RudyValencia: CNN has lierally dozens of web servers, They change their content as needed and hand it off to a tool which automatically updates all the servers, asynchronously =-= Mode #freenode-social +v Star-D by ChanServ You don't think CNN.com uses a cms of some sort? You think that their reporters hand code the pages? *lierally RudyValencia, they don't edit the raw pages at all though. I guarantee that any structural modification is tested locally first. *literally! =-= Mode #freenode-social +vvvv Caitai ChaoticGoo1 c|p dmb by ChanServ =-= Mode #freenode-social +vvvv Echtor2oo3 Grlubb jeremyb PrincessCaitlai by ChanServ =-= Mode #freenode-social +vv xXREAPERXx yell0w by ChanServ /usr/bin/php is only for commandline scripts "validating, accessible CSS layouts – hence Ajax CMS" - what on earth has CSS layouts got to do with AJAX? thanks =-= Mode #freenode-social +vv Caitai PrincessCaitlai_ by ChanServ fine, CNN was a bad example what about sites like http://www.buildabear.com/ ?? surely they manually code every page of that site Rudy, you make my colon hurt. * RudyValencia hands xybre a Fleet enema RudyValencia, I doubt it. RudyValencia: ever heard of load balancing? I'm viewing the source, and that looks very generated to me I've heard of it RudyValencia: If you care, even a little bit, about changes messing up a site, you use a CMS. I imagine they care. Make him stop :( Karlprof: I already use MODx CMS (http://www.modxcms.com/) xybre: why? You can't pay for stuff this good! the only problem with my sites is the problem of changing IP addresses -_- They're coming to take me away ha ha! BUILD A BEAR WORKSHOPS FON-348973568065274 (NET-208-1-36-0-1) 208.1.36.0 - 208.1.36.255 they have an entire Class C subnet. :O under sprint I want one Tons of businesses get a Class C subnet 1) I can't afford a static IP, 2) I'm not the one authorized to change telco services, 3) I'd need one IP for every box in my net but they only have "one" internet facing server..... ...... Really? I'm sure they have an extranet or something Use subdomains for your boxes * derfreakoo would be happy with a static IP or virtual IP any number of doamins can and do share a single IP Or heat up a frying pan on the stove and press your nose on it to give yourself psychic powers. Do I need an IP for every box in my net? no Or can I have a NAT setup like I have now IP allocation does not uses classes You can use NAt many LAN IPs > 1 static Internet IP but it'd cost me more then RudyValencia: No limit * god_ <3s NAT. It's the way the world was meant to be. * RudyValencia calls the telco * savetheWorld tells god_ to get with the IPV6.. :-) RudyValencia: the telco will require you to have a business class service with them $$$$$ savetheWorld: God is American, therefore, IPv6 is a Bad Thing (TM) Wait Why can't he have a shared hosting service again? Bad god_ ! Bad god_ ! No donut Business class ISP = Residential class ISP * 1.5 + phone support about Concorde, after the Paris accident: The first British Airways passenger flight took place on 11 September 2001, and was in the air during the September 11, 2001 attacks in the United States. * xybre is afraid of americans * god_ & spooky... Karlprof, because apparently he doesn't want to have to edit then upload. hmm Dave2: So what's wrong with a shared hosting service with a vroot shell? He could use vim. Or something. he doesn't want to use a shell, IIRC I want a shell, but not this guy. He wants .. to host his own site, on a dynamic ip, with multiple computers on his networkk functioning asdifferent domains.. from what I've been able to decipher.. Well, the rails are washed out north of town. We gotta head for higher ground hey any dev getoo here around? spb? The bus is comin', gonna take us to the train. Looks like we'll be blessed with a little more rain, it's only a big deal to have a class C if you have a movable one. RudyValencia: NAT is your friend Karlprof: I want to use my existing Windows apps to edit my site xybre: Could he not use something like http://www.no-ip.com/ or something? you only need one IP external Karlprof: It's the cost that's a factor RudyValencia: They do free domains and everything. RudyValencia: there are a handful of texteditor type apps that will fetch edit and post via ftp Well, subdomains. Karlprof: he