03:33:01 <~Gnug615> luckz - how do you like the kandalf case you have? 03:34:40 <+luckz> it's a pretty good case, especially considering that it's big enough to hold many HDs yet still technically capable of being carried to a lan. 03:34:48 <+luckz> the weird front doors make carrying it a bit more annoying 03:34:58 <+luckz> (but the circle gives you something to grab it by) 03:35:05 <+luckz> and the feet are a question of opinion 03:35:19 <+luckz> for all I know they help protect people under me from hearing my pc vibrate 03:35:49 <+luckz> the side door/window is very nice to use compared to things requiring screws (like my lian li) 03:35:59 <+luckz> however it would be even better with an extra fan 03:36:21 <+luckz> (I don't really feel like cutting fan holes into the plastic window thing) 03:36:49 <+luckz> the clips used for pci stuff are really annoying and always in the way when dealing with bigger cards, but with a bit of violence they're removable 03:37:26 <+luckz> I dunno why but the pci slot covers are also near-impossible to remove, requires some violence 03:37:46 <+luckz> removable mainboard tray wouldn't hurt it, either 03:38:39 <+luckz> I guess the option to upgrade to BTX is theoretically nice to have, however BTX has the issue that no mainboards exist -> no cases get made for it -> no mainboard maker can afford to offer a btx mobo as there are no cases 03:39:00 <+luckz> I believe there hasn't ever been a btx board for amd cpus 03:40:28 <+luckz> using odd clips instead of screws to put in optical drives also was something I hadn't seen yet, but those clips at least work well (and you can always remove them/use screws instead, if I'm not mistaken) 03:41:11 <+luckz> USB, firewire and audio ports at the top are really nice (much nicer than ones at the front as lian li do them if the computer is actually to your side), but of course also require your hardware to support them and you to manage the cabling 03:42:11 <+luckz> finding the right pin layout is always an adventure there because the name your mobo or pci card uses for each connector is 100% guranteed to be different from what your case uses 03:42:25 <+luckz> I had that issue on both my last pcs. 03:43:14 <+luckz> maybe less with the thermaltake because i already knew the basics. thermaltake manuals also have a larger command over the english language than those by lianli. 03:59:38 <~Gnug615> very good summary, thanks 04:01:03 <~Gnug615> I'm sort of torn about what case to get - I was looking at the lian li pc60plus and it looks pretty decent - it won't hold all the drives my coolermaster stacker will, but I don't think that's necessarily an issue due to the space I'll already have from it