Aug 17 05:44:30 they should _also_ teach Flying Spaghetti Monster- creationism Aug 17 05:45:02 they should also teach my theory of creation Aug 17 05:45:14 man_in_shack: oh yeah, what's that like? :) Aug 17 05:45:45 mushed, in it's most complex form, it relies on quantum physics because it's based on an event being caused by its product Aug 17 05:46:39 it also relies on time travel being a possibility, and the natural curiosity of people Aug 17 05:47:00 basically, you get a guy in a time machine who wants to observe the big bang Aug 17 05:47:11 to find out once and for all how it actually happened Aug 17 05:48:05 so he calculates the exact spacetime coordinates of the big bang and programs his time machine to get there before it happens Aug 17 05:48:14 so he can observe it from the beginning Aug 17 05:48:54 so off he goes in his little time machine, which incidentally is the shape of an original mazda 121 Aug 17 05:48:55 ;) Aug 17 05:49:16 lol Aug 17 05:49:24 problem is, that before the big bang, there is no spacetime Aug 17 05:49:33 the universe does not exist Aug 17 05:49:45 i was just about to say that Aug 17 05:49:47 :) Aug 17 05:49:58 so you can't observe its creation no matter how far back you go Aug 17 05:50:15 because you only end up appearing at the creation of the universe Aug 17 05:50:25 "creation" Aug 17 05:50:29 yeah Aug 17 05:50:33 whatever Aug 17 05:50:34 well, you'll end up in an early universe Aug 17 05:50:45 assuming time travel is possible, which i don't :) Aug 17 05:50:54 the universe manifests itself to compensate for the fact that something exists within it Aug 17 05:51:15 sorry, that's too fancy language for me :) Aug 17 05:51:21 at least, i don't understand the context Aug 17 05:51:23 heh Aug 17 05:51:35 well, you try observing the creation of the universe Aug 17 05:52:05 but because there's no universe when you get there, the universe manifests itself in the form of a massive explosion of energy Aug 17 05:52:20 you are destroyed in the process and scatted amongst the stars Aug 17 05:52:40 if someone else tries the same thing, they also get scattered amongst the stars Aug 17 05:53:33 the big bang was probably a result of multiple time machines intersecting each other at the exact same spacetime coordinates Aug 17 05:53:38 before anything else existed Aug 17 05:53:52 hmm Aug 17 05:53:55 but even if there was only one of them, the theory stands Aug 17 05:54:14 well, from my understanding Aug 17 05:54:19 it just means there was a hell of a lot more energy released by that one ship when it got there Aug 17 05:54:24 the big bang started as a little ball, of matterAug 17 05:54:34 that's the current there Aug 17 05:54:35 *theory Aug 17 05:54:40 hmm Aug 17 05:54:46 but there are some big problems with it Aug 17 05:54:52 well, taking that theory, you might end up being _part of_ the ball of matter Aug 17 05:54:55 1) where did the matter come from in the first place? Aug 17 05:55:02 if we assume that time travel is possible, and one did so Aug 17 05:55:07 man_in_shack: yeah, go on... Aug 17 05:55:15 2) what caused it to explode? Aug 17 05:55:16 * mushed is reminded of the Law of Conservation of Matter Aug 17 05:55:19 ... Aug 17 05:55:26 3) how long is it supposed to have been stable? Aug 17 05:55:42 my theory makes more sense Aug 17 05:55:53 it doesn't rely on there being anything before time itself Aug 17 05:56:33 and the law of conservation of energy is fine, but we're talking about extreme circumstances here Aug 17 05:56:45 there's not so much a void as a lack of anything at all, including space and time Aug 17 05:56:56 then suddenly there's something from the distant future Aug 17 05:57:10 and reality has to compensate for that Aug 17 05:57:14 brb Aug 17 05:57:32 you get this sudden, massive burst of energy Aug 17 05:58:52 the current accepted theory is that the energy/matter has always been here, like a vorlon Aug 17 05:59:31 but everyone knows that the vorlons came from somewhere. after all, the shadows are older than them, though not by much