(01:19:00 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: wine hackers may be interested in this stuff: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/cairo/2007-February/009707.html
(01:19:35 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: in short, I tested cairo's (cairographics.org) windows backend using winelib, and while it generally works, lots of rendering operations fail.
(01:20:08 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: humm, did my messages make it to the room?
(01:20:12 AM) vitamin: behdad, yeah well that's a dead end
(01:20:25 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: why do you keep saying that?
(01:20:40 AM) vitamin: Wine is not the OS
(01:20:41 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: I got where I wanted to get.
(01:20:45 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: so?
(01:20:56 AM) vitamin: behdad, It should not have WM
(01:21:10 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: what does WM has to do with my stuff?
(01:21:14 AM) vitamin: behdad, if you need ONE MORE WM - you should be looking at something else!
(01:21:27 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: I totally can't follow you
(01:21:31 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: what do you mean by WM?
(01:21:35 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: window manager I suppose?
(01:21:37 AM) vitamin: WTF cairo?
(01:21:56 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: cairo is a graphics rendering library.  it's used by gtk+ on all platforms, including windows.
(01:22:08 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: it draws lines and curvers.
(01:22:26 AM) vitamin: Ok it's then another layer on top on another layer of ... stuff
(01:22:39 AM) vitamin: Why would ANY ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND do that?
(01:23:13 AM) vitamin: I just don't see the need for "yet another library" to do what already is possible with EVERYTHING else!
(01:23:13 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: because it's a unified API for doing graphics to screen and to PS, PDF, SVG, OpenGL, ..., on lots of platforms
(01:23:25 AM) vitamin: sure aha right....
(01:23:33 AM) ***Mongoose is away: /_\ zzZzZZZZzz
(01:23:36 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: I'm not going to discuss that here.  you are more than welcome to join #cairo
(01:23:52 AM) vitamin: You give the link here, not there
(01:23:59 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: but yeah, that's the idea.  you can generate PS/PDF and render to X, windows, OS X the same code
(01:24:10 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: I posted to the cairo mailing list.
(01:24:11 AM) vitamin: If you think that having some gtk+ lib running on top of Wine is cool - well you wrong
(01:24:34 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: but as I wrote at the end of my email, wine developer may be interested in testing that, as it exposed some rendering bugs in winelib.
(01:24:58 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: vitamin: ok.  I admit you have proved me wrong, if that helps.
(01:25:01 AM) vitamin: could be
(01:25:28 AM) vitamin: Wine has lots of problems if you start talking about 2 pixels of what it have to be
(01:25:43 AM) vitamin: hell the freetype lib has lots of bugs that cause Wine to crash 
(01:25:45 AM) vitamin: So what?
(01:26:09 AM) vitamin: Hell xorg has nasty bugs that haven't been fixed in ages and no one in the hurry to fix them!
(01:26:12 AM) vitamin: So what?
(01:26:57 AM) vitamin: behdad, if you point to a bug in Wine.... fix it! You have enough knowladge in the area to find the bug.
(01:27:28 AM) ***vitamin goes to bed
(01:27:28 AM) vitamin left the room (quit: "Leaving").
(01:27:50 AM) Behdad Esfahbod: who's this vitamin guy btw?