Start of Av buffer: Wed Nov 29 20:14:43 2006[10:59:40] yes [11:00:07] why did you add _static_ as an irc operator? [11:01:17] I'm not really sure what you're asking. Are you questioning my ability to choose good opers? Or are you suggesting that you'd be a better oper than him? or what? [11:01:39] I am simply asking why you added him. I hope that wasn't a dumb question. [11:02:10] because he asked me to [11:02:18] he's some lucky guy [11:03:10] I thought a person who has irc operator status has some type of obligation to follow the rules set by the administrator [11:03:29] I've yet to see him break any [11:03:37] wow [11:04:24] a bit biased are't we? [11:04:51] what rule did he break? [11:05:10] to better answer your question, what rules did he follow? [11:05:21] i asked you first [11:05:32] how do I know what rules he broke without knowing the rules are? [11:05:50] what rules do you think he broke? [11:06:18] you seem to have a feeling for what the rules are, because you're suggesting he broken them [11:06:24] I will answer that [11:10:09] The fact there are no rules for IRC operators is the main problem. However, to answer your question, I will use an analogy. If a police officer, on his own time outside of his uniform, has a disagreement with someone, and he uses his privileges as a police officer to get him arrested, is that right? [11:10:41] Whereas if he wasn't a police officer, the person would have not gone to jail [11:11:17] the police officer used his biases and misused his privledges [11:11:40] there are rules for IRC operators. why you think there aren't is beyond me, but they are in place. and being a police officer and an IRC operator are *very different things*. That would would even begin to compare the two concerns me greatly. [11:11:43] in my situation, _static_ took his personal belief outside of the channel and used his channel operator status to kline me where I would have not been klined [11:12:06] its the same exact thing [11:12:26] if _static_ was not an irc operator, it wouldnt have gone past that [11:12:50] he misused his privledge by having me and my friends klined not to mention on other servers [11:13:07] it might have. personally I think k-lining someone for being stupid is perfectly acceptable. And clearly opers on toher servers feel the same way. [11:13:23] *other [11:13:34] well then your kline list should be full and its not because not everyone is an irc operator and not all of them misuse their privledges [11:14:21] if your statement is true, then IRC EFNET will be empty since everyone is perfect [11:14:39] no such thing as a dumb question, I am a teacher, and that statement gets me aggitated [11:14:54] the fact that you are saying that makes me feel that you are immature [11:15:12] not really. Most people can get by just fine. For example, you asked a stupid question. Your stupid question did not get you k-lined. Your subsequent stupidity however, did. [11:15:36] my question has NOTHING to do with what happened with _static_ [11:15:40] you had no need to follow static around, or get your "friends" involved [11:15:44] you are biased and not the best person to get this situation resolved [11:15:55] i'm the only person who can get this situation resolved [11:16:06] with your mentality, it will not be resolved [11:16:20] how can he learn to be a good irc operator when you have bad pretences? [11:16:33] that you allow him to do these things and not reprimand him? [11:16:50] like I said, I've yet to see him break a rule [11:17:13] he misused his privledge, is that not a rule? [11:17:51] well, you advocate kling for asking a question, thats the main problem [11:18:19] he k-lined you for being an idiot. Why did you feel it was necessary to follow him into other channels just because you were banned from one? [11:18:20] you are the server administrator so you can do whatever you want but just think that there are other people who have morals [11:18:32] I don't advocate kline for one question [11:18:35] I didn't follow him in other channels to harass him [11:18:35] that's a channel matter [11:18:43] I wanted to know why he banned me [11:18:54] when you took it into multiple other channels, that became a server matter. and a kline was perfectly justified. [11:19:03] what multiple channels? [11:19:10] #efnet and #altonbrown? [11:19:19] yes [11:19:24] all I did was ask why he banned me? Does that constitute as abuse? [11:19:41] you should have messaged him, and if he didn't answer you should have just shut up. [11:19:47] ah-hah there you go [11:20:10] that is exactly what I needed to know [11:20:11] what? [11:20:23] the "God" type mentality [11:20:32] IRC Operators are above everyone else, eh? [11:20:52] it's not a "God" mentality at all. *YOU* turned a channel matter into a server-wide matter. [11:21:08] I don't see how I did because I did nothing with the server [11:21:26] I did not spam, I did not flood, I didn't do anything like that [11:21:38] when you take one matter and spread it over more than one channel, it's automatically a server-wide matter [11:21:51] I didn't know that [11:21:53] if it's contained in one single channel, then it's a channel matter [11:22:00] Ignorance is no excuse [11:22:11] I did a MOTD on all the irc servers, did not mention anything like that [11:22:39] who is to say someone is ignorant when there is no way to find out until it has happened? [11:22:56] even with your point, he still misused his privledge [11:23:16] if he wasn't an irc operator, he wouldn't have klined me [11:23:19] look at this! [11:24:22] In that case he could have asked an ircoper to kline you, and someone probably would have [11:24:29] I can disprove that [11:24:43] It is the policy [11:24:43] - of this server to abstain from involvement in channel [11:24:43] - matters so please do not bother to ask. [11:24:50] what do you think about that? [11:25:26] if he asked another irc operator, they would not be involved in the matter [11:26:00] they would after you joined multiple channels [11:26:16] multiple channels = #altonbrown #efnet? [11:26:27] there were already irc operators in #efnet, none of them klined me [11:27:16] multiple channels = more than one channel [11:27:31] look, seriously, this is getting old. [11:27:41] well I proved myself and I think somewhere you know I am too [11:27:55] You're sill on the network, so frankly, I think you should be greatful for that [11:27:59] not even in the slightest [11:28:27] what a privledge, being on a chauvinistic network. [11:28:39] being klined/dlined for asking "dumb" questions [12:22:19] did you summon your peaons to attack me?