refuses to use subdomains Karlprof: yes, but I'd have something like http://rudyvalencia.dyndnsprovider.com/ which looks ugly Also, I have my own domains. And I want my domains if possible. * RudyValencia is on the phone with the telco RudyValencia, seriously, just learn vim. (maybe I might be able to get a static IP address) vim > * so vim > vim? yes. vim > vim. He's stuck vim is so awesome, it manages to be > itself. hehe, nice <3 vim stuck in Folsom prison And time keeps draggin on. christel? RudyValencia: Do you know Johnny Cash? RudyValencia: Hey, http://localhost/ isn't registered. Maybe if you set up Apache on your PC, and just tell people to go to http://localhost/? It's not as good as a .com, but it's close: try it and see how well it works for you... I killed a man in Reno, just to watch him die hehe Karlprof I think Johnny's Lyrics are actually about Rudy. RudyValencia: there's a perfectly decent gvim for windows. use it :) I'm going to Jackson. =-= Mode #freenode-social +v Muz__ by ChanServ Michael? Javacat Zete!! Hey I can get DSL with a static IP for $36.99/mo. my digital love ^_^ And it's the same speed and everything. :D It's less than $40/mo. I didn't realize it'd be that inexpensive. RudyValencia math genius $31.99 + $5.99 well, actually $37.98 but still, under $40 :D $0.99 more :O YOU LIED LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIED I SAHY I also say say. I miscalculated. :D Zete: MINE TO! Fail Still, $37.98 is under my goal of $40/mo Yes, I do indeed fail. hm, $25 setup :/ Also: "One domain name will be supported for all the addresses." :/ that's no good Unless they are referring to "reverse DNS". * znx burps 'cuse me * Karlprof cries. nope it's not as if they can stop you having multiple domains pointing to your IP... right znx, far tooo much info "OH MY GOD, A SERVICE WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IS MAPPING THIS NAME TO OUR IP! WE MUST STOP THEM!" i have a weird feeling inside.. somewhere around chest.. where heart is.. ompaul: you should see what im sitting on at this very moment :O! Are they referring to having only one reverse-DNS, or...? RudyValencia: Ask? Well, I'm already off the phone with 'em znx is in love znx, gladly Or has gas One of the two I don't wanna call back znx, I don't have to :) xybre: does gas feel all warm inside .. ? * znx shoggles himself o_O znx: Depends how hot the curry last night was Hrm, depends on if it's chillia gas Karlprof: vindaloo Then yes, gas does feel all warm inside * znx lets one RIP WOAH * znx wafts meh I'll just keep using my existing connection :/ it's not like I have to update my DNS every morning =-= Mode #freenode-social +v Muz_ by ChanServ ah great my IP changed again * RudyValencia thinks that the telco's f***ing with him fail! 'he wants a static ip' 'hehe, punk kid, lets wiggle the ups cord' RudyValencia: you can get webhosting for $5 or less a month, and a domain for that much a year. if that's too expensive for you, stop yer b****ing :) It's both cost and control christel? zinx: I want something affordable that I can directly edit holy crapola, a Boeing 747-400 can reach MPG of 91 per passenger on overseas flights zinx: He wants to run his own server because he's got this weird idea that [writing things locally and then uploading them|running a localhost server for testing] is a bad thing. RudyValencia: "directly edit"? 3.1L/100km/passenger - way better than any car =-= Mode #freenode-social +v Stx by ChanServ Karlprof: Also, my applications don't support any other way of editing except saving to a local drive/letter-mapped network share beu? sleeptyper: funny what happens when you *don't* want to spend more on gas Then... keep... (!) a local copy. hehe RudyValencia: what applications are those? Karlprof: Keeping a local copy is redundant. and why does it matter? AAARGH I give up. You need a local copy anyway. As backup. i'm pretty sure you can map ftp to a "drive letter" Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver. RudyValencia: ok, i call BS my car can go near if 4 people occupy it Dreamweaver? hei i need gentoo dev anyone? You.. you.. HEATHEN SpeedEvil: Why? I already backup my server to DVD every month. RudyValencia: if dreamweaver doesn't publish about a billion different ways, then i'll eat my hat sleeptyper: A