(12:45:46 PM) NightBlade: ok i've said enough on this, we'll see how its doing in a few months
(12:46:22 PM) NightBlade: i hope your as stubborn as i think you are or you're gonna give up just like the dozens of other indie game makers i've seen
(12:46:43 PM) -=[kc]=-: heh
(12:46:47 PM) NightBlade: my only motive is to see you make this game
(12:47:01 PM) -=[kc]=-: I'm not stubborn, I am just determined
(12:47:13 PM) NightBlade: well im sure as hell stubborn
(12:47:24 PM) -=[kc]=-: I'll probably be spending about 2 weeks planning the bloody thing
(12:47:30 PM) NightBlade: and if i wasn't i'd be sitting on an empty 3D engine still
(12:47:33 PM) -=[kc]=-: then the code just falls into place
(12:47:44 PM) NightBlade: when does code EVER EVER do that/?
(12:47:48 PM) -=[kc]=-: there is no stopping and thinking mid-code about what this feature will be like in game or why or why it wont work
(12:48:00 PM) NightBlade: oh yes you will
(12:48:06 PM) -=[kc]=-: no you see...I will plan this
(12:48:09 PM) NightBlade: you will spend 60-75% of the time coding
(12:48:12 PM) NightBlade: you WILL
(12:48:15 PM) NightBlade: no doubt at all
(12:48:30 PM) NightBlade: 15-20% will be testing
(12:49:00 PM) NightBlade: the last 5 will be sitting there thinking about how to fix an unexpected problem or researching it
(12:49:09 PM) NightBlade: about 1% IF you're lucky
(12:49:12 PM) -=[kc]=-: yes
(12:49:13 PM) NightBlade: will be playing the game
(12:49:15 PM) -=[kc]=-: I agree with that
(12:49:22 PM) NightBlade: thats what im trying to say
(12:49:26 PM) -=[kc]=-: there will be *some* change
(12:49:32 PM) -=[kc]=-: but.
(12:49:36 PM) NightBlade: the problem is what you can't plan for
(12:49:36 PM) -=[kc]=-: properly documented code
(12:49:41 PM) NightBlade: even if you spend a year
(12:49:43 PM) -=[kc]=-: is easy to maintain
(12:49:48 PM) NightBlade: it helps
(12:49:53 PM) NightBlade: i don't document much
(12:50:03 PM) NightBlade: usually only markers for where something is
(12:50:05 PM) -=[kc]=-: bah..theres the problem
(12:50:10 PM) NightBlade: heh heh heh
(12:50:24 PM) NightBlade: i can't wait until you have your feet wet with this
(12:50:25 PM) -=[kc]=-: you think you can keep it all in your head right
(12:50:40 PM) -=[kc]=-: but you cant
(12:50:51 PM) NightBlade: oh, heres another tip
(12:50:52 PM) -=[kc]=-: which is why 3 lines of simple docs for each function helps
(12:50:59 PM) NightBlade: i wasted a lot of time on this
(12:51:05 PM) NightBlade: when talking about a game
(12:51:10 PM) NightBlade: you get nothing done
(12:51:20 PM) NightBlade: and you excite people to play something that isn't available yet
(12:51:29 PM) NightBlade: doing that too much makes people not care when it is ready
(12:51:58 PM) NightBlade: so keep at it, plan it well, organize it, and be prepared for the mount everest of programming
(12:52:17 PM) NightBlade: and at a novice level the success rate is probably less than 1%
(12:52:36 PM) -=[kc]=-: hmm
(12:52:40 PM) -=[kc]=-: well I'm defintetly not a novice
(12:52:48 PM) -=[kc]=-: This is not my first programming project....
(12:52:48 PM) NightBlade: i used to hang out in a game development room
(12:52:59 PM) NightBlade: you're still a novice
(12:53:08 PM) NightBlade: every month i'd see a new user come in
(12:53:11 PM) -=[kc]=-: ....
(12:53:12 PM) -=[kc]=-: ...
