08:13 < mysis> someone make/get a screen with 'dev_blind' etc. and paste it on ps360team forum :>
08:16 < nevik> Snowy foxbrew and gotbrew not up.
08:16 < Korben> nevik: fowbrew.org or ps3devwiki.com for backup of git.gitbrew.org and others
08:17 < Korben> nevik: http://www.multiupload.com/UUJS1V9HT8
08:17 < nevik> Korben: thanks!
08:17 < zecoxao> would it be possible to make a "clean" downgrade with a hw flasher in a near future?
08:18 < Korben> zecoxao: you mean without "dospiedra v2" method ?
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08:18 < zecoxao> i mean a clean one, without patches or anything
08:19 < zecoxao> that could flash to syscon or w/e
08:19 < zecoxao> then it would be possible to upgrade again like nothing happened
08:19 < nevik> Korben: did I see you ask for HFS+ before?  I have a petitboot that will mount it.
08:20 < zecoxao> when i came here the first time, someone said to me the downgrade method with hw flashers wasn't "clean"
08:21 < Korben> nevik: i remember someone talking about HFS+, but it was not me :p
08:22 <&Snowy> ah
08:22 <&Snowy> it's offical
08:22 <&Snowy> it's been a month since we've recieved a donation
08:22 <&Snowy> :)
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08:23 <&Snowy> Time flys by pretty fast :D
08:23 < zecoxao> lolz
08:23 < zecoxao> want me to donate 1⬠to you? xD
08:25 <&Snowy> :P
08:25 < Korben> zecoxao: "then it would be possible to upgrade again like nothing happened" it is not possible atm ?
08:25 <&Snowy> nah if people don't want to donate then it's whatever
08:25 <&Snowy> server is going to stay up
08:25 <&Snowy> we're just not going to be eating much else other then ramen noodles
08:25 <&Snowy> xD
08:25 < zecoxao> it is with qa and service mode
08:26 < zecoxao> NOT hw flashers, i think
08:26 < zecoxao> mmmmmmm, noodles
08:26 <&Snowy> i'm thankful enough that nevik wants to donate a console towards teh cause :)
08:26 <&Snowy> that MAJORLY helps :)
08:27 < zecoxao> Korben, i believe it was eussNL who said me what he said
08:27 < Korben> nevik: you want me to take a look at the log in order to find the "HFS+ asker" ? :p
08:28  * eussNL never said about HFS+, but about UFS2+proprietary
08:28 <&Snowy> https://twitter.com/#!/gitbrew
08:28  * Snowy snickers
08:28 <%eussNL> and yes, downgrade is not clean if you HAVE to patch it because you cannot clean syscon hashes
08:28 < zecoxao> oh ok
08:28 < zecoxao> but hold on
08:29 < zecoxao> what if you have access to syscon?
08:29 <%eussNL> what if you can decrypt it too
08:29 < zecoxao> oh xD
08:29 <%eussNL> what if someone dropped a 150 page manual for it including tools and decryption keys
08:29 < zecoxao> so, there are keys for syscon aswell?
08:30 <%eussNL> what if you hooked a flasher to syscon, specifically for adressing eeprom
08:30 <&Snowy> zecoxao: it's only partial firmwares
08:30 <&Snowy> decr is the only one that has a full syscon firmware as far as i know :x
08:30 < zecoxao> that sucks
08:30 < zecoxao> no one has that... well you know what i mean
08:30 <%eussNL> they all have full firmware - the difference is how they update : DECR does full format+install, retail does 
                partials
08:30 <&Snowy> adrianc was on his way of dumping them, but he found out they're encrypted anyways
08:31 <&Snowy> ah okay  eussNL :) was confused there
08:31 < zecoxao> oh
08:31 < zecoxao> so there will never be a clean downgrade?
08:31 < zecoxao> with hw flashers?
08:32 <%eussNL> not unless service mode is unlocked for 3.56++/3.6x/3.7x
08:32 < Korben> we will still need to patch something, so : no xD
08:32 < zecoxao> yeah, i'd figure
08:33 < Korben> btw, if i downgrade with my teensy++ from 3.72 to 3.55, i could theoretically upgrade to 3.72 again via 
                OtherOS++, no ?
08:33  * eussNL doesnt like messing with inaccessable and unbackupable storage areas
08:33 <%eussNL> Korben, even without otheros
08:34 <%eussNL> that id where the teensy comes in
08:34 <%eussNL> is
08:34 < Korben> yeah, but i want to give a try to http://ps3devwiki.com/index.php?title=Downgrading_with_linux since no one try 
                it apparently...
08:35 <%eussNL> ok, so how do you propose to start Linux on 3.72?
08:35 < zecoxao> what about... oh, can't speak about it xD
08:35 < Korben> i'm talking about upgrading
08:35 < Korben> not downgrading
08:35 < zecoxao> ros eussNL
08:35 < zecoxao> no?
