[Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:03:19] ping [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:03:34] Pong [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:05:12] I don't want to be bitching, but where is the big talk about "if you get in trouble, we pull in the sphere and aid you" now? [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:06:26] When did I *ever* say that? [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:06:53] I could look for the logs for something similar along those lines [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:06:57] but anyway [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:07:48] The conflict has nothing to do with us. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:08:02] uhm [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:08:05] It's against the Leftists, not us. There's no point in us getting involved in a dispute that doesn't even involve us to begin with. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:08:07] like we asked for it [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:08:08] ? [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:09:18] Uh, what's your point? This is about EoTS staying out of something that never involved them to begin with. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:09:48] Our MADP was just signed yesterday - it's been one day, and you guys are going into a war. We're not going to support a war that we don't support, and we're not going to involve ourselves in a war that doesn't include us. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:10:17] interesting reasoning btw: you've said that your leadership is leftist, now that war is treathened on the left you just chicken out on us. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:10:21] not very comradely [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:10:31] Our leadership is Leftist IRL. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:10:35] This is something called a "game." [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:11:18] Yes, it's just a game, so join the war against the gaming fascists for the fun of it. I mean, what's the point in staying behind? [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:12:09] No, see, you don't understand. You told us before we signed it, that we didn't have to get involved in any actual conflict if we gave our notice. Now we give our notice, and you guys flip shit? Sounds quite hypocritical to me. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:13:06] strange, from my perspective you're the one sounding hypocritical [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:13:16] but this is going nowhere [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:13:24] the notice has been processed [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:13:29] thank you... [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:17:01] hmm [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:17:32] the MADP doesn't mention anything in the defence paragraph about notices [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:17:37] Defense: [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:17:37] 1. Any nation, group or alliance attacking any of the undersigned alliances will be met with the combined force of the member nations of all alliances, with the exception of opted out nations, for whom it is at their own discretion. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:17:37] 2. Any member nation of any alliance not adhering to #1 will be subject to disciplinary action by said nation's alliance. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:17:37] 3. Should either alliance refuse to come to the aid of their comrades as stipulated in #1 the MDP is rendered null and void. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:17:47] so, you're using 3 I guess? [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:18:25] I suppose so, though that's different from what you original told me would be in the MADP. You stated that we didn't have to fight in specific conflicts if we didn't feel it necessary, which is what we're doing. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:18:34] I think it would be better to get rid of the whole MADP though. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:18:36] uhm [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:18:38] It has caused us too much trouble as it is. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:18:57] the MADP has been on display in your forums, don't tell me you didn't even read it? [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:19:16] I read it, and I asked you about parts of it, which you clarified upon - exactly the way I just mentioned it. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:19:37] then I guess I did a poor job [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:19:39] but oh well [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:22:19] I would rather round this discussion up, but I would like to make one thing clear: you're breaking the MDP part of the treaty and we have had a MDP for some time now. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:22:24] St. Jimmy: Tell him that it is out of your control, it's probably destiny. Most of our alliance wants to remain neutral, anyway [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:25:27] anyway, proposing the MADP and the upcomming war are not linked [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:25:30] think about it [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:25:55] NoR declares on us, the *MDP* part gets activated, not the MAP part [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:26:59] I'm getting Jimmy on IRC right now - you can speak with him, because I can't deal with this anymore. [Sat Mar 17 2007] [04:36:17] Quit TraianBasescu has left this server (Quit: Leaving).