car with one person in. xybre: I only use Dreamweaver for its HTML editing pane Star-D: #gentoo-dev ? (and filemanager) sleeptyper: My car gets 120MPG/passenger when full. RudyValencia: VIM nice Vim? Vim! having to press Insert anytime I want to edit a line? :/ yuck RudyValencia: no offense, but the only things i see coming from you are excuses why you can't do , and if that's all you've got, you're not going anywhere. RudyValencia, no, pressing i. or a or o still vim's a crappy editor ichange change thingesc:wq WIN RudyValencia: VIM <--- Forget it. He's insane. Completely, flabbergastingly insane. Modal editors are awesome Karlprof: I tried :( According to Firefox's spellchecker, "flabbergastingly" is a word but "spellchecker" isn't. Awesome. Anything with a filemanager and a decent HTML view that provides autocompletion lol I would use anything with a filemanager and autocompletion of common html tags/attributes. Why... why would one autocomplete HTML? * beu eyes Star-D * xybre touches beu Well, it's faster #^$%&$%&&*#!!! can you jion at #gentoo.pl and scare a bit reane ? Thats the only printable characters I can think of. because it's too hard to type "div" and "span" :D rane* xybre£*(&!*(£$ * beu beams beams made me think of dreams made me think of my bad dream where I owned an iPod :( * xybre suspects he's been outdone RudyValencia: stop getting hung up on the small implementation details and start getting a solution that actually works, even if it isn't the most fun to use :/ beu? Dave2: eww, what a horrid dream Which is faster, typing out all of "" or ""? xybre, indeed :( RudyValencia, tab is an annoying key to hit tabcomplete (for me, anyway) is faster than typing all that out RudyValencia: considering how little i have to type that, it doesn't matter :/ RudyValencia: typing it manually, pressing the tab key in that situation takes a lot more time. plus vim does auto completion http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=610 Yeah, I jsut copy/paste most of that stuf, or rails generates it for me I've never seen it suggest "type=" when I type "ty" (inside an HTML element) and vim does purty syntax coloring xybre: exactly RudyValencia: What's faster, typing "...", typing "." or loading up a general-purpose blank template file (one should be in every webdesigner's arsenal) and going from there? xybre: so does dreamweaver =-= Mode #freenode-social +v Crast by ChanServ And you can get nonmodal gui vim. in any case, this is another stupid detail beu can you please ? which has almost no bearing on overall functionality RudyValencia: yeah, but unless you pirated it, you gave the developers incentive to create more of that garbage. * RudyValencia got it at a yard sale Good save I get a lot of my software from yard sales. It's outdated, but it works. RudyValencia, but you can't run Dreamweaver on a shell. which was the whole point of suggesting vim in the first place That's why I use Samba. And dreamweavre prodced horrible code. You know what I don't use Dreamweaver's code I use its HTML view to write my code also I linked to the wrong link I cant take it anymore. OK. Someone tell me when he stops so I can unignore him. Otherwise I'm going to spaz. but the point is that vim does autocompletion heh Forget about all that. you can even define your own autocompletion. I'll just... do what I've been doing. Manually update my own dns records every time my IP address changes. Well, glad that's over and done with. Moving on... So Karlprof hows your day? Since (apparently) there isn't a simple and free solution out there. I give up. lol, this is where we spend 3 hours trying to come up with custom solutions for RudyValencia xybre: My day's been OK, thanks. xybre: First day back at school. 