2007-07-12T12:52:26 marex_v2: ping 2007-07-12T12:58:08 ugh joy 2007-07-12T12:58:13 more mailing list love 2007-07-12T12:58:16 -_- 2007-07-12T12:59:19 wfarr: what do you think about mergeing the forums now and do the theming later? 2007-07-12T12:59:36 I think it would be a massive mistake that'd come back to bite us in the ass later 2007-07-12T12:59:51 why? 2007-07-12T13:00:04 the one thing that I happen to agree with RYX on is the need to take our time and do things right 2007-07-12T13:00:47 why? namely because things like an integrated website and wiki still need doing (we're kind of held up by the theme right now) too 2007-07-12T13:01:10 what good would it be to launch a merged forum while not having a real quality home page or merged documentation? 2007-07-12T13:02:27 I don't like how long this is taking more than anyone else is, but still, I'd rather have it take longer than expected to turn out a good product than rush something out the door and regret it later 2007-07-12T13:03:59 The point is that theming != world. And a project can still have a forum/homepage without theming for a while. And this is better then having nothing 2007-07-12T13:05:17 I disagree with the last part of your statement. I think throwing an unfinished product on the masses with the promise of "Oh - we'll fix it later" _is_ worse than making people wait a little longer 2007-07-12T13:05:38 for now, they have compiz.org and oc.org to post to 2007-07-12T13:05:51 so at least they're not without any forum altogether 2007-07-12T13:06:41 leaving the users with a not maintained homepage and 2 forums is not professinal from my POV 2007-07-12T13:07:16 leaving the users with a half-finished main page and forum, and no documentation is even less professional 2007-07-12T13:08:08 this delay sucks - but that's not anyone else's fault other than RYX's 2007-07-12T13:08:33 iXce and I can pick up where he left off (which means pretty much doing the brunt of the work since he barely started on the actual implementation) 2007-07-12T13:08:42 I dont't think that without a theme means half finished 2007-07-12T13:09:38 I think a lot of the members might disagree 2007-07-12T13:10:20 If you'll remember, when we first installed vB (before people installed phpbb3 over the top), a fairly significant portion of users were very upset at the lack of a theme and the promise to do one later 2007-07-12T13:11:26 And if you look at the oc forum then you will see that there is a forum that has more posts and that works quite well without a theme 2007-07-12T13:16:47 I'm sorry, but I still think pushing things out the door before we have an implemented and working final product is a mistake. 2007-07-12T13:18:11 the code is our product not the homepage 2007-07-12T13:19:14 The homepage and forum and documentation are just as much a product as the code. It was what represents us and the quality of the project as a whole when people are looking for support or how-to's or even trying to decide if they want to use Compiz Fusion vs. KDE4's compositing. 2007-07-12T13:19:25 was => is 2007-07-12T13:20:34 But having an old unmaintained homepage and 2 forums doesn't show professionality 2007-07-12T13:20:59 And neither does throwing out a cobbled together homepage and a forum with the default theme. 2007-07-12T13:21:33 But at least doing it this way gives us the freedom to give users a final product as opposed to throwing a "beta" on the masses and telling them "Oh - we'll fix it later". 2007-07-12T13:21:50 *** coz_ has joined #compiz-fusion-dev 2007-07-12T13:22:30 But how long will it take until we have this "final product" 2007-07-12T13:23:10 *** jeffdame1h has quit IRC 2007-07-12T13:23:17 That, I can't say for sure. Now that Rico's bailed on us, and iXce and I don't have the templates he made, chances are we're either going to have to try and make templates in GIMP based on what he had, or come up with our own. 2007-07-12T13:23:54 Not to mention, I'm gone all of next week and working every day the following week, after which, school starts too. 2007-07-12T13:24:13 I'll make time as best I can, but Rico walking out before getting anything really done as far as the theme goes 2007-07-12T13:24:19 was a pretty big setback 2007-07-12T13:24:47 code is our product 2007-07-12T13:25:11 the rest of it is not important 2007-07-12T13:25:19 I beg to differ. 2007-07-12T13:25:40 In beryl we set up homepage/wiki/forums/planet and the theming was done later, and it worked pefectly 2007-07-12T13:25:49 *** maniac103 has quit IRC 2007-07-12T13:25:49 *** epic has quit IRC 2007-07-12T13:26:31 so i'm guessing compiz.org is sticking around 2007-07-12T13:26:41 *** epic has joined #compiz-fusion-dev 2007-07-12T13:26:54 Amaranth, that was the plan from the beginning - that compiz will have its own main page 2007-07-12T13:27:03 however, it will be one 'integrated' site 2007-07-12T13:27:06 no no, i mean as-is 2007-07-12T13:27:13 onestone, pong 2007-07-12T13:27:26 As-is? Most likely not 2007-07-12T13:27:37 wfarr: I believe that's up to RYX 2007-07-12T13:27:55 marex_v2: int descriptions for list settings doesn't work http://www.pastebin.ca/615373 2007-07-12T13:28:09 uh... you realize that iXce and I are very much responsible for these things too? 2007-07-12T13:28:17 And beyond that, that RYX had a tiff and quit (again) 2007-07-12T13:28:18 ? 2007-07-12T13:28:34 wfarr: you have access to the dreamhost account and domain name? 2007-07-12T13:28:53 I do not - that's Jeff's (imnotpc) territory I believe 2007-07-12T13:28:58 yes 2007-07-12T13:29:22 we've had plenty of talk on the ML, and the fair consensus seems to be an integrated 'site' for Compiz and Compiz Fusion 2007-07-12T13:29:39 such that compiz has its own homepage, as does Compiz Fusion, but the two share documentation, forums, et al. 2007-07-12T13:29:47 wfarr: so you're using compiz.org for compiz and compiz-fusion? 2007-07-12T13:30:02 domain name-wise? 2007-07-12T13:30:19 *** maniac103 has joined #compiz-fusion-dev 2007-07-12T13:30:41 onestone, hm? doesn't animation already used a (working) list with int desc's? 2007-07-12T13:30:54 not as list 2007-07-12T13:30:57 for the effect selection 2007-07-12T13:32:09 there is no int list with descriptions 2007-07-12T13:32:51 ah sorry yeah thats not a list... 2007-07-12T13:33:30 if you install this xml you will get a dialog with matchentry/slider/slider/string entry instead of match entry/dropdown/slider/string entry 2007-07-12T13:35:30 so you want a list widget with a drop-down cellrenderer? 2007-07-12T13:37:56 marex_v2: if you click on add you will get the merged lists dialog but this dialog should support int descriptions 2007-07-12T13:38:22 oh I see.. yeah should be easy to fix.. sec 2007-07-12T13:39:00 marex_v2: the list widget could later get direct editing functionality 2007-07-12T13:40:35 hm, yeah.. not sure how I'm going to do that in this case (variable cell count etc.) but I'll take a look at it 2007-07-12T13:41:00 wfarr: whom did you address in your posting? 2007-07-12T13:47:48 *** Pafy has quit IRC 2007-07-12T13:50:11 *** Pricey has joined #compiz-fusion-dev 2007-07-12T13:51:24 maniac103, just people in general 2007-07-12T13:51:42 *** Pafy has joined #compiz-fusion-dev 2007-07-12T13:52:07 wfarr: ok 2007-07-12T13:52:19 do you really think we should wait for RYX to get the theme ready? 2007-07-12T13:52:41 from what I hear and see from him, it will take at least several months 2007-07-12T13:52:49 ... haha 2007-07-12T13:52:53 now that's a joke 2007-07-12T13:53:01 several months? definitely not 2007-07-12T13:53:02 huh? it isn't 2007-07-12T13:53:05 no 2007-07-12T13:53:19 once he wraps up things with his current client, it can't take more than a week or two - tops 2007-07-12T13:53:38 wfarr: maybe true, but only if he actually _wants_ 2007-07-12T13:53:49 yeah, I suppose 2007-07-12T13:53:50 *** PriceChild has quit IRC 2007-07-12T13:54:23 and the problem is that he changes his mind twice a day 2007-07-12T13:54:28 yeah 2007-07-12T13:54:56 I dunno... I got a buddy who's a pretty good web designer. He's doing an internship this summer, but if things with RYX's theme don't pan out, I'll try and see if I can get him to pitch in and make a theme. I'm afraid he might be too busy to do it though. 2007-07-12T13:56:05 wfarr: ok, but we need some sort of deadline or at least a vague forecast when it will be done 2007-07-12T13:56:11 if you can give me the artwork i can do the coding :) 2007-07-12T13:56:19 olol? 2007-07-12T13:56:39 wfarr: I mean, we need a deadline how long to wait for RYX 2007-07-12T13:56:46 if you don't have any artwork i can do some very nice subtle things with simple images and CSS 2007-07-12T13:57:00 i don't really like image-heavy websites anyway :) 2007-07-12T13:57:40 hello everyone :) 2007-07-12T13:58:17 hi Pafy 2007-07-12T13:59:41 maniac103, if he isn't at least working on it again by this weekend 2007-07-12T13:59:54 then we'll start figuring something out 2007-07-12T14:00:02 wfarr: ok, that makes sense 2007-07-12T14:00:05 poy Pafy 2007-07-12T14:00:16 now, I've got to go to a meeting at my school 2007-07-12T14:00:16 =)