(15:37:50) TekAdmin20XX: is the documentation of rivendell free?
(15:39:03) zotz: TekAdmin20XX, libre or gratis?
(15:40:29) TekAdmin20XX: well can someone copy it for informational use on say antoher wiki
(15:40:38) TekAdmin20XX: isntead of REWRITING it all over again
(15:40:54) TekAdmin20XX: ohh libre no monet involved here
(15:41:00) TekAdmin20XX: jsut the sharing of information
(15:45:12) zotz: as far as i know, it is currently gratis but not libre
(15:45:24) zotz: word is that as of next update it will be libre as well.
(15:45:35) zotz: Going to BY-SA iirc.
(15:49:28) TekAdmin20XX: so that's a no?
(15:50:24) zotz: as far as i knowright now it is not libre - it has the CC NC option in the liecnse
(15:51:49) zotz: spellering is orrible today what gov?
(15:53:59) TekAdmin20XX: so I need to clarify I didn't want to post to the list for this
(15:54:16) TekAdmin20XX: WE CANNOT copy the text or wiki for informational relay correct?
(15:54:37) zotz: not if it is for commercial purposes and that can be a very broad term
(15:54:44) TekAdmin20XX: not commercial
(15:54:47) TekAdmin20XX: educational
(15:54:50) zotz: ask your lawyer if you want a yes or a no directly.
(15:54:51) TekAdmin20XX: as in isntructional
(15:55:23) zotz: well, go search the CC mailing lists for the non-commercial discussions - it is hairy.
(15:55:38) zotz: if you have ads on the page - it is commercial
(15:55:40) zotz: etc...
(15:55:53) TekAdmin20XX: its a WIKI no ads
(15:55:59) zotz: if the web site is for a corporation - it is commercial
(15:56:01) zotz: etc.
(15:56:05) TekAdmin20XX: lol
(15:56:23) zotz: i would not do it
(15:56:27) TekAdmin20XX: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Main_Page
(15:56:33) zotz: certainly not without legal advice
(15:57:12) TekAdmin20XX: ok seems lame that a company that made such a nice free software had th foresite to screw up their way of sharing information, lame but for rivendell and salem certainly not unexpected
(15:57:34) zotz: nope - just not perhaps thought through
(15:57:44) TekAdmin20XX: that's an understatement
(15:57:55) zotz: we just discussed this recently here on the lists iic. it should go BY-SA for the next version
(15:58:08) zotz: did you not catch the discussion?
(15:58:59) TekAdmin20XX: yeah I watched everyone stuble all over each other
(15:59:49) TekAdmin20XX: seems to me if its free it should be FREE, I have an idea, ill let them sue me for sharing with an educational resource, its a good bet we have better lawyers then they o lol :)
(16:00:01) zotz: in the non-software world, it can be very hard to find Free Content. Especially with those using CC licenses. Most people seem to be in love with the NC option.
(16:00:20) TekAdmin20XX: NC?
(16:00:30) zotz: NC = non-commercial
(16:00:35) TekAdmin20XX: ahhhh
(16:01:03) zotz: eg: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/
(16:01:13) TekAdmin20XX: well if they want to chase after us for using the docuntation that represents the software I guess they can
(16:01:16) zotz: and: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/legalcode
(16:01:16) TekAdmin20XX: seems silly to me
(16:01:32) TekAdmin20XX: use the software, downlaod it, run it, but don't tell anyone about it
(16:01:36) TekAdmin20XX: lame!
(16:01:37) zotz: you may get yourself in trouble with the other side as well...
(16:01:45) TekAdmin20XX: yeah I thought of htat
(16:01:49) TekAdmin20XX: im checking on that
(16:02:33) zotz: why not just post a link to the docs from the wiki page?
(16:03:13) TekAdmin20XX: im checkingall avenues but the beginning of the article will rely heavily on the docs already in play
(16:03:25) TekAdmin20XX: no sense rewriting it all(15:37:50) TekAdmin20XX: is the documentation of rivendell free?
