[00:19] Thumper_: my servers pipe their logs directly to the remote webserver
[00:19] Thumper_: so my website gets live log feeds on all the servers (currently 48 I think)
[00:19] Tropican8: wow
[00:19] Thumper_: from 3 bzflag server hosts
[00:19] Tropican8: how much hdd space does that take up?
[00:19] Thumper_: not much
[00:20] Thumper_: my entire webserver is in 10G and half of that is free
[00:20] Tropican8: wow
[00:21] Thumper_: all the logs I've ever collected is a total of 
[00:21] Thumper_: 184M    bzflag.bz.norang.ca/logs
[00:21] Thumper_: 79M     bzflag.bzflag2.norang.ca/logs
[00:21] Thumper_: 15M     bzflag.bzflag3.norang.ca/logs
[00:21] Thumper_: 276M    total
[00:21] Thumper_: they're currently just flat text files and gzipped
[00:21] Thumper_: the website reads those directly
[00:21] Thumper_: logs are closed and zipped at the end of the day UTC
[00:21] Tropican8: have you actually viewed the logs for any reason?
[00:22] Thumper_: all the time
[00:22] Thumper_: the webserver has access to them all
[00:22] Tropican8: I used to log but realized I never really needed to access them.
[00:23] Thumper_: want to see it?
[00:24] Tropican8: uh, ok
[00:24] Thumper_: (Link: http://bzflag.bzflag2.norang.ca/)http://bzflag.bzflag2.norang.ca/
[00:25] Thumper_: top right is a [Administrator Access] link
[00:25] Thumper_: hit that and enter Tropican8/trop for user/pwd
[00:26] Thumper_: that's just the servers on the mofo host
[00:26] Thumper_: the player list is live
[00:26] Tropican8: no chat logging?
[00:26] Thumper_: sure there is
[00:26] Thumper_: see the active server?
[00:26] Thumper_: 4418
[00:26] Thumper_: hit the Logs link
[00:27] Thumper_: then Search
[00:27] Thumper_: all the output is straight from the logDetail plugin
[00:27] Tropican8: oh wow
[00:27] Tropican8: msgs shows private messages?
[00:27] Thumper_: you can go to any day you want with the 2006/2007 links
[00:28] Thumper_: yes
[00:28] Thumper_: everything
[00:28] Thumper_: (from a chat perspective)
[00:28] Thumper_: same thing debug mode does
[00:28] Thumper_: also there is a language filter in place
[00:28] Tropican8: only formatted nicer ;-)
[00:28] Thumper_: the website gets unfiltered chat
[00:28] Thumper_: the debug output is ambiguous
[00:28] Thumper_: so I wrote hte logDetail plugin to make it easy to parse 
[00:29] Thumper_: the website is a little icky but it's better than nothing
[00:29] Thumper_: also if you reload it's live
[00:29] Thumper_: you can restrict the display of time by hours too so the reload is faster
[00:29] Thumper_: I'll join...
[00:29] Thumper_: ok i'm there
[00:30] Thumper_: if you hit the Home link I show up as an admin
[00:30] Thumper_: on the summary page with players
[00:30] Tropican8: heh
[00:30] Tropican8: I do have to say, this is far from icky
[00:31] Thumper_: the summary page also has the last chat time on each server
[00:31] Thumper_: so you can review servers chat fairly efficiently
[00:31] Thumper_: the website code doesn't scale well at all
[00:31] Thumper_: it started as just my cable modem and it kind of exploded into multiple hosts and it was never designed for that
[00:32] Thumper_: also there's a Players link at the top that searches all of my server logs (from all servers/ all hosts)
[00:32] Thumper_: so if you put in 'Tropican8' it'll show all of your connections, (ever) :)
[00:33] Thumper_: it's not lightning fast but it works
[00:33] Thumper_: has no database behind it just flat text files so far
[00:33] Tropican8: has delusion seen this?
