pepsi ##electronics
lilo uh, what about ##electronics?
pepsi thats why im on freenode
lilo and...?
pepsi and therse a double hash now
lilo and this is important because...?
pepsi if its not important, why is the double hash required?
lilo the policy discusses it
lilo but you seem to think there's a problem with it
pepsi yes
lilo I'm curious what the problem is
pepsi the double hash adds an aura of cheesiness, which is obviously intentional
lilo you're serious?
pepsi ##windows and ##linux is fine since they are trademarks or whatever
pepsi but ##electronics?
lilo someone owns the name 'electronics'?
pepsi i dunno
lilo I don't think a case can be made
pepsi thats why im upset
pepsi i dont see a reason for the double hash
pepsi makes no sense
lilo #foo channels are official channels
lilo ##foo channels are channels which are not official in some way, where the owners do not own the name
pepsi there are a bazillion other # channels that dont follow policy
pepsi who decides which channels have to move?
lilo the channel didn't have to move
lilo we haven't set a schedule for cutover
lilo they'll all move eventually
pepsi eventually as in 100 years?
lilo nope
lilo as soon as we have working code to enforce the restriction
lilo plus whatever time we can provide to make the transition smoother
lilo you guys just got a jump on everybody else
lilo as did ##C and ##C++ and #photogeeks
pepsi yea i saw ##c
pepsi that wasnt fun either
lilo it wasn't a big deal
pepsi im almost positive i made a stink about it then too
lilo I'm sorry you're upset about it, but it hasn't been a big problem
lilo I'm sure you did, it's clear it upsets you
pepsi what upsets me is that its a policy that is only enforced when its convenient
lilo then it hasn't been convenient yet
lilo because it has never been 'enforced'
pepsi then why did #c move? as i understand its cause they lost control of it
pepsi im done i guess
pepsi i just wanted to make a stink
lilo they moved after I explained to them that there was no deadline
lilo somebody must have told them it was being 'enforced' 
lilo if you move, it's easy to make sure you have the new channel name early, and nobody else picks it up
lilo one less thing to worry about
pepsi i suppose
pepsi ##electronics has existed for months
lilo what usually happens is that some traditional ircer invites me to a channel to explain why I'm forcing them to move
pepsi just nobody every joined it
lilo and after a long discussion where I'm trying to talk about the reasons for the policy, and they're accusing me of fascism, I finally manage to get out that it's not being enforced for the forseeable future and there's no deadline ;)
lilo I guess there's something about the two hashes that makes traditional irc users upset
pepsi talking about facist lilo seems to be the in-thing to do on freenode
lilo not really
lilo just on the channels that seem to have a high efnet user content
lilo but you know, it's hard to see it as being that big a deal
lilo half of the six largest channels on the network atm are 'about' channels
lilo maybe this is just a cheesy network, or maybe nobody really worries about it
pepsi i dunno
pepsi i hang out in a bunch of double hash channels anyhow, :P
lilo #perl hasn't changed, I guess they just  aren't worried about it
lilo I talk to everybody, but they just haven't been interested
lilo so maybe they'll have problems at the last minute, but not because nobody told 'em about the policy
pepsi so will udontknow stop following me if idisconnect KissMyAssDblHash? :(
lilo you do get that it's about your being obnoxious, not anything personal, right? I mean, I'm sure he's irritated, but I'd be telling him to lay off if it wasn't about anything you did
lilo as to me, there's lilofree.net ..... I think I can handle someone being obsessively annoying about me ;)
lilo you've joined the ranks of the scary people, that's all.... it's not my problem
pepsi i know.. im an asswipe
lilo I imagine I can just ask him to let it go if you can
pepsi not much i can say about that
lilo I think it's important people be able to create their own reputations, good or bad ;)
lilo so you drop it and I'll ask him to drop it, no harm, no foul, as long as there's not anything else going on
pepsi well im done with the doublehash thing really.. i knew this was gunna happen every since ##c, , but #electronics was my home, so it bothered me to see it get redirected
lilo erm, when did they move?
pepsi today
lilo I can't remember
lilo they moved today?
pepsi ya
lilo oh....no wonder it has that feeling of immediacy to you
lilo I haven't kept track of who's moved and who hasn't, other than the ones I'm involved with
lilo kay, I'll ask him to chill out if you can manage to
pepsi yeah, we were told over and over that it would happen "someday soon"
lilo (sorry about that)
lilo well, at least they gave you some warning
pepsi but it kept being put off for months
pepsi so i assumed it would just always be put off ;)
lilo yeah....none of it will always be put off
lilo I have no reason to ask people to do stuff that the whole network isn't going to be doing eventually
lilo (I can't even remember if I asked on that one....probably I did and it's been so long I forgot about it 8)
lilo the thing is, I see volunteerism and "unofficialism" as being a good thing
lilo people are so wrapped up in getting "the" name they seem to care more about the name than the quality of work they do
pepsi i can relax about it now,, the scene has already neen made, many people annoyed
lilo yeah, I guess they'll get over it
pepsi and the actual name doesnt realy matter
pepsi its just whatever you get used to
lilo it really doesn't.... you guys do good things
pepsi thats why iits kind of bothersome to see the policy go unenforced
lilo people told me #linpeople was a sucky name, until they all seemed to want to own it on various networks, then the channel sort of faded away when it got less active
lilo it's what you do, not what you get called
pepsi how many new channels are forming with a single hash when they should be an about channel?
pepsi and then more people will be pissed
lilo well, the faq is pretty clear on it.... I should probably modify services to ask if they're sure and so on
lilo probably not that many....a *lot* of the channels here are official
pepsi i know
pepsi but i can just start "pooface" if i want
pepsi er #pooface
lilo you can, but I doubt you'll get upset if you end up getting forwarded to ##pooface
lilo it'll probably be pretty transparent
lilo so anyway, if you want to shut down that client I'll tell Udontknow to chill out
lilo I've got to get to sleep pretty soon
lilo strictly speaking I should probably kline the thing anyway, it's harassment
lilo but I'd rather not get all excited over it
lilo thanks
pepsi i didnt mean anything personal by it either, altthough it it was personal i guess.. just wanted to bother peopl
lilo well, bear in mind I'm kind of a people person, or I wouldn't have started this place
lilo I should develop a thicker skin about that stuff, but the truth is I think it would make it harder for me to do my job well
lilo so it kind of sucks when people do that stuff
pepsi :( i know.. itd suck to be managing a server and see people using the server to tell you that you suck and should die
pepsi but i dont know
lilo yeah, that definitely sucks when it happens 8)
pepsi i have to get started on work
pepsi sorry for the commotion
lilo np