Simon: out of respect I'm sending this email to you and not the list. Enlightenment has always been about freedom. (from a certain perspective) The question about a common HIG has been brought up many times and _always_ been neglected, and for a good cause. The way I see, if Rasterman pushes his own control and agenda at every opportunity and changes what seems to be the _main_ scope of the project, why should the developer community have to conform to the changes? Two words: you don't. Has Rasterman ever _dictated_ what you can or cannot do? Did he not give you or Hisham the go-ahead to put ETK in cvs? Considering all the effort that Nathan and many like him put into EWL? Having two EFL based toolkits (etk and ewl) is nothing short but effort wasted. It hurts the project, it hurts it's image (as vain as it may sound). It makes it seems like there is no direction. "....It's not a threat or blackmail (anyway, I'm pretty sure most of the devs working on e17 don't even care about Etk...), I just don't see why I would share a CVS with a project that I can't even define and that I can't even tell where it is heading toward.." Why the sudden revolt? Are you not contradicting yourself? Did you not chose your own path and create your own EFL based toolkit? (when there was already a semi-official one) Besides all the confusion that it adds (having two totally distinct toolkits), do you not agree that it _actually_ hurts the project. Believe me, it is not my intention to bash ETK. If you were in Chicago we might have discussed this over a couple of beers. The big problem is that Rasterman has demonstrated to be a lousy leader. And Nathan suffers the same dilemma. Either from lack of time, or simple because of timezone differences. I felt like there are boundaries people are not willing to walk or break, talk, speak freely, and for the past couple of weeks these are the sort of questions I've had in mind. Alberto