Jan 14 17:01:01 davyd   kikidonk: yes
Jan 14 17:01:38 kikidonk        davyd: look at Teh horror: http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar-p.png
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Jan 14 17:01:54 kikidonk        we plan to replace or at least allow both ui in deskbar applet
Jan 14 17:02:22 kikidonk        thoughs ?
Jan 14 17:02:24 davyd   kikidonk: woo, you've got my thing bookmarked
Jan 14 17:02:25 kikidonk        thoughts ?
Jan 14 17:02:30 kikidonk        davyd: hehe :)
Jan 14 17:02:41 kikidonk        i love to see your head from time to time
Jan 14 17:02:41 davyd   are all the section collapses really required?
Jan 14 17:02:52 davyd   they look cool, but isn't it going to drive people up the wall?
Jan 14 17:02:54 kikidonk        no they will be open by default
Jan 14 17:03:16 davyd   ok
Jan 14 17:03:18 kikidonk        well, i find it clearer
Jan 14 17:03:22 davyd   it might be worth experimenting with remembering how they were set previously
Jan 14 17:03:26 kikidonk        of course the categoriez need organization
Jan 14 17:03:39 kikidonk        in fact we plan on open by default/remember closed one policy
Jan 14 17:03:59 *       davyd nods
Jan 14 17:04:03 kikidonk        and we will use a toggle button in the panel instead of directly the entry
Jan 14 17:04:17 kikidonk        so it takes less space, works in vertical setup..
Jan 14 17:04:20 davyd   so how does the toggle button work?
Jan 14 17:04:27 davyd   I don't just type into the applet to show the list?
Jan 14 17:04:40 kikidonk        well keyboard shortcut and left click directly open/focus the entry
Jan 14 17:04:51 kikidonk        middle click might open+paste in the entry
Jan 14 17:05:01 kikidonk        and right click bring the applet context menu
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Jan 14 17:05:26 kikidonk        and the dropdown button is the history, like the browsers
Jan 14 17:05:35 kikidonk        (look at the back button)
Jan 14 17:05:41 kikidonk        in epiphany, i mean
Jan 14 17:05:43 kikidonk        or nautilus
Jan 14 17:06:04 davyd   is this in CVS now?
Jan 14 17:06:37 luis    kikidonk: that hurts my eyes
Jan 14 17:06:38 luis    :)
Jan 14 17:07:01 kikidonk        davyd: no, we have no time, we are in exams, but we pla to merge it right after
Jan 14 17:07:06 kikidonk        luis: is that good or bad :P
Jan 14 17:08:00 kikidonk        in theory there is no change in the way it works for the user point of view
Jan 14 17:08:09 davyd   I quite like the way it is working in CVS, although I was confused by the change of icon from the magnifing glass
Jan 14 17:08:10 kikidonk        click type enter
Jan 14 17:08:16 davyd   (which I instantly associated with search)
Jan 14 17:08:40 kikidonk        ah yes, notice that that new icon reintroduce the magnifing glass
Jan 14 17:08:58 kikidonk        and is prettier since it's bigger
Jan 14 17:09:21 davyd   so, you click the arrow to slide the bar out, this is for vertical panels?
Jan 14 17:09:35 kikidonk        for both
Jan 14 17:09:46 kikidonk        but the direction will adapt
Jan 14 17:09:56 davyd   so it will work like Apple's thingy?
Jan 14 17:09:59 kikidonk        the screenshot would be for a panel on the left
Jan 14 17:10:14 kikidonk        i don't know, i never seen it in real life
Jan 14 17:10:23 kikidonk        but i guess so, from the screenshots
Jan 14 17:10:28 davyd   while I support that as a UI choice, would it be possible to keep the bar on your panel as an option?
Jan 14 17:10:52 kikidonk        yes, we wanted to have a checkbox in the preferences
Jan 14 17:10:59 kikidonk        to toggle old/new style
Jan 14 17:11:04 kikidonk        with new style as default
Jan 14 17:11:07 davyd   don't call it 'old new style'
Jan 14 17:11:09 kikidonk        hehe
Jan 14 17:11:15 kikidonk        i know, but i need to find a way
Jan 14 17:11:24 kikidonk        [ ] Use entry in the panel sounds very techy
Jan 14 17:11:50 davyd   with autoapply it should be obvious what it does
Jan 14 17:12:00 kikidonk        yes, but it still needs a label ?
Jan 14 17:12:07 davyd   [ ] Show deskbar directly on the panel
Jan 14 17:12:09 davyd   perhaps?
Jan 14 17:12:18 kikidonk        yes
Jan 14 17:12:27 kikidonk        something like that, i'll keep it handy
Jan 14 17:12:38 davyd   so, I understand what the first button, the slider does, what does the second button do?
Jan 14 17:12:41 kikidonk        but the thing is
Jan 14 17:12:48 davyd   the one that is depressed in your screenshot
Jan 14 17:12:48 kikidonk        the second button is the history
Jan 14 17:12:56 kikidonk        like in web browsers
Jan 14 17:13:04 davyd   so, you're showing the history at the moment?
