Apr 25 01:27:53 <man_in_shack>  some day i'll have to tell you my theory of how the universe was created
Apr 25 01:28:42 <Quiddity>      On a bet?
Apr 25 01:28:45 <man_in_shack>  which does sort-of defy the law of conservation of energy, but my argument is that the big bang theory does too
Apr 25 01:28:53 <Quiddity>      I think its as likely as anything else...
Apr 25 01:29:03 <man_in_shack>  my theory works in tandom with it
Apr 25 01:29:13 <man_in_shack>  i think we have time now
Apr 25 01:29:38 <man_in_shack>  it's basically this
Apr 25 01:30:11 <man_in_shack>  at some point, somewhere in the timeline of the universe, someone builds a time machine
Apr 25 01:30:54 <man_in_shack>  then someone, possibly the same person/people, decides to settle the greatest ever philosophical question and go back in time to observe the birth of the universe
Apr 25 01:31:20 <man_in_shack>  whether they want to meet god or just watch the big bang, either way, it doesn't affect the theory
Apr 25 01:31:43 <man_in_shack>  so they put in all their calculations, and say "let's go to before the start of the universe"
Apr 25 01:31:55 <man_in_shack>  not realising that there IS no before the start of the universe
Apr 25 01:31:55 <Quiddity>      Maybe it just happened because it was always going to happen.
Apr 25 01:32:02 <Quiddity>      Just like the Iraq invasion.
Apr 25 01:32:07 <man_in_shack>  hehe
Apr 25 01:32:18 <Quiddity>      Okay as interesting as this and it is interesitng...
Apr 25 01:32:20 <Quiddity>      I have to go to bed
Apr 25 01:32:23 <Quiddity>      keep yawning
Apr 25 01:32:26 <man_in_shack>  i'll keep talking
Apr 25 01:32:30 <man_in_shack>  but you can read it later
Apr 25 01:34:03 <man_in_shack>  so yeah
Apr 25 01:34:34 <man_in_shack>  when they tried to go back to BEFORE the big bang, they actually arrived at the point OF the big bang
Apr 25 01:35:01 <man_in_shack>  at which point, without the intervention of the time machine, no time or space would have existed
Apr 25 01:35:19 <man_in_shack>  suddenly there is now this block of matter and energy that has to be contained in time and space!
Apr 25 01:35:39 <man_in_shack>  so it goes boom with the full force of energy required to create the universe
Apr 25 01:35:40 <man_in_shack>  :P
Apr 25 01:36:13 <man_in_shack>  of course, it's quite possible that MANY people attempt this mission, and they would all materialise in the exact same time and space
Apr 25 01:36:20 <man_in_shack>  thus being another reason for things going boom
Apr 25 01:36:42 <man_in_shack>  this means that the universe is not necessarily spherical in nature
Apr 25 01:36:58 <man_in_shack>  and it also allows for the existence of life in the universe
Apr 25 01:37:30 <man_in_shack>  since the people manning the time machines/ships would have their molecules fragmented and scattered all over the universe
Apr 25 01:37:38 <man_in_shack>  depending on where they were in the ship at the time
Apr 25 01:38:01 <man_in_shack>  so there'd be a lot of planets that have the building blocks necessary for life
Apr 25 01:38:33 <man_in_shack>  then, for example, on earth, a chance meeting of those building blocks in a certain temperature environment produces coherent life
Apr 25 01:38:43 <man_in_shack>  many, many billions of years later
Apr 25 01:38:46 <man_in_shack>  the end
Apr 25 01:38:47 <man_in_shack>  :)