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gavintlgold: that would mean i just need 6 diggs
crdlb: lol it's definitely not that simple :_
Fyda: crdlb: I get that sort of thing too, where Firepaint stops responding to the keybinding until I click on a window or a panel.
crdlb: :)*
Jupiter1tx: ok that is too weird, it all works now, simple re-install
Fyda: crdlb: And the same for cube rotate.
Amaranth: gavintlgold: it's the # of diggs plus time between diggs
gavintlgold: Amaranth: i see... well, it might fall off of upcoming
gavintlgold: that's ok
crdlb: and it's constantly being tweaked
crdlb: a bit like google's search results
Amaranth: gavintlgold: well, it's actually even more complicated than that but i've seen things on there with over 100 diggs that never made it to the frontpage and i've seen things with 23 diggs made it
gavintlgold: it's near the end of upcoming... 18 hours
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AlgorthmicContro: hey coz_
gavintlgold: interesting..
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, hey guy  plese tell me everything is working
coz_: :)
crdlb: 20 diggs in 18 hours won't do it
AlgorthmicContro: coz_: I hadn't had the time to install anything at all
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, oh ok then everything IS working  :)
AlgorthmicContro: coz_: Right :)
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, seems everyone is haveing some sort of problem ...maybe wait a few days for fusion :)
gavintlgold: well, it's very big now, lets hope a few people visit the cloud view and think it interesting
gavintlgold: maybe i shouldn't have done it in videos sectin :/ linux was probs a better idea
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ken: ok, what needs to be changed to get it to stop being transparent when I move my windows around??
gavintlgold: if someone else added it as a story say, tomorrow when it expires, that would be cool
gavintlgold: under linux
Jupiter1tx: what time
gavintlgold: ken: move plugin
gavintlgold: opacity
gavintlgold: Jupiter1tx: no one knows, but it's probably soon
isthatall: crdlb: where/how do I add that command to my fusion-icon?
MuNzE: http://img39.picoodle.com/img/img39/9/7/15/f_Screenshot3m_66a1cfd.png
gavintlgold: it's at the bottom of upcoming
AlgorthmicContro: coz_: I tried the default compiz packages...in Ubuntu, except Ubuntu locks up after 2 minutes of use.
MuNzE: lol
ken: man you guys got settings all over the place...
ken is now known as Snake
crdlb: isthatall, in that exact order?
isthatall: yes
***Snake thinks this manager needs a MAJOR overhaul...
crdlb: I'm not sure you could
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, well ok still .. hold off for a couple days it may get better :0
***crdlb loves ccsm
isthatall: oh well, I'll just use it manually then crdlb and use f-icon for the rest
Jupiter1tx: crdlb: me too
gavintlgold: ken: you can use advanced search to find things
Snake: crdlb: its not bad, but theres just too many settings in too many places
crdlb: yup
AlgorthmicContro: coz_: really?
AlgorthmicContro: coz_: What's the speculation ?
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, that is just my opinion right now
Jupiter1tx: Snake: it is a complicated piece of software, you could try and manage it with gconf....LOL
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, I am frustrated with my install of fusion so...
AlgorthmicContro: coz_: maybe Beryl?
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, might not be the right time to listem to me   :)
Snake: Jupiter1tx: ...haw, I tried that back when compiz was first released, and was one of the main reasons I moved to beryl :-P
AlgorthmicContro: Anyone does dev for compiz here?
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, beryl is ok   but if you want the enhances plugins, are they are nice, then fusion is the way to go
isthatall: crdlb Jupiter1tx going to test that in my gnome-sessions, I'll probably go down in flames but lets see, it's all about testing :)
Jupiter1tx: Snake: right right
Jupiter1tx: woohoo
Snake: is trailfocus broken for anyone else atm?
Jupiter1tx: not me
Snake: weird
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AlgorthmicContro: coz_: Help me install Beryl, properly, yeah?
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AlgorthmicContro: coz_: I started using linux a week ago.
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, a week ago?  ok
Snake: Jupiter1tx: aparently its not broke, I just needed more extreme settings to see the diff :)
AlgorthmicContro: coz_: Yep...
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, well i am going to have to give you over to someone else because my system is freeing wihtout warning tonight  and it will freeze if I stay on too long
Jupiter1tx: cool
isthatall: crdlb Jupiter1tx works like a charm
Jupiter1tx: great
AlgorthmicContro: Hey crdlb, how are you?
coz_: AlgorthmicContro, ardya is in #beryl right now hold on let me see if he can help
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gavintlgold: getting ready for bed
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Griswold: Hello all
Fyda: Greetings, Griswold!
isthatall: one more test
Jupiter1tx: heya Griswold
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gavintlgold: how might i change my away message?
gavintlgold: is that possible with gaim?
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Jupiter1tx: i don't know gaim
gavintlgold: w/e
gavintlgold: probably not
gavintlgold: i'm satisfied with what i've done today: installed new cool AWN, got get-git working, saw harry potter
gavintlgold: and ALMOST got frontpage digg :/
Jupiter1tx: today sucked for me, second day in a row my team got second place in a race
gavintlgold: hmm
isthatall: crdlb Jupiter1tx I don't know what to say, that command just rocks my box
Fyda: gavintlgold: Why not?
gavintlgold: Fyda: digg?
