seb-: no .. it's not abrotman: what is it then? seb-: http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/ abrotman: dual licensing...but still gpl compatible! seb-: not quite .. seb-: it's got conditional licensing abrotman: but those conditions are no different than any other gpl'd app seb-: wrong abrotman: if they provide gpl'd versions i still don't see what the problem is...they can't constrain the GPL with extra conditions abrotman: that is the beauty of the gpl seb-: go to #mysql .. tell them you're writing a closed source app that you intend to sell .. but you're using MySQL .. ask them which license you need seb-: they do have two licenses .. it is not free for closed apps abrotman: either is linux or any other gpl'd app..so what? seb-: i don't think you understand how the licensing works abrotman: are you going to boycott linux and openoffice ? seb-: you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about abrotman: the gpl was never intended to be used for closed apps abrotman: perhaps you want is under a BSD/MIT license instead? seb-: you've already proven you don't know what you're talking about abrotman: tell me what i said that is wrong instead of just making declarations unfounded abrotman: you still can't say what i said that is wrong..i know licensing as well as you seb-: go read the mysql site again .. you're missing something seb-: read the FAQ if you need to abrotman: they dual license mysql..you can get gpl'd code for free or pay for closed...so what? seb-: are you serious? abrotman: if you read the first sentence of your FAQ you mentioned you'll see they mention dual license... seb-: you can't use MySQL if your app isn't GPLed .. and it's not even a linked-in app abrotman: you can pay to make mysql part of a closed app...perhaps you should read the page again seb-: no shit .. thank you for proving my point .. abrotman: that is *more* choices than linux kernel provides...again i ask...so what? seb-: no .. the kernel doesn't require you to open source your app that runs on the linux kernel seb-: you're still not getting it seb-: you shouldn't have to pay mysql at all .. it's not linked to the database seb-: but thier licensing says that you have to seb-: the GPL makes no such stipulation seb-: get it now? abrotman: they can't do that...they can't *add* conditions to gpl'd software abrotman: they may try but FSF won't agree seb-: it's dual licensed .. don't like it .. sue mysql AB seb-: noone has stopped them yet .. why don't you try suing them abrotman: we both agree what mysql is doing is indefensible seb-: eh? seb-: what is indefensible? abrotman: we both agree they should not and cannot no (legally) do what they're supposedly doing...(adding extra constraints to gpl'd code) seb-: they can legally do it seb-: why can they not add extra constratints to gpl code? seb-: and they do it now .. and people pay stew: the gpl simply does not allow it seb-: oh wait abrotman: what i told stew seb-: you are saying they took code that was already gpled then added extra restrictions seb-: it's dual-licensed I guess seb-: then sun MySQL seb-: this is exactly the same as with TrollTech an Qt, FWIW stew: that is what abrotman is claiming seb-: or are you saying that they took code they own the copyright to and released it under a modified gpl (there is a big difference) seb-: they cannot do the former, but the can do the latter stew: tell abrotman that stew: i agree seb-: so i'll see your lawsuit next week then? abrotman, stew: SELinux is GPL'd and the creators..(Secure Computing) tried to use a patent to constrain the code...they LOST...similar situation seb-: ok .. guess what .. until you do something about it .. stop whining .. mysql has dual licensed it .. noone has challenged them .. evilgeek: but then you are making a new license...not using the gpl seb-: you're not willing to stop them .. so what does it matter?