dont even try telling me otherwise which is what xhr does unless its done unobtrusively which I do red_herring, keeb, you guys gong to be around in about an hour or so? s/gong/going mhm gong well, if not ill backlog erstazi, unobstrustively ? yes read up on unobtrusive javascript erstazi, meaning? red_herring: i have a general programming question, but i have to run out quick.. i'll be back I believe javascript is just an extra add on to the experience... just like css is erstazi, it is. kbrooks, but most don't do it unobtrusively hexidigital: k well heres my philosophy we keep building on old software sayign "BLAH WE ALREADY HAVE XXX AND YYY WHY A NEW ZZZ" exactly we needed dynamic html so we got javascript we needed asyncrhonous js xmlhttprequest has been there forever so we got ajax and its just become a huge mess actually ajax is nothing its a buzzword erstazi: i know xhr() has been in EMCAscript since 1.2 or such but the concept started getting widely used its nothing new yes anyways and it saves bandwidth, server load its grown complicated I guess you can say that and every time we push the ceiling a little higher only to find the next round we need to push it more it takes a huge percentage of the load off a server thats all I can say why not start grounds up with a 100% fresh new idea that has much more potential just 1 scripting language red_herring, based on what? fuck that jsut 1 api ANY scripting language python ruby javascript even just no html xhtml isn't bad well if you use a scripting language you can make games in-browser been done you can make 3d envs inbrowser dhtml any of you guys want an svn log parser written in PHP? keeb: ihve yet to go through my svn logs.... erstazi: i know its been done * yipe has quit (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) * yipe (n=yipe@12-210-128-194.client.mchsi.com) has joined ##trangle * ChanServ gives channel operator status to yipe but can you make a secondlife inside your browser? its only basic 2d games tht can be played red_herring: with flash you can adn dont evne TRY to tell me that dhtml is nearly as simple as ruby or python or lua or erlang or ANY otehr scripting language keeb: no thats shockwave and thats Highly proprietary red_herring: same thing (i know it isnt) and still based around HTTP/HTML i dont understand why you're trying to get away from http/html it kinda sucks at the end of a transfer the connection ends streaming is a hack I guess its called a hack i think different apps serve different purposes and hooking them together is the key, not redefining what the app should do and there is open source flash erstazi: gnash sucks wang chung * yipe has quit (Remote closed the connection) plus theres the ability to work offline that's my view on it. that theres no way anything http/html based can do red_herring, so you have something better than http 1.1? ind mind s/ind/in preexisting? no Hmm.../join #wilug i think being able to create a life dashboard -- in whatever language you want I just swallowed a transistor spasticteapot: im from chicago. is the next 'big' thing red_herring: That was a typo. life dashboard? spasticteapot: k. yes * yipe (n=yipe@12-210-128-194.client.mchsi.com) has joined ##trangle * ChanServ gives channel operator status to yipe red_herring, how would you implement it? offline? the future is apps online supposively so getting "offline" would never happen erstazi: not 100% of the time i'd still like my writely files and writely when im on the train not that i use writely cuz javascript is slow think: blog photos music movies tv - integrated with a voip type thing accessible anywhere - 1 click access to anyone who cares completely customizable keeb: mhm see you'll tell me its all possible in DHTML yep but it'll take you 1000 devs it is, because i've implemented it. working for over a year what i just described is my house. ? FringeLicious: Are you here? from anywhere i can access all of that stuff, red_herring and stream it keeb: as in you have a server running drupal? red_herring, why is HTML sucky red_herring: no, i use about 20 different technologies to get it done. red_herring, and HTTP too music = mpd tv/movies = jinzora keeb: mhm you still did use all their work blogging software = self created and they still dont work together they sure do from a web browser anywhere in the world i can control what shows up on my projector kbrooks: HTTP and HTML were built for single static webpages what the surround sound in my house is playing what photos are available on my gallery and for serial connectins that close after the transport is finished and update my journal ;d they've been added on to its like macOS MacOS7 was its primetime erm <7 red_herring, and then suddenly new technologies came out that MacOS was not built to handle all hell breaks loose it could be done but it wasnt designed for it and os9 was a disaster finally Apple decided to scratch the whole OS and start anew what do we call that now? OSX osx is better than ever what apple nerds heil as the greatest OS ever why? Because they stopped hacking upon their old system and moved on to a fresh start os9 compatability was an afterthought thats the way web3.0 should be keeb: can you send an instant message to yoru server to tell it to play X music or to stream something or post a blog via AIM? wow, it's discoflux * RaptorGoesRawr has quit (Connection timed out) if i designed a protocol, it could be as easy to make a chat server using it than it would to make a content server the 50th of discord, pungenday blah thats just my opinion