Ron to lance we need to chat about the site...I'm gonna let Bosco take over...since your time is soo taken and have little time for the site..I would appreciate showing him the ropes...then I need to chat you up at practice about sum things Reply Reply to all Forward Your message has been sent. Lance to Ron More options 5:03 am (0 minutes ago) I would need boscos help of course, which is only one of the reasons I have been teaching him as much as I can over the past couple months, what I do takes years to learn. Bosco still has a lot to learn about unix/www however he is learning at a phenominal rate. It' is not about "taking over" nor is it about a lack of time. I have been working on the server for several hours a day every day, ask anyone what I have been working on any time they message me, if i even answer at all which is often the case as I often have ims on an isolated screen without sound when I am working so I am not distracted. Bosco and Aaron can both attest to this. I have been asking for help from day one. However if you dont want me touching the site that is fine, i do not know why you would have the gears stop but thats not my call. I take pride in my work and ec has never gotten any less than my very best work. I feel about the website the same way you say you often feel about the youth, you do it because it is needed not because you always want to, and you get furstrated when no one understands or appreciates it. Which dispite my mood is why i usually show up because I appreciate what you do. All my time has been taken WORKING on the server so everybodys sites run smoothly. I spind most of the last couple days working on more effective ways to get the dns server traffic to go and had about 5 people recruited on irc back and forth helping me test in depth ecs connectiviy from various parts of the world. As I said if you do not want me working on the site that is fine, that is one huge less burden, but It is not for lack of me spending time on it. I easily spend more time on the site than anyone spends working on anything ec related outside of your family. The fact I have never once had a thank you or the hundreds of man hours of free volenteer work I let go because I did not do it for you, or ec, or anyone. I did and do my best because it is for a ministry I have faith is on the right track and to make sure they have the best website tho help faclitate that. This is why many, many times I have dug into my own pocket and gone nights without sleep to make sure it is at the best it can be. You have let other people take over before like aaron and shannon who both but forth a huge amount of effort that I commend them for, but what it comes down to it is not their area of expertise with the years of effort it takes to learn what is required to make a full flash/php/unix webserver/site operate. I could and have always needed HELP but any time there is anything tech related everyone just dumps it on me and I have never once complained, Iive just done my best and oftentimes failed to keep up with the massive amounts of work many people expect from me. If i sound a bit miffed at you in this email that is not the case so much as my general frustration. From your standpoint I am sure it might seem as I am this big egotistical lazy bum that goofs around on the internet all day and diddles with the ec site once in a great while when he is bored. That assumption, which seems to be a concensis, could not be further from the truth and is a very offensive accusation that I am sick of having to defend myself from. In any event i said what needed to be said, I will continue to teach bosco all i can, as i have been, because he is very intelligent and i want to see him reach his peak for his own sake because he is my friend and i want to see him succeed in the industry and in life where I have failed. He however will not likely be able to "take over" as you specified like you are wanting any more than i knew what http stood for was my first year in the scene. I will see you at practice and I am open minded to any reply. I seek no division, only truth. - Show quoted text - On 4/8/06, Ron Cronkhite wrote: > we need to chat about the site...I'm gonna let Bosco take over...since your > time is soo taken and have little time for the site..I would appreciate > showing him the ropes...then I need to chat you up at practice about sum > things > -- ~In Him~ Lance Vick http://LancesLife.com