(15:39:03) zotz: TekAdmin20XX, libre or gratis?
(15:40:29) TekAdmin20XX: well can someone copy it for informational use on say antoher wiki
(15:40:38) TekAdmin20XX: isntead of REWRITING it all over again
(15:40:54) TekAdmin20XX: ohh libre no monet involved here
(15:41:00) TekAdmin20XX: jsut the sharing of information
(15:45:12) zotz: as far as i know, it is currently gratis but not libre
(15:45:24) zotz: word is that as of next update it will be libre as well.
(15:45:35) zotz: Going to BY-SA iirc.
(15:49:28) TekAdmin20XX: so that's a no?
(15:50:24) zotz: as far as i knowright now it is not libre - it has the CC NC option in the liecnse
(15:51:49) zotz: spellering is orrible today what gov?
(15:53:59) TekAdmin20XX: so I need to clarify I didn't want to post to the list for this
(15:54:16) TekAdmin20XX: WE CANNOT copy the text or wiki for informational relay correct?
(15:54:37) zotz: not if it is for commercial purposes and that can be a very broad term
(15:54:44) TekAdmin20XX: not commercial
(15:54:47) TekAdmin20XX: educational
(15:54:50) zotz: ask your lawyer if you want a yes or a no directly.
(15:54:51) TekAdmin20XX: as in isntructional
(15:55:23) zotz: well, go search the CC mailing lists for the non-commercial discussions - it is hairy.
(15:55:38) zotz: if you have ads on the page - it is commercial
(15:55:40) zotz: etc...
(15:55:53) TekAdmin20XX: its a WIKI no ads
(15:55:59) zotz: if the web site is for a corporation - it is commercial
(15:56:01) zotz: etc.
(15:56:05) TekAdmin20XX: lol
(15:56:23) zotz: i would not do it
(15:56:27) TekAdmin20XX: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity:Main_Page
(15:56:33) zotz: certainly not without legal advice
(15:57:12) TekAdmin20XX: ok seems lame that a company that made such a nice free software had th foresite to screw up their way of sharing information, lame but for rivendell and salem certainly not unexpected
(15:57:34) zotz: nope - just not perhaps thought through
(15:57:44) TekAdmin20XX: that's an understatement
(15:57:55) zotz: we just discussed this recently here on the lists iic. it should go BY-SA for the next version
(15:58:08) zotz: did you not catch the discussion?
(15:58:59) TekAdmin20XX: yeah I watched everyone stuble all over each other
(15:59:49) TekAdmin20XX: seems to me if its free it should be FREE, I have an idea, ill let them sue me for sharing with an educational resource, its a good bet we have better lawyers then they o lol :)
(16:00:01) zotz: in the non-software world, it can be very hard to find Free Content. Especially with those using CC licenses. Most people seem to be in love with the NC option.
(16:00:20) TekAdmin20XX: NC?
(16:00:30) zotz: NC = non-commercial
(16:00:35) TekAdmin20XX: ahhhh
(16:01:03) zotz: eg: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/
(16:01:13) TekAdmin20XX: well if they want to chase after us for using the docuntation that represents the software I guess they can
(16:01:16) zotz: and: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/legalcode
(16:01:16) TekAdmin20XX: seems silly to me
(16:01:32) TekAdmin20XX: use the software, downlaod it, run it, but don't tell anyone about it
(16:01:36) TekAdmin20XX: lame!
(16:01:37) zotz: you may get yourself in trouble with the other side as well...
(16:01:45) TekAdmin20XX: yeah I thought of htat
(16:01:49) TekAdmin20XX: im checking on that
(16:02:33) zotz: why not just post a link to the docs from the wiki page?
(16:03:13) TekAdmin20XX: im checkingall avenues but the beginning of the article will rely heavily on the docs already in play
(16:03:25) TekAdmin20XX: no sense rewriting it all