08:35 < Korben> downgrading with teensy++
08:35 < Korben> ( 3.72 ==> 3.55 )
08:35 < Korben> upgrading with GNU/Linux
08:35 <%eussNL> doesnt really matter, you are still using updater manager HV
08:35 < Korben> ( 3.55 ==> 3.72 )
08:36 < zecoxao> is that with norway or w/e?
08:36 <%eussNL> so I wont see the speciality for Linux in that one Korben 
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08:36 < zecoxao> hey greg
08:36 <%GregoryRasputin> Hi zecoxao 
08:37 < zecoxao> interesting convo here :)
08:37 < Korben> eussNL: yes but since no one tried it, this is a "non tested" fonction for what i know, i think even graf_chokolo 
                don't gave it a try xD
08:37 < zecoxao> what about the bootloader thingy eussNL?
08:38 <%eussNL> bootldr thingy? the per console encrypted one?
08:38 <%eussNL> with the keys you cannot get?
08:38 < Korben> he just said "you can do it", i'm not sure he tested it, same fact about glevand, no ?
08:39 <%eussNL> well, its updater manager Korben - so theoretical same applies from Linux as from HV or LV2
08:39 < zecoxao> i meant exploit on the bootloader... sorry i had to say it
08:39 < Korben> everything i can do whithout gameos is a "+" for me xD
08:39 <%eussNL> you are still using gameos
08:39 <%eussNL> ;)
08:40 <%eussNL> why do you think you need tons of LV1 patches for OtherOS++ ?
08:40 <%eussNL> not because you are so independant
08:40 <%eussNL> or no longer using GameOS / Sony code...
08:40 < Korben> ok, so let's be more precise "whithout XMB and lot of shit i don't need/want"
08:41 <%eussNL> its because you are highly relying on Hypervisor for access and functions
08:41 < Korben> but yes, i know we're using lv1/lv2 anyway
08:41 <%eussNL> it is still full of shit and functions you dont use
08:41 <%eussNL> including PSN
08:42 <%eussNL> every single sprx/self from GameOS
08:42 < Korben> lv1/lv2 ? ==> yes, but at least, i can use these functions under a system i like :p
08:43 <%eussNL> yes, and the other 450 files from GameOSD
08:43 <%eussNL> including the lockouts, marriage, tied encryption etc.
08:44 <%eussNL> dont lie to yourself by thinking ´Linux equals Freedom´ on the ps3
08:44 <%eussNL> it is not
08:44 < zecoxao> euss is very serious today :/
08:45 <%eussNL> it is the freedom you get from getting special privilidges because Glevand patched the guards and dinnertimes in 
                digital quantanamo bay
08:45 < Korben> otherwise graf_chokolo and glevand would not bother with these kinds of functions :D it's here, so let's use them
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08:45 <&Snowy> LOL eussNL 
08:46 <&Snowy> best analogy ever
08:46 <&Snowy> :)
08:46 < Korben> i'm not talking about "freedom" ( did i mention this ? ) i'm talking about a system i'm more used to
08:46 <%eussNL> People often wonder why every Linux zealot wants to run it on their toaster - but on the ps3 its like trying to 
                run it on the toaster in the quantanamo guard room
08:48 <%eussNL> I made the analogy to freedom, because you mentioned the no usage of GameOS and using functions you are more 
                familiar with - while I eplain that the specific function was brought to you by ´a great escape´ with long 
                tunneling to HV functions and lockpicking stubs there.
08:48 < zecoxao> well, we can't have everything...
08:49 <%eussNL> ofcourse you can Linux in Auschwitz - you just have to tunnel in german...
08:49 < zecoxao> euss, thank you, that's enough
08:49 < Korben> xD
08:49 < zecoxao> you're scaring us
08:50 <&Snowy> brb posting a log of this onto the gitbrew twitter
08:50 <&Snowy> dying of laughter
08:50 <&Snowy> xD
08:50 <%eussNL> that is why you needed the Russian freedom fighter, chokolo
08:50 <%eussNL> which speaks good german btw
08:50 < zecoxao> the best there is :)
08:51 <%eussNL> and knows how to build tunnels though hypervisor
08:51 <%eussNL> with Deutsche Gründlichkeit.
08:51 < zecoxao> lol
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08:51 < zecoxao> did you use google translate on that one?
08:51 <%eussNL> no
08:51 < zecoxao> then you're german :P
08:52 <%eussNL> natürlich nicht ;)
08:52 < zecoxao> oh i see :P
08:52 <%eussNL> NL = dutch, the neighbouring country
08:52 < zecoxao> netherlands, if i'm not mistaken
08:52 <%eussNL> yes
08:54 <%eussNL> anyhow, that is the reason why the longest page in wiki is the hypervisor page : because you need to tie strings 
                to every puppet to use it later in Linux. You are basically running a puppetshow in Linux.
08:54 <%eussNL> you can see the same with RSX too
08:55 <%eussNL> if it was truely independant, you would C code to address hardware, not HV reversals and protocols