15:18:53 <+luckz> is it me or is orthos unstable shit?
15:19:23 <+luckz> it seems to go up to 73 degrees, then orthos dies, then chipset goes back down to 55 degrees within two minutes
15:20:04 <+descenterace> no, that'll be your CPU that's unstable
15:20:15 <+luckz> well, uh, it's orthos that freezes
15:20:16 <+luckz> not my cpu
15:20:20 <+descenterace> needs moar cooling
15:20:38 <+luckz> this is all the cooling I can technically give the chipset.
15:20:39 <+descenterace> ... if your CPU is producing incorrect results of operations, it's quite possible for an app to freeze
15:21:12 <+descenterace> also: 73 DEGREES C?!?!?!
15:21:43 <+descenterace> hell, I consider 55C to be uncomfortably warm for a chipset
15:21:58 <+descenterace> what's it clocked up to?
15:22:08 <+luckz> 14:20:41 <+luckz> my bios says I'm at like 40 degrees
15:22:08 <+luckz> 14:20:44 <+luckz> mbm says I'm at 74
15:22:08 <+luckz> 14:20:46 <+luckz> your call who you believe
15:22:23 <+luckz> now it's down to 47 according to mbm
15:22:32 <+luckz> as in 71, 47, 55
15:22:42 <+descenterace> well, since the BIOS and the MBM use the same instrumentation...
15:23:02 <+luckz> I know they do.
15:23:07 <+luckz> yet I get *completely* different results
15:23:25 <+luckz> I overclocked fsb to get to 2700
15:23:47 <+luckz> (saitek-related bsod annoyed me so I overclocked something random)
15:24:20 <+luckz> the orthos cpu&ram test yesterday gave me an error after an hour and ten
15:24:33 <+luckz> 2:Self-test 896K passed!
15:24:33 <+luckz> 2:Test 1, 5300 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M14942209 using 768K FFT length.
15:24:33 <+luckz> 1:FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
15:24:33 <+luckz> 1:Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
15:24:33 <+luckz> 1:Torture Test ran 1 hours, 10 minutes 37 seconds - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
15:24:34 <+luckz> 1:Execution halted.
15:24:44 <+descenterace> usually depends on interpretation of the numbers said instrumentation is producing. what type of board is it? ABit BIOS tends to overestimate.
15:24:52 <+luckz> so I wanted to try the orthos gromacs cpu test
15:24:54 <+luckz> and then the ram one
15:25:01 <+luckz> to see if I can isolate the issue
15:25:11 <+luckz> DFI.
15:26:04 <+luckz> I'm at 71, 44, 55 now
15:26:23 <+luckz> starting orthos->ram
15:26:38 <+descenterace> exactly how noticeable is the benefit from overclocking, and what percentage overclock is it?
15:27:28 <+luckz> now after 1 minute it's already up to 73, 52, 55
15:27:42 <+luckz> 2400 -> 2700 or so
15:28:02 <+descenterace> and are you overclocking the graphics card?
15:28:18 <+luckz> dunno, would that be important?
15:28:52 <+descenterace> tbh, overclocking the CPU for games performance is largely pointless. most of them rely more on graphics card speed
15:28:53 <+luckz> not overclocking gfx card.
15:28:55 <+luckz> according to control panel.
15:28:56 <+luckz> uh
15:29:01 <+luckz> games depend on cpu often enough.
15:29:01 <+descenterace> but O/Cing the gfx card is dangerous
15:29:07 <+descenterace> really?
15:29:17 <+luckz> gpu claims to be at 54°
15:29:25 <+descenterace> can't say i've got a game that really tested my CPU
15:29:37 <+descenterace> even one core of it
15:29:44 <+luckz> UT games basically only ever cared for the CPU. it's a tradition.
15:30:34 <+luckz> 64° atm
15:30:42 <+luckz> so withn 4 minutes, I gained 20°
15:30:56 <+descenterace> My old 3500 could cope with UT2K3/4 just fine. the bottleneck was the Radeon 9700 Pro.