[00:34] Thumper_: yeas
[00:34] Thumper_: he has access to it
[00:34] Thumper_: youcan also start/stop servers form the summary page
[00:34] Thumper_: try it
[00:34] Thumper_: go turn off the mad city server on 4400
[00:34] Tropican8: I'd rather not :-\
[00:34] Thumper_: ok :)
[00:35] Thumper_: it just connects to teh server, kills the shell server loop and tells the server to exit
[00:35] Thumper_: which it won't do if there are players on
[00:35] Thumper_: there's a 'Restart Pending' on the fox burrow map
[00:35] Thumper_: I updated the bzfs server code and plugins today and queued a reset
[00:35] Thumper_: but I'm not going to wait around for them to finish playing
[00:35] Thumper_: it'll just exit and restart when they're done (when I'm asleep)
[00:36] Tropican8: wow - that's polish
[00:36] Thumper_: That was very useful for LaserMania back when it was busy
[00:36] Tropican8: MoFo could've used this when we were making changes to it
[00:36] Thumper_: I don't care if you stop and start 4400 if you just want ot play with it
[00:37] Thumper_: you have that ability now with the serverControl plugin
[00:37] Thumper_: all you need is a loop that runs the server
[00:37] Thumper_: I don't use screen for running servers (that's icky)
[00:38] Tropican8: well, I didn't think it was -- until today
[00:38] Thumper_: I just run a shell loop and pipe the server output somewhere (off the machine, or to a file , or to a script that logs and rotates files)
[00:38] Thumper_: now = as of an hour ago
[00:39] Tropican8: lol
[00:39] Thumper_: but the serverControl plugin has been around with hardcoded banfile paths and hardcoded reset filenames
[00:39] Thumper_: for awhile
[00:39] Thumper_: I use 2 files
[00:39] Thumper_: reset-server-once and reset-server-always
[00:39] Thumper_: if you create reset-server-once the serverControl plugin will kill the server if no players are on
[00:39] Thumper_: then the server loop just starts it up again
[00:39] Thumper_: (the file is removed by the plugin when it shuts down)
[00:40] Thumper_: so all I do to restart a server is ' cd ~/server/<port> && touch reset-server-once'
[00:40] Thumper_: and that's in a script for me called 'restart'
[00:40] Thumper_: i also have a 'restart-all-servers'
[00:40] Thumper_: which does that in all server dirs on the host
[00:41] Thumper_: inactive servers restart immediately
[00:41] Thumper_: others wait for players to leave first
[00:41] *** SportChick has signed off IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)).
[00:42] Thumper_: also you can ban from the website  - it's too easy - it's almost fun
[00:42] Thumper_: :-P
[00:42] Tropican8: Hmm, fun and ban shouldn't be used in the same sentence.
[00:42] Thumper_: yeah I know
[00:42] Thumper_: try it
[00:42] Thumper_: (if you're not busy)
[00:42] Tropican8: :-\
[00:42] Thumper_: server summary p age, 4418, go to logs
[00:43] Thumper_: find me (just joined)
[00:43] Thumper_: hit [Ban] on the player join log line
[00:43] Thumper_: and enter something for a reason and duration
[00:43] Thumper_: you should have shortban perms only (max 5 hrs) on the page
[00:43] Thumper_: it changes based on priv level on the website
[00:43] Thumper_: it'll kick me off the server when the bans reload but I have anti ban so I can join again
[00:43] Thumper_: feel free to try it
[00:44] Thumper_: I don't have unban from the website available yet bu tthat woudl be easy to do
[00:44] Tropican8: yeah, it only goes up to 5
[00:45] Thumper_: if I change your auth level it'll add days and permanent
[00:45] Thumper_: as optinos
[00:45] Thumper_: but it's currently a manual configuratino
[00:45] Thumper_: next iteration it'll use the bzbb global auth perms
[00:45] Thumper_: and groups
[00:45] Tropican8: that'll be awesome
[00:45] Tropican8: I'm really impressed by this
[00:46] Thumper_: well it's my first website.. and it kind of evolved over 2 years
[00:46] Thumper_: it's all cgi and python
[00:46] Thumper_: no sessions
[00:46] Thumper_: I want to rewrite it in Ruby on Rails if I get time
[00:46] Tropican8: wow, I just pulled up every callsign you have every used
[00:46] Thumper_: heh
[00:46] Tropican8: that's fun
[00:46] Thumper_: I did that for you earlier ;)
[00:46] Tropican8: xxx?
[00:47] Thumper_: I was lazy
[00:47] Thumper_: bzadmin xxx@host:port
[00:47] Thumper_: I'm still connected - guess you didn't ban me
[00:47] Tropican8: hmm
[00:47] Tropican8: I only did it for 5 minutes -- I thought
[00:47] Thumper_: last ban on that host was by donny baker
[00:48] *** donny_baker has signed off IRC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)).
[00:48] Tropican8: I hope I didn't ban someone else :-0
[00:48] Thumper_: there's a recent reports/recent bans list on the summary page
[00:48] Thumper_: don't thiink you did it
[00:48] Tropican8: oh ok, I didn't do anything
[00:48] Thumper_: you have to hit the ban button
[00:49] Thumper_: then it gets logged on the summary page under recent bans
[00:49] Thumper_: (not that it matters)
[00:49] Thumper_: feel free to put 'test ban' or something in the text for me
[00:49] Thumper_: so donny_baker doesn't worry ;)
[00:49] Tropican8: Oh, I didn't put in a reason, that's why it didn't work
[00:49] Thumper_: boink
[00:49] Thumper_: I'm outa there
[00:50] Tropican8: I just put "test" in, hope that's good enough for him.
[00:50] Thumper_: that'll be fine
[00:50] Thumper_: you're #34 on the recent bans page
[00:50] Thumper_: but with antiban I can just rejoin
[00:51] Tropican8: heh. If you ever want to redesign the website, I'd recommend putting the newest bans at the top.