Jan 14 17:13:11 kikidonk        available in the current while clicking with left button in the icon
Jan 14 17:13:29 kikidonk        the screenshots show the live thing
Jan 14 17:13:41 davyd   the history button looks depressed
Jan 14 17:13:44 kikidonk        so the toggle ith the icon in it is the live thing
Jan 14 17:13:52 kikidonk        and the one with the arrow is the history
Jan 14 17:14:04 davyd   hmm, that's not obvious
Jan 14 17:14:15 davyd   as a suggestion, perhaps have one single toggle
Jan 14 17:14:28 kikidonk        but we have the problem of where to trigger history
Jan 14 17:14:30 davyd   but then how to make the history available....
Jan 14 17:14:40 kikidonk        the most obvious way
Jan 14 17:14:41 davyd   perhaps as a dropdown to the TextEntry
Jan 14 17:14:47 kikidonk        is to use that browser history widget
Jan 14 17:14:56 davyd   make it a GtkComboEntry perhaps
Jan 14 17:15:10 kikidonk        ah
Jan 14 17:15:15 kikidonk        not a bad idea
Jan 14 17:15:22 kikidonk        but it requires two clicks then
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Jan 14 17:15:26 kikidonk        one to expand the entry
Jan 14 17:15:31 kikidonk        and another one to open the combobox
Jan 14 17:15:41 davyd   perhaps have a secondary mode, that if you click and hold the toggle, the history appears
Jan 14 17:15:55 kikidonk        in fact i see in the screenshot that the expanded panel is misaligned with the history toggle while it should align with the bottom button
Jan 14 17:16:19 kikidonk        hmm, that's not very discoverable
Jan 14 17:16:25 kikidonk        i'd say not discoverable at all
Jan 14 17:16:32 kikidonk        since noone never hold a toggle button pressed
Jan 14 17:16:37 davyd   yeah, it's a bit of a mac-thing
Jan 14 17:16:47 davyd   not such a great idea for us
Jan 14 17:17:02 kikidonk        i don't think so
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Jan 14 17:17:23 davyd   I have wondered though, if the history on the existing applet should be available through a little down arrow on the right hand side of the applet
Jan 14 17:17:27 davyd   and the icon should be made inert
Jan 14 17:17:34 kikidonk        but when you see it horizontally it's clearer than the arrow is the history and the icon is the live thing
Jan 14 17:17:57 davyd   kikidonk: I can visualise that, but it's certainly not clear vertically
Jan 14 17:18:16 kikidonk        maybe tweaking the margins and sizes it can be made clearer
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Jan 14 17:18:22 kikidonk        or just by writing History in it
Jan 14 17:18:34 kikidonk        in vertical mode we can write History
Jan 14 17:18:49 kikidonk        and for the current pplet it's an interesting idea
Jan 14 17:18:55 kikidonk        a bit like the current mini-commander ?
Jan 14 17:19:04 davyd   let me find you a picture
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Jan 14 17:20:19 davyd   damnit, it's 404ed
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Jan 14 17:20:50 davyd   kikidonk: not a typical GTK+ widget dropdown, but a little downwards pointing black triangle at the end of the widget
Jan 14 17:21:00 davyd   inside the text entry
Jan 14 17:21:04 kikidonk        hmm
Jan 14 17:21:06 davyd   not sure how it would look
Jan 14 17:21:18 kikidonk        so instead of the magnifing glass ?
Jan 14 17:21:22 kikidonk        or the current blue arrow
Jan 14 17:21:29 kikidonk        a downward arrow ?
Jan 14 17:21:35 davyd   I think the mag glass and the blue arrow together will work
Jan 14 17:21:42 davyd   you just need to put that into the current applet
Jan 14 17:21:47 kikidonk        so i composite the two ?
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Jan 14 17:21:53 davyd   perhaps
Jan 14 17:21:57 davyd   like in your screenshot
Jan 14 17:22:01 kikidonk        and arrow above or under the glass ?
Jan 14 17:22:04 kikidonk        ah yes
Jan 14 17:22:07 davyd   the single down arrow is confusing
Jan 14 17:22:13 kikidonk        yes
Jan 14 17:22:16 kikidonk        i'll do that
Jan 14 17:22:31 kikidonk        and by the way i implemented your feature
Jan 14 17:22:34 kikidonk        the history completion
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Jan 14 17:22:43 davyd   yeah, I've checked it out
Jan 14 17:22:54 kikidonk        i hope it's ok :)
Jan 14 17:23:18 davyd   seems to work
Jan 14 17:23:28 davyd   I haven't rebooted in some time, is history remembered across restarts?
Jan 14 17:23:31 kikidonk        yes, in fact there is a little bug i just corrected in CVS
Jan 14 17:23:33 kikidonk        yes
Jan 14 17:23:38 kikidonk        from 0.8.7
Jan 14 17:23:49 kikidonk        and it's also shared between instances
Jan 14 17:24:22 davyd   yep, I tested that
Jan 14 17:24:32 davyd   there is still that xinerama screen edge problem
Jan 14 17:24:38 davyd   I should try and take a look at that for you
Jan 14 17:24:48 kikidonk        yes it may very well be a gtkentrycompletion problem
Jan 14 17:24:56 kikidonk        and hopefully the new UI also fixes that
Jan 14 17:25:06 kikidonk        also the new UI allows easily to ellipsize text
Jan 14 17:25:16 kikidonk        in fact there is more control since it's a plain treeview
Jan 14 17:25:27 kikidonk        while entrycompletion is a mere gtk hack, by having looked at the code
Jan 14 17:25:55 davyd   at least it's not written in Fortran ;)