15:31:13 <+luckz> well, the 9700 also is as old as my ti4600, no?
15:31:26 <+luckz> read: extremely old
15:32:58 <+luckz> btw
15:33:09 <+luckz> it also displays a cpu speed of 400ghz at times, orthos :)
15:33:30 <+luckz> yesterday it claimed I had 350 ghz when I was talking to my mother and glanced at the pc
15:40:03 <+descenterace> Radeon 9700 Pro is as old, yes, but it was of one of the generations where ATI left nVidia standing.
15:40:58 <+descenterace> it competes favourably with the GF5-series, IIRC
15:41:16 <+descenterace> the 9800 was... well... it's STILL a good card
15:41:53 <+GLn> hmm, had a 3000xp and a 9800, the 9800 was the thing that made the system run out
15:41:59 <+GLn> you can still play just about anything on a 3000xp
15:42:03 <+descenterace> exactly
15:42:10 <+descenterace> gfx card is ALWAYS the bottleneck
15:42:26 <+descenterace> that's been the case ever since the 2GHz barrier was smashed
15:42:39 <+GLn> but your 3500 was later than the 9700 by quite a bit IIRC
15:43:15 <+descenterace> true, but the XP2600 prior to that had no trouble with UT2K3
15:43:15 <+GLn> don't think there were any 3500s on sale when I bought my old computer
15:43:46 <+GLn> just meaning that saying the 9700 was the bottleneck...its because it was previous generation in that case
15:44:37 <+descenterace> i mean it was disproportionately so
15:44:57 <+GLn> mmm
15:45:09 <+GLn> I'd probably still be on the 3000 if it hadn't been AGP to be honest
15:46:05 <+GLn> but supreme commander seems cpu bottlenecked for a lot of people
15:47:04 <+luckz> I shall pimp my bios.
15:47:14 <+luckz> the GF4 series was overheating crap.
15:47:56 <+luckz> descenterace: my girlfriend's comp combines a 3500+ with a 7800, or something
15:48:24 <+luckz> GLn: well, retail will hopefully have proper multicore code
15:48:25 <+luckz> or so they claim
15:48:41 <+GLn> mmm, but I don't have multicore :(
15:48:56 <+luckz> uh
15:48:57 <+luckz> bios question
15:49:00 <+luckz> what is bootblock
15:49:02 <+luckz> what is DMI area?
15:53:22 <&WildFir3> don't touch them
15:54:15 <+luckz> lol
15:54:22 <+luckz> WinFlash wants to flash them for me ^_^
15:54:30 <&WildFir3> kek
15:54:32 <&WildFir3> nah it's fine
15:54:41 <+luckz> I'm just waiting for orthos to die again
15:54:44 <&WildFir3> tho you prob only need to update the  bootblock really
15:54:48 <+luckz> then I'll flash bios, reboot, fix ram majorly, etc
15:54:50 <&WildFir3> it's probably sensible to wipe both
15:55:16 <+luckz> ("load optimized defaults" basically means "load SafeFail(tm) settings")
15:55:30 <+luckz> 70 again, btw.
15:56:03 <+luckz> maybe I really need that huge zalman fan for my gfx card
15:56:11 <+luckz> to co-cool the chipset under it
16:00:12 <+luckz> lol. I have an idea.
16:00:21 <+luckz> I will write down my ram timings from cpu-z^:D
16:00:38 <+luckz> cas latency 2, ras cas 3, ras precharge 2, tras 5
16:03:17 <+luckz> (72°)
16:03:25 <+luckz> I think it basically implodes at 73, 74
16:03:28 <+luckz> harr
16:03:33 <+luckz> I will try to delay exploding with a huge fan
16:04:48 <+luckz> lol
16:04:51 <+luckz> down to 66° :D
16:04:56 <+luckz> 64.
16:05:16 <+luckz> (mainboard-sized fan)
16:05:28 <+luckz> 74 / 61 / 45
16:06:49 <+luckz> gfx card also down to 46
16:07:07 <+luckz> so 8 degrees down there while the chipset is 16 degrees down