(21:24:13) Private message with Thunder

(21:24:24) <Purpender> can i be honest with you jedi
(21:24:34) <Thunder> im listening
(21:24:38) <Purpender> like honest with you, and know that you'll keep what i say between you and I/

(21:24:49) <Thunder> im still listening

(21:24:55) <Purpender> look ok

(21:25:25) <Purpender> one of the main reasons i think this clan isn't working is because kilt tries to do everything, himself, alone, without talking to the council or DC
(21:25:34) <Thunder> well

(21:25:46) <Thunder> green told me kilt wanted everything run by him

(21:25:48) <Purpender> and hes kindof dictatorish right now honestly

(21:25:54) <Purpender> i understand
(21:26:05) <Purpender> obey the leaders, yeah i know its a rule.

(21:26:30) <Purpender> but do you really think its right, i know you keep out of the politics. but seriously

(21:26:46) <Thunder> i can care less

(21:26:48) <Purpender> its really hurting the clan, having kilt do everything, i've talked to dc and he feels the same way.

(21:26:53) <Thunder> i run most of my decisions by dc

21:26:59) <Thunder> but kilt is visable right now, and dc isnt

(21:27:17) <Purpender> what do you mean visable?

(21:27:32) <Purpender> DCs been on alot more recently

(21:27:36) <Purpender> at least on the forums.

(21:27:40) <Thunder> but kilts actually on the chat

(21:27:44) <Thunder> although he isnt talking

(21:27:52) <Purpender> yes so?

(21:28:06) <Purpender> accepting a member does not require 'kilt's stamp of approval' trust me...

(21:28:24) <Thunder> lol

(21:28:31) <Thunder> thats the only thing that he doesnt require

(21:28:38) <Thunder> but all promos need to be run by him

(21:28:55) <Purpender> wow... 
(21:29:02) <Purpender> a promotion to a regular member ooooooooooo

(21:29:12) <Thunder> look purp

(21:29:20) <Thunder> i do what the boss tells me

(21:29:23) <Purpender> i know

(21:29:46) <Purpender> look jedi, if i knew you more. i would tell you all about how i feel about the clan atm. 

(21:30:06) <Purpender> i'd engage you in such a political discussion it would probably er... kill you... o.0

(21:30:27) <Thunder> i dont like politics.

(21:30:33) <Thunder> im just in jotnr cause i want to be

(21:30:36) <Purpender> there are just some major problems with the way the clan is being run, and its NOT always ok to just do whatever someone says

(21:30:40) <Purpender> CHANGE is good.

(21:30:56) <Purpender> nothing is being changed

(21:31:02) <Purpender> and nothing is getting any better. honestly.

(21:32:03) <Purpender> no offense jedi, but another issue with this clan is taht the council isn't helping kilt out with stuff

(21:32:15) <Purpender> being a councilmember isn't just about loyalty
(21:32:19) <Purpender> its about responsibility
(21:32:24) <Thunder> 2 council members are active

(21:32:27) <Thunder> the other one quit rs

(21:32:28) <Purpender> responsibility that is non-existant

(21:32:31) <Thunder> and one has comp issues

(21:32:46) <Purpender> but you guys don't DO anything...

(21:32:59) <Purpender> besides run events

(21:33:06) <Purpender> and accept members 
(21:33:09) <Purpender> and run things by kilt

(21:33:26) <Thunder> we really arent entitled to do nething else

(21:33:42) <Purpender> according to who?

(21:33:50) <Thunder> kilt wants stuff done, but he hasnt told us what

(21:34:37) <Purpender> jedi, the purpose of a council is so that the leader (kilt) can talk to people about what someone should do for the best of the clan

(21:34:48) <Purpender> not to 'go do whatever kilt wants'

(21:34:50) <Purpender> thats not how it works

(21:35:02) <Thunder> you do realize me and incog know nothing about running a clan
(21:35:04) <Purpender> if this is how the clan is being run i'm going to have to be more verbal about this

(21:35:28) <Purpender> you don't have to know anything ...

(21:35:48) <Purpender> but you can use common sense, and with a leader's diretion on the matter... give input

(21:35:51) <Thunder> go ahead, thats probably what kilt wants, somebody who actually knows what the problems are and knows how to fix them

(21:36:06) <Purpender> thunder I think the main problem is kilt

(21:36:17) <Purpender> if he knew what he was doing he would have seen all of this long ago -.-

(21:36:44) <Purpender> hes a nice guy and all. but if he thinks this is running a clan, he is wrong - this is running a dictatorship...

(21:37:02) <Purpender> and i really do like kilt - as a person.

(21:37:21) <Thunder> he probably only wants things run by him cause idiots (dak) made decisions that he didnt like and were bad fer clan

(21:37:28) <Purpender> i haven't always, but recently we have forged a bond.

(21:37:37) <Purpender> well then he needs to learn to become a collective

(21:37:39) <Purpender> and listen to other people

(21:37:55) <Purpender> because half the problem is that kilt decides everything in this clan..

(21:38:20) <Purpender> most of it is his fault, but some of it is the councillor's fault
(21:38:44) <Purpender> probably because you guys don't know what to do.
(21:38:57) <Thunder> ok then

(21:39:01) <Thunder> ill be more independent

(21:39:14) <Purpender> well

(21:39:19) <Purpender> in a sense, that is what you want to do

(21:39:29) <Purpender> but kilt needs to be more dependant, in order for it to work....
(21:40:05) <Purpender> kilt needs to have counsel. and if hes not getting it from the council, hes going to be getting it from me, and that just makes you guys look bad =X
(21:40:15) <Purpender> or at least, he'll be getting it from me ... soon