(12:53:22 PM) NightBlade: and say "im going to make the next quake"
(12:53:25 PM) -=[kc]=-: the only reason I'm writing an MMO is because every other project was boring
(12:53:30 PM) NightBlade: they'd get a few laughs by the old dogs
(12:53:37 PM) -=[kc]=-: no, thats stupid, and completely different
(12:53:44 PM) -=[kc]=-: I'm not trying to make the next WoW
(12:53:52 PM) -=[kc]=-: I'm A) Learning new skills
(12:53:58 PM) -=[kc]=-: B) Applyin them to a project
(12:54:03 PM) NightBlade: and then they get angry and argue about their idea and leave with an "i'll show you!" additude only to never be seen again
(12:54:05 PM) -=[kc]=-: and C) Hopefully getting something out of it
(12:54:30 PM) NightBlade: HOW is that any different?
(12:54:34 PM) NightBlade: do you have experience?
(12:54:36 PM) NightBlade: a team?
(12:54:39 PM) NightBlade: funding?
(12:54:42 PM) NightBlade: then its the same
(12:54:47 PM) NightBlade: im in the same boat
(12:54:52 PM) NightBlade: except
(12:54:53 PM) -=[kc]=-: what?
(12:54:56 PM) NightBlade: its 6 years later
(12:55:02 PM) NightBlade: and i have a working game engine
(12:55:09 PM) -=[kc]=-: your saying me doing an MMO project as a learning experience is the same as the guy who said hes making the next quake
(12:55:15 PM) ***-=[kc]=- *boggles*
(12:55:28 PM) NightBlade: well, if you want more than 10 people to play it
(12:55:34 PM) NightBlade: then yes
(12:55:35 PM) -=[kc]=-: I dont care
(12:55:36 PM) NightBlade: otherwise
(12:55:38 PM) -=[kc]=-: :P
(12:55:40 PM) NightBlade: its just a program
(12:55:42 PM) -=[kc]=-: I didn't say I'm making the next wow
(12:56:01 PM) -=[kc]=-: I dont know where you got that idea from ;p
(12:56:08 PM) NightBlade: ok, i seem to be mistaken
(12:56:18 PM) NightBlade: its admirable to attempt this as a learning experience
(12:56:28 PM) NightBlade: and i have NO DOUBT you are going to learn a ton
(12:56:53 PM) -=[kc]=-: yes, an MMO is a great learning challenge since there is some of everything
(12:56:54 PM) NightBlade: but learning never starts until you can admit where the end of your knowledge is and start listening to people that have more
(12:57:12 PM) NightBlade: it sure is
(12:57:25 PM) NightBlade: as i said it's the everest of programming
(12:57:33 PM) -=[kc]=-: I have programmed IRC bots, neural networks, extensive scripting, etc etc I could go on
(12:57:40 PM) -=[kc]=-: I am in no way a novice
(12:57:49 PM) NightBlade: im sorry but
(12:57:54 PM) NightBlade: thats ALL novice work
(12:58:04 PM) -=[kc]=-: heh
(12:58:09 PM) NightBlade: scripts, scripting languages, bots, and small apps are nothing
(12:58:18 PM) NightBlade: i know 12 year olds that can do that
(12:58:31 PM) -=[kc]=-: heh
(12:58:51 PM) NightBlade: when you make complex software like chat clients, accounting software, file packers, security programs
(12:58:54 PM) -=[kc]=-: please point me at the 12 year old who has made a neural network simulator that can recognize images and images within images
(12:58:56 PM) NightBlade: thats intermediate
(12:59:10 PM) NightBlade: i know a 6 year old that made an OS
(12:59:21 PM) -=[kc]=-: anyone can make an OS
(12:59:24 PM) NightBlade: ROFL
(12:59:35 PM) NightBlade: do you hang around NASA by any chance?
(12:59:36 PM) -=[kc]=-: you didn't specify PC
(12:59:51 PM) -=[kc]=-: you just said OS, which is a very vague term
(01:00:10 PM) -=[kc]=-: I myself have written programs for embedded processors that can be classified as an OS

(01:00:24 PM) NightBlade: i don't know anyone that doesn't associte an operating system with a computer of some sorts
(01:00:38 PM) NightBlade: an OS is typically a gui version of a BIOS
(01:00:38 PM) -=[kc]=-: yep all OSes run on computer systems
(01:00:42 PM) -=[kc]=-: O_O
(01:00:46 PM) -=[kc]=-: no
(01:00:47 PM) -=[kc]=-: its not ;p