] carries or supports [02:04] favourite LoL hero? [02:04] Tinker and Zeus [02:04] Favorite lol hero... [02:04] tinker is fucking SOLID to play as a beginner hero [02:04] fyi [02:04] :D [02:04] he's like "Difficulty: Nightmare" [02:04] I mean properly though [02:04] oh [02:04] not in bad pubs [02:05] in a proper 5v5 [02:05] if not played properly he'll be useless [02:05] I was also told that Sven was an easy to learn STR hero [02:05] sven is retardedly easy [02:05] and Skeleton King [02:05] both [02:05] are [02:05] so noob friendly [02:05] it's untrue [02:05] but that's not the way to play [02:05] you want to know how to play EVERY hero [02:05] Whats a good noob friendly Int then [02:05] zeus is cool [02:05] his first spell (chain lightning) is straight outta lol [02:05] it's a tiny mana cost [02:06] spammable spell [02:06] you use it to farm on mid [02:06] :O [02:06] Well, not as spammable as LoL i imagine [02:06] leave it at level 1 skill [02:06] you can do about [02:06] 30 chain lightnings [02:06] woah [02:06] with starting regen and stuff [02:06] it doesn't hurt much [02:06] but it's nice for last hits [02:06] vs strong last hitters [02:06] yeah, I imagine [02:07] and his ult [02:07] is just like karthas? [02:07] global nuke [02:07] :O [02:07] Fun [02:07] but in dota it's instant the minute you press the button [02:07] think it's karthas [02:07] it's a global nuke [02:07] yeah [02:08] Karthus is the one [02:08] yeah but it's instant [02:08] the minute you press the button [02:08] hehe [02:08] he's a very weak [02:08] difficult to master hero [02:08] but very easy to play [02:08] and puts out SOOOO much damage [02:08] Ah o: [02:08] How do you determine item effectiveness? [02:08] how'd you mean [02:08] Like, In LoL you usually only get 1-2 items to start with [02:08] from the dota2 streams Im seeing 4, 5 items [02:09] yeah [02:09] it's the price [02:09] in lol you've got [02:09] health pots [02:09] wards [02:09] starting items [02:09] and the basic dorans [02:09] yeah [02:09] in dota you've got +stat items (cheap) [02:09] there's no dorans [02:09] or anything like that [02:09] yeah ,I figured [02:09] it's +tiny stats [02:09] and health/mana regen [02:09] you can't give and take as much in DotA [02:10] right right [02:11] Whats the point of day/night [02:11] I thought that looked a bit weird [02:11] you get more [02:11] line of sight [02:11] in the day [02:11] then at night [02:11] (it's for ganking) [02:11] also one hero [02:11] relies on the night [02:11] (night stalker / balanar) it makes him a LOT stronger (during the night) [02:11] Nightstalker [02:11] he's basically a vampire [02:11] ye [02:12] Crazy [02:12] it's an after effect from wc3 [02:12] but it's a cool principle [02:12] x3 [02:12] basically all your vision shrinks at night [02:12] so you can't see potential ganks [02:12] So you have to be more defensive [02:12] potentially [02:12] or gank [02:12] bingo [02:12] you're getting it already [02:12] depends on your hero [02:12] :3 [02:12] and your role [02:12] Right [02:13] Well, that was adorable [02:13] Just saw Tinker summon the goblin army [02:13] watching h4nn1s stream? [02:13] Yeah [02:14] He seems to know a lot [02:14] ex dota pro [02:14] I'm taking mental notes [02:14] current hon pro [02:14] h4nn1s role [02:14] in teams [02:14] is difficult [02:14] he's really really good [02:14] he plays how I aspire to play ) [02:14] :D [02:14] although I can guarantee i'm better at some heroes than him :P [02:14] He's using teleport scrolls to move around? [02:14] no [02:14] Do they last forever or are they a stack use item [02:14] he has boots of travels [02:14] Ahh [02:14] they have one use [02:14] tp scrolls [02:14] 135g [02:15] 1 use [02:15] you can stack [02:15] millions [02:15] in one inventory slot [02:15] but they have a cool down [02:15] tinkers