Fyda: gavintlgold: I mean for the Gaim away messay
Fyda: gavintlgold: message.
gavintlgold: Fyda: how do you do it?
Jupiter1tx: if it works, use it regardless
Fyda: gavintlgold: Uh... if you select Away, you can type a message?
Snake: so heres another good question...
gavintlgold: Fyda: i mean the IRC leaving message
Snake: How do I take off the transparency when I click on things like applications and places??
Fyda: gavintlgold: Oh. That used to be in the settings
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gavintlgold: ^
gavintlgold: like that
gavintlgold: i know it exists for xchat, but i like the all-in-one-ness
Jupiter1tx: Snake: have you looked at the Opacify plugin
Snake: Jupiter1tx: not activated
isthatall: crdlb: guy2@sancho:~$ ps -ef|grep compiz  guy2      6975  6796  1 23:02 pts/0    00:00:04 compiz __GL_YIELD=NOTHING --indirect-rendering --replace --sm-disable --ignore-desktop-hints ccp
gavintlgold: any geek way of doing it? like /quit or something/
gavintlgold: ?
Snake: gavintlgold: /quit <msg> ill do it
Snake: will*
Snake: for departing..
gavintlgold: Snake: cool
gavintlgold: :D
Jupiter1tx: isthatall: your computer name cracks me up, do you know what that means
isthatall: Jupiter1tx: I named it after sancho panza
Amaranth: sorrow
Amaranth: that's mine :)
Jupiter1tx: ooh ok, wrong sancho
Snake: Jupiter1tx: any other ideas?
crdlb: lol mine is thinkpad
gavintlgold: hey fyda, could you add a fusioncast factoid?
isthatall: crdlb: at least it's not pantilinerpad or something
Fyda: gavintlgold: Um, okay.
Jupiter1tx: in spanish, sancho is the guy that comes to DO your wife while you are away at work or something
Fyda: gavintlgold: I haven't found the setting for Gaim's IRC quit message yet.
***Snake looks around...
gavintlgold: Fyda: that's ok
crdlb: isthatall, /me changes his hostname ...
isthatall: lol
crdlb: no it's ... not ... that at all
Fyda: gavintlgold: By the way, it's /part to leave a channel, not /leave.
gavintlgold: ok
isthatall: Jupiter1tx: I got this laptop in an 'exchange' of sorts and thought sancho panza would be a good person to name it after :)
gavintlgold: what about quit?
gavintlgold: no? Fyda
Snake: gavintlgold: depends on thee client
Jupiter1tx: lol
gavintlgold: ah.
Snake: sooooooooooo anyone, any ideas on why my menu items are seethrough?
gavintlgold: Fyda: so if i did /part Always look on the bright side of life! it would work?
Fyda: gavintlgold: /quit does work. With a message, too. And so does /part
gavintlgold: k Fyda
crdlb: Snake, trevinho?
gavintlgold: Snake: hold on
Snake: crdlb: yup
Fyda: !fusioncast is <reply> See gavintlgold's weekly FusionCast here: http://fusioncast.blogspot.com/
FusioBot: Fyda: I'll remember that, Fyda
gavintlgold: i have that, i like it
crdlb: because he's no crack
Jupiter1tx: isthatall: i thought maybe you laptop kept your wife company while you were at work....LOL
gavintlgold: :) thanks Fyda
Snake: crdlb: huh?
Jupiter1tx: who's on crack
crdlb: trevinho patched his compiz
isthatall: Jupiter1tx: no one can keep her busy, she's latina, she keeps the rest of the world busy
crdlb: packages
Jupiter1tx: right right
crdlb: to set that opacity rule
Snake: ....are you fsckin me?
Snake: so thats not a setting, thats a PATCH?
Fyda: gavintlgold: :/ if I had any privacy at home, or a good mic, I'd volunteer to do voiceovers.
crdlb: Snake, you can change it
Snake: crdlb: point me to it?
gavintlgold: Fyda: that would be cool
crdlb: he just patched it to make it the default
gavintlgold: for some variation
crdlb: Snake, general options>opacity settings
isthatall: I don't know, I have tested this command line now 87 ways from sunday and it works incredibly, like it used to about 3 weeks ago, and faster than oldtime beryl as well...I'm keepin' it. :)
Fyda: gavintlgold: Haha, thing is, I have a nervous habit where I lapse into a British accent I picked up from an ex :/
Fyda: gavintlgold: Not sure that'd help :P
gavintlgold: also, i'm not going to be online at all for the month of august
Snake: crdlb: everytime I delete that thing in it.. it comes back..
gavintlgold: Fyda: whatever :D
Jupiter1tx: Fyda: you are too funny
gavintlgold: i'm sure folks will get bored of my voice eventually
crdlb: Snake, which backend are you using?
Snake: crdlb: meaning? aiglx?
Jupiