Session Start: Tue Apr 24 19:49:13 2007
Session Ident: Giggs
Session Ident: Giggs (sleeeeep@gtanet-5C079216.tel.miami.edu)
<Giggs> how are you? like rly
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> aggrivated :D
<Giggs> why
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> just stupid shit
<Giggs> SiN?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> not worth discussing
<Giggs> or work stuff
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> everthing! xD
<Giggs> k calm down
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> im clam
<Giggs> alright
<Giggs> well i know i haven't been adminning for a while
<Giggs> and i'm aware that a few things have changed
<Giggs> we have more admin, etc.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> indeed
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> need more still
<Giggs> a few things have been brought to my attention by various people
<Giggs> idk why, cause they know i don't play
<Giggs> but they know i'm friends with you and SiN
<Giggs> you're a great guy
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> :p
<Giggs> and it seems to me that a lot of flaming has been going on by the SiN guys
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> not just SiN
<Giggs> i know
<Giggs> i'm aware
<Giggs> but you are SiN leader right?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> ya
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i do my best to keep SiN inline
<Giggs> alright
<Giggs> well i just wanted to make sure
<Giggs> because i've seen logs..
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> of?
<Giggs> and its pretty nasty, ya kno?
<Giggs> just shit being said by the SiN guys
<Giggs> <3 SiN, you know that.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> giggs you dont know the half of it trust me
<Giggs> i know
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> every1 sweats SiN and we get all the blame
<Giggs> thats why i think i have a non-biased opinion 
<Giggs> well
<Giggs> if you know everybody is watching your guys
<Giggs> then its your responsibility to make sure that they're extra careful to not say shit
<Giggs> until things calm down
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and i do
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and so do the other leaders and heads
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> we got SIN on lock no worries
<Giggs> then why are there problems?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> cause every1 has a point
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> where it gets to be too much
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> nothing we can do about that
<Giggs> how many members are there in SiN?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> about 17 or something
<Giggs> thats quite a bit to constantly keep track of
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> indeed
<Giggs> i know you didn't ask for advice
<Giggs> but its just something i've learned:
<Giggs> if you have a lot of people to watch over
<Giggs> all a part of a group
<Giggs> and some of them are misbehaving
<Giggs> when they have that tag of yours, people will see it
<Giggs> and they'll get mad at all of SiN, not just the individual
<Giggs> so if you don't want people to think badly of the clan
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> seriously, idc what any1 thinks :D
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> thats not my problem
<Giggs> its not so much what they think
<Giggs> but what is happening.
<Giggs> do you not care that your guys are flaming.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i do
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and i do all i can to stop it
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> but you have no idea how much were flamed aswell
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and like i said
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> every1 has a breaking point
<Giggs> if you have people constantly in your group who flame.. then to avoid SiN drama, it might be best for them to just not have a tag for a while
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and what about the others?
<Giggs> they'll be talked to as well.
<Giggs> but don't worry about them, worry about your guys
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i do
<Giggs> i know :)
<Giggs> thats what makes you a good leader
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> trust me
<Giggs> i do.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i got sin locked down
<Giggs> hows the adminning going?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> crappy
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i almost quit 2 times
<Giggs> why? 
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> cause people bitch too much
<Giggs> lol
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> thinks cause there are 3 SiN admins that were special or something
<Giggs> true, they will complain.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i just ignore it
<Giggs> hmm
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> but when its coming from other admins its bad
<Giggs> so i've heard
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> but like i said
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i couldnt care less
<Giggs> you see where they're coming from right?
<Giggs> i know
<Giggs> as you shouldn't
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> no, i dont
<Giggs> but make sure that you understand
<Giggs> alright.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> cause we dont treat SiN any different then any other players
<Giggs> well when i was admin
<Giggs> i'm not so sure
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> a few SiN have been bant multiple times
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and dont go read some bs logs and tell me ur not sure
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> ur not here to see it
<Giggs> hey now.
<Giggs> :\
<Giggs> i'm not trying to offend, k?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> k
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> still tho
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> you dont know it all so you really dont have much of a say in it
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> no offence
<Giggs> i'm not saying i know it all.