ult [02:15] I hear they're crucial to getting back into [02:15] refreshes all of his skills [02:15] OH [02:15] and items [02:15] His ult [02:15] yeah [02:15] so he can use the boot of travels [02:15] more than once [02:15] he can use it [02:15] whenever [02:15] aslong as he has the mana [02:15] to ult [02:15] and tp [02:15] wooow [02:15] That's pretty good [02:15] like I said [02:15] heroes amazing [02:15] very difficult to master [02:15] you literally [02:15] can keep someone disabled [02:15] forever [02:15] if you have the mana [02:16] Nothing against Riot, but this is beyond LoL champ design [02:16] because of that ultimate [02:16] LoL champ design was dumbed down for bad players [02:16] I don't hate the players [02:16] but that's what it was [02:16] yeah [02:16] and too many people couldn't get into hon for fear of the difficulty [02:16] are gonna get crapped on by dota2 [02:16] cos dota2 is gonna kill both hon & LoL [02:17] I dunno about Lol, but Hon probably :X [02:17] Thankfully, my money investment in LoL is minimal [02:17] LoL will die [02:17] I can guarantee it [02:17] all players like you [02:17] who actually now have faith [02:17] in the company making dota [02:17] will play it [02:17] and think [02:17] fuck me [02:17] why did I ever play LoL [02:17] ) [02:17] Well yeah, I plan to play dota2 [02:18] lol [02:18] it's the honest truth [02:18] I can hope [02:18] x3 [02:18] because LoL albeit reasonably good [02:18] is just so badly done [02:18] in so many ways [02:18] and all the fun that dota/hon have [02:18] a lot of that has been sapped out of LoL [02:18] to make the game noob friendly [02:18] but after you've stopped being a noob [02:18] you learn to love it [02:18] doesn't take more then 100 games [02:18] and there will be millions of people like you [02:18] ah [02:18] all having the same problems [02:18] I only have 500 in Lol ;p [02:18] learning the game [02:19] if I sat [02:19] on a VoIP server with you [02:19] and play through the game [02:19] :O [02:19] I could get you to the equivalent of mid level DotA2 support play [02:19] with no problems [02:19] Nice [02:19] it's who you're taught by [02:19] That makes me feel a bit better [02:19] and what you're taught [02:19] don't be daunted [02:19] just learn to play a role [02:19] and become good at it [02:19] every hero in dota2 can win the game if played properly [02:19] Yeah [02:19] and every hero can lose it if played incorrectly [02:20] massive team game [02:20] yeahhh [02:20] you wouldn't have [02:20] these worries [02:20] Are there any heroes that specifically jungle so they can gank? [02:20] yeah [02:20] natures propheyt [02:20] enchantress [02:20] chen [02:20] er [02:20] can't think of more off the top of my head [02:20] Yeah, I saw chen can make the jungle creep his minions [02:21] I hear he's a hard to master champ too [02:21] he's [02:21] ridiculously hard to play [02:21] and also [02:21] my favourite hero [02:21] ) [02:21] x3 [02:21] I play that role [02:21] jungle gankers [02:21] chen furion enchantress [02:21] tempest [02:21] etc [02:21] there are a lot of junglers in dota [02:21] Also, uh [02:21] but it's more difficult to jungle [02:21] whats this "shitty wizard" that every hero has in it's sound file [02:22] don't know [02:22] if I knew [02:22] i'd probs be in the beta [02:22] xD [02:22] Yeah, true [02:22] but i'm just another desperately waiting person [02:22] Ah [02:22] being nice to people on the off chance they have a key [02:22] I can't wait to get in [02:22] If I get a key, I'll make sure to forward it to you [02:22] appreciated [02:22] You've really been helpful to me [02:22] dw though [02:22] now this is the thing [02:22] if valve [02:22] actually reward [02:22] helpful people [02:22] I could dedicate my time to it [02:23] but most of these games don't [02:23]