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Nov 17 01:07:13 <KingAnt>	Alright
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Nov 17 01:08:08 <KingAnt>	The Gaim development team does not have a consensus on support for voice and video
Nov 17 01:08:15 <KingAnt>	Some of us want it, and some of us don't care
Nov 17 01:08:28 <KingAnt>	It WILL get implemented at some point
Nov 17 01:08:37 <ttyfscker>	i dont see it happening anytime soon
Nov 17 01:09:02 <ttyfscker>	you all worry more about the menus, look of the interface
Nov 17 01:09:06 <ttyfscker>	and fixing lil minor bugs
Nov 17 01:09:10 <ttyfscker>	than actual features...
Nov 17 01:09:38 <ttyfscker>	should maybe open a new development branch for 3.0
Nov 17 01:09:48 <ttyfscker>	and work on it with 2.0 at the same time
Nov 17 01:09:51 <ttyfscker>	sort of like firefox does
Nov 17 01:09:51 <KingAnt>	I'd rather have something polished without voice and video support than something shitty that lets me talk to my friends for 20 seconds and then crashes
Nov 17 01:10:02 <ttyfscker>	why would it have to be shitty
Nov 17 01:10:08 <ttyfscker>	if you have developers polishing 2.0
Nov 17 01:10:12 <KingAnt>	Because lil minor bugs wouldn't be fixed?
Nov 17 01:10:16 <ttyfscker>	and ones that are implementing video voice in 3.0
Nov 17 01:10:23 <ttyfscker>	then the polish can be migrated in with it
Nov 17 01:10:32 <KingAnt>	You might be overestimating the size of the Gaim development team...
Nov 17 01:10:38 <ttyfscker>	i must be
Nov 17 01:10:42 <ttyfscker>	for an irc room that big though
Nov 17 01:10:46 <KingAnt>	There aren't a lot of developers with free time
Nov 17 01:10:48 <ttyfscker>	you might think it has a good team
Nov 17 01:11:04 <KingAnt>	The number of people in an irc channel is not a reflection on the size of the development team
Nov 17 01:11:09 <ttyfscker>	well im sure a lot of people would like to contribute but dont because they get knocked down on their ideas
Nov 17 01:11:15 <ttyfscker>	yes i know that
Nov 17 01:11:18 <KingAnt>	Maybe
Nov 17 01:11:31 <KingAnt>	But we don't knock down good patches
Nov 17 01:11:31 <ttyfscker>	what about other things
Nov 17 01:11:46 <ttyfscker>	like maybe fspot integration for photosharing via flickr on the yahoo protocol
Nov 17 01:11:52 <ttyfscker>	that shouldnt be hard to implement
Nov 17 01:11:57 <ttyfscker>	since its open source as well
Nov 17 01:12:09 <ttyfscker>	would that feature get pushed away if i requested it
Nov 17 01:12:11 <ttyfscker>	of course it would
Nov 17 01:12:16 <ttyfscker>	because its not sticking to the basics
Nov 17 01:12:24 <KingAnt>	Holy shit have you seen how many open feature requests we have?
Nov 17 01:12:25 <ttyfscker>	if i was saying i was willing to help integrate that
Nov 17 01:12:33 <ttyfscker>	then i would be told to start a fork of the gaim project
Nov 17 01:12:39 <KingAnt>	I wouldn't tell you that
Nov 17 01:12:40 <ttyfscker>	yes i have
Nov 17 01:12:45 <ttyfscker>	and just to be honest
Nov 17 01:12:56 <ttyfscker>	the sf bug/feature request thing is messy as hell
Nov 17 01:13:01 <KingAnt>	Seriously, if you write a decent patch that adds a feature that it's retarded then we'll accept it
Nov 17 01:13:14 <KingAnt>	We really don't have enough time to do what we want
Nov 17 01:13:34 <ttyfscker>	no but they make time to add silly shit to the about gaim dialog
Nov 17 01:13:38 <KingAnt>	Like, I REALLY want to implement voice and video in Gaim, but I have an extremely small amount of free time
Nov 17 01:14:17 <KingAnt>	Your perception of the Gaim development community is warped and I don't think you're willing to change your views, so I'm going to stop wasting my time talking to you
Nov 17 01:14:29 <ttyfscker>	no im not warped
Nov 17 01:14:34 <ttyfscker>	im just thinking outside the box
Nov 17 01:14:56 <ttyfscker>	and i know i could get a few people with plenty of time on their hands that know c and gtk
Nov 17 01:14:57 <ttyfscker>	but
Nov 17 01:15:10 <ttyfscker>	its getting along with the current development team that would be an issue
Nov 17 01:15:19 <ttyfscker>	nobody is going to want to work with people that arent open to new ideas
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