'Twas alright I guess. You? =-= Mode #freenode-social +v j4cbo by ChanServ (After the Easter holidays, I mean.) * Javacat_ pokes Zete Javacat? :D brrr :( Karlprof: I'm aight, researching for writing these crazy photo-processing scripts in ruby that I need to write for my work :( sensei: I've wasted 3 hrs. of everyone's time * Dave2 turns those frowns upside down: ":(" RudyValencia: Go for three more; ) I do wish that it were easier to manage my own sites. (rather, the DNS for 'em, anyway) cp mv rm vi.. four tools to rule them all sensei: I was referring to DNS management xybre: What're you trying to do? Didn't know that then, did I ;) Zete: Did you know that I got a mac?!!!! i know now ok any alive gentoo dev around? :D sensei, vi sucks. sensei: I have been looking for something that can update my IP address in everydns every time my IP changes * Star-D cut zete out of irc Javacat_: ew mac :( Star-D? :o RudyValencia: That's what you get when you're too cheap for hosting ;) nooooooooo... I have a mac but that doesn't count because it's 11 years old sensei: what? * Javacat_ looks at the empty space in irc where his beautiful love used to be :( What what ? Zete coze you always says bullshit. oh * Javacat_ slaps srt bah sensei: how is self-hosting "too cheap"? RudyValencia: while (1) { if (GetOwnIPAddress() != OldIpAddress) { UpdateIPAddress(GetOwnIPAddress); OldIpAddress = GetOwnIPAddress; } } * sensei pats Javacat_ Work from that. * Javacat_ slaps Star-D with Dave2 RudyValencia: You don't host yourself, that breaks the sole definition of the word goat! Karlprof: well, I'm building a complete system for this client, and this piece of it is to take user-uploaded files from their user directory, via http, ftp, or afp, mv them to their data directory on another disk (don't ask) and process them images into theumbnails and watermarked images (keeping the originals unchanged) Star-D, i haven't said any bullshit for more than a week sure... sensei: how is "running my own server" cheap? rather sensei: don't go into the light! xybre: Good point :) RudyValencia: nm Ah, xybre. Well, on the bright side, atleast you don't have to do it with C or something. Zete shitting thats all... * RudyValencia runs his own webserver =-= Mode #freenode-social +v Drunken_Irony by ChanServ Karlprof: the low-level stuf would be easier, it would be faster, but the higher level stuf (the actual image processing) not so much. Then again I'm going to have to use Image Magick, and Ruby, and compiled "magic number" libraries, which are all written in C... so it's all C code somewhere. sensei: thank you :D xybre: Maybe it's just that C scares me Annnyway sensei: basically, I would rather operate a "free" (outside of DSL and electricity) server of my own than having to pay someone else to maintain a server for me =-= Mode #freenode-social +vvvv Caitlai nb Daniel_Bush MidnightRider by nalioth =-= Mode #freenode-social +vvvv Graviton catalyst` ElPenguin catalyst by nalioth =-= Mode #freenode-social +vvv unic0rn degantyll maat by nalioth ugh, http://www.thewvsr.com/adsvsreality.htm makes me feel sick hrm, i think i may be getting hour+ pings again RudyValencia: then get a static IP Karlprof: I did C++ for a little bit, it doesn't scare me. Java, now that scares me. zinx, don't go into the light! zinx: I will The JRE is infuriatingly bloated and rubbish. :( RudyValencia: most DSL/cable providers offer them with business packages, if nothing else. but guess what, that "free" DSL/cable is going to cost you a lot more. RudyValencia: If you go for colo no one manages it for you, although it's obviously not free RudyValencia: than $5/mo + $5/yr I can pay $40/mo for DSL RudyValencia: you'll be paying a lot more for a business line, probably. the phone company likes to rape business customers :) I found out that a static IP-based package is $37.98/mo with a one-time $25 fee RudyValencia: On the other hand.. if you can't afford proper hosting, your customers are obviously not paying enough, and they have no right in whining if their site is down for an hour or two No, stop, he knows all this. This whole chanel has gone over it all since this morning! RudyValencia: that's no so bad, congrats sensei: it's only my sites, I don't have any clients. xybre: haha, damn I know what you mean * xybre bashes face on concrete Brain hurt! * sensei massages xybre's brain * xybre relaxes sensei: I run my server mostly for my own stuff.. * xybre doesn't do it when he wants to go to it RudyValencia: Ok It's mostly that I'm fed up with my connection changing IPs when it bounces. therefore I have decided to get a static IP instead. that just makes it easy for the dirty four-lettered agencies to get to you Some DNS providers have support for easy/eazydns * xybre falls over ez? Whatever :) WHY AM I DOING THIS??: ( Couldn't care less really! Wth is wrong with me /ignore