<Giggs> nor do i have a say really in how you all act
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> <|SiN|d3str0y3r> cause we dont treat SiN any different then any other players
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> <Giggs> well when i was admin
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> <Giggs> i'm not so sure
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> <|SiN|d3str0y3r> a few SiN have been bant multiple times
<Giggs> but i thought i could come to you as a friend and talk about thing.
<Giggs> things*
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> wtf...
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> :|
<Giggs> alright
<Giggs> before i left
<Giggs> remember how you and popz were up for the vote
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> ya
<Giggs> and i made the vote on the forum, etc
<Giggs> alright
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> thx to you ; )
<Giggs> was a huge issue.
<Giggs> yes
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> indeed it was
<Giggs> and i left
<Giggs> now i'm not sure what has happened, i know, but i see things going kind of toward one side
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> yea
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> against SiN
<Giggs> ryankilla and i have had a long conversation tonight
<Giggs> popz and i will talk later.
<Giggs> i just want you to know that it could be a problem
<Giggs> even if you're not biased
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> what could?
<Giggs> having 3 sin admin.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and why should it?
<Giggs> honestly? 
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> sure
<Giggs> you don't see any problem with it
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> NO GIGGS LIE TO ME
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> no i dont
<Giggs> hey, don't need the sarcasm.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> we dont treat SiN any different then any other players
<Giggs> what has happened to you?
<Giggs> if you don't mind my asking.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> nothing
<Giggs> you never used to be like this to me :\
<Giggs> that's fine. we'll talk later i'm sure.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> u never used to bitch at me for things you dont know about :p
<Giggs> ...
<Giggs> :(
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> im not trying to be a dick
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> just honest
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and ask rbomb
* |SiN|d3str0y3r is cold blooded
<Giggs> you're not.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> lies
<Giggs> rbomb and ryankilla have both made clear tonight that neither of them "give a fuck" for what i have to say
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> well seriously giggs...you leave for awhile and come back telling us what we need to do?...
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> cause uve seen some bs logs
<Giggs> i never said you needed to do anything
<Giggs> i said i was concerned
<Giggs> why so hostile, damn.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> im not
<Giggs> if you can't take constructive criticism..
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i can but like i said you have nothing to base it on
<Giggs> so i'm wrong?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and im j/c where did theses logs come from
<Giggs> echos etc.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> obviously..
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> thats not what i meant
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> im sure u know that
<Giggs> well jon..
<Giggs> i never quite thought you'd ever call me a bitch
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> when did i cann you a bitch?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> call*
<Giggs> you can scroll
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and i wont find it :|
<Giggs> you think their behavior is acceptable?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> lmao
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> what behavior?
<Giggs> that's a yes.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> ...
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> please elobarate
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> are you talking about SiN's flaming?
<Giggs> no, you know what, i don't feel like talking anymore. you've made things quite clear.
<Giggs> night 
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i win
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> lmao
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> :D
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> bai
<Giggs> ...
<Giggs> wtf is wrong with you?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> nothing at all
<Giggs> immature much?
<Giggs> i see the problem isn't coming from your clan members
<Giggs> its a neglect to see a problem at all by the leaders.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> awww thats cute
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> you think that then..
<Giggs> damn
<Giggs> you have changed.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> not rly
<Giggs> no :S you have.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> we just never had a discussion like this b4
<Giggs> have you always thought so.. highly of my opinion?
<Giggs> you're fantastic at acting like a good friend :\
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> like i said, w/e log you saw probbaly wasnt enough
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> people keep sweating SiN, and just sit back when others start shit
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> like MOB
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> their the innocent
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> rofl
<Giggs> like you don't sit back when sin starts shit as well?
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> no, i dont
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i kick and ban
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> SiN or not
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> and so do the other SiN admins
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> now go and ask mob when the last time they banned 1 of their own was
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> except for Hiro who got banned the other night for money chits
<Giggs> don't tell me what to do, and don't talk down to me.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> im not
<Giggs> you are, and have been.
<Giggs> you've been laughing at my advice the entire timem
<Giggs> -m
<Giggs> and its disappointing.
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> not laughing
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> disageeing
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> i spelt that wrong
<|SiN|d3str0y3r> +r