[00:51] Thumper_: ok
[00:51] Thumper_: it only shows the past 3 days worth
[00:51] Thumper_: tomorrow the bans from the 23rd will be gone
[00:52] Thumper_: (top 2 lines)
[00:52] Thumper_: same for reports
[00:52] Thumper_: reports are easier to read in order
[00:52] Thumper_: in case they are multiple lines
[00:52] Thumper_: anyway that's what I use for server monitoring
[00:52] Thumper_: it works pretty well
[00:53] Thumper_: and I've got something like 60 admins with access to it
[00:53] Thumper_: (not that they all use it)
[00:53] Thumper_: people connect, see no admin, proceed to violate the language rules, get caught later after they left, get a 1d ban - applies to all my servers
[00:54] Thumper_: they learn fast
[00:54] Thumper_: or they don't play on servers I run anymore
[00:54] Thumper_: I found that to be very effective - compared to warning/kicking etc
[00:54] Tropican8: This makes the p-m.com admin panel look like it's from the stoneage. And you've been using this for a while?
[00:54] Thumper_: 2 hrs-ish
[00:54] Thumper_: yrs*
[00:54] Thumper_: :)
[00:55] Thumper_: minor typo there
[00:55] Thumper_: all server logs are online
[00:55] Thumper_: oldest willbe from the olympic map on
[00:55] Thumper_: bzflag.norang.ca:5154
[00:55] Thumper_: [bzflag] linkn at top of the summary page
[00:56] Thumper_: 5154 isn't active anymore so it's not ont he list
[00:56] Thumper_: but they still exist
[00:56] Tropican8: heh
[00:56] Thumper_: bzfs-2005-01-08T00:00:00Z.log.gz
[00:57] Thumper_: that would be when I started hosting the olympic map myself
[00:57] Thumper_: and i built the website starting back then - it was log access only in the beginning but still useful
[00:58] Thumper_: the log access code is all of 439 lines of python
[00:58] Thumper_: that's page rendering, file parsing, everything you see ont he multicolored log page
[01:00] Thumper_: anyway... i was going to bed... :)
[01:00] Thumper_: eek an hour ago
[01:00] Thumper_: 1AM
[01:00] Thumper_: :/
[01:00] Thumper_: donny gets up in 3 hours... (eww!)
[01:00] Tropican8: yeah, I'll be heading off soon too
[01:01] Thumper_: ok I'm going to pull your access from the site when I quit - you done looking at it for now?
[01:01] Thumper_: (sorry I don't have a read-only guest mode yet)
[01:01] Tropican8: yeah
[01:01] Tropican8: thx for the preview
[01:01] Thumper_: ok you're toast ;)
[01:01] Thumper_: shouldn't work anymore
[01:02] Thumper_: I'll upgrade the other two servers tomorrow
[01:03] Thumper_: er today
[01:03] Thumper_: but later
[01:03] Thumper_: let me know if you notice any problems with the new server code/plugins
[01:03] Thumper_: cya
[01:03] Tropican8: laters
[01:05] Thumper_: heh
[01:05] Thumper_: someone reacted to your ban
[01:05] Thumper_: 352007-02-26T05:52:35Z4418NetRunnermsg Thumper Just out of curiosity, what prompted the ban list update? I didn't see any associated player drop...
[01:05] Tropican8: heh
[01:05] Thumper_: the serverControl plugin is configured to say 'Ban list updated' when it reloads
[01:06] Tropican8: on the admin channel or to everyone?
[01:06] Thumper_: everyone
[01:06] Thumper_: 2007-02-26T05:49:32ZTropican8COMMANDban 74.119.210.211 5 (Thumper) Test
[01:06] Thumper_: 2007-02-26T05:49:33ZSERVERALLBan list updated
[01:06] Thumper_: 2007-02-26T05:49:33ZThumper#1 removedBZid:896 /ban
[01:07] Thumper_: first line is website creating the log entry
[01:07] Thumper_: 2nd line (1s later) is the server dropping me 
[01:07] Thumper_: and hosts are report
[01:07] Thumper_: bah
[01:07] Thumper_: s/report/remote/
[01:07] Thumper_: webserver is on my cable modem in Toronto, bzflag server is the mofo server 
[01:07] Thumper_: at xlhost
[01:08] Thumper_: I thought about making the ban message configurabel for which channel to send to but didn't follow through on that since
[01:08] Thumper_: nobody needs it (yet)
[01:08] Thumper_: you can configure the message - blank is no message
[01:09] Tropican8: oh, ok
[01:09] Tropican8: well, I don't want to keep you up
[01:09] Thumper_: heh thx
[01:09] Thumper_: ok i'm really going now.. (I hope)
[01:10] Thumper_: cya later
[01:10] Tropican8: cya
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