_MMA_: Ok. LOOKS like we can get around the changelog thing but theres something else that popped up. Debian experimental has beta12 in but as a upgrade to .99. You and I have had several chats and I though we thought it was a good idea to have them both available. So people could use .99 with older sessions. Do you still feel this way? las: absolutely las: they should not be seen as upgrade-related las: even though we would like people to move from 0.99 to 2.0 las: its more like, let me think ... las: gcc3 and gcc4 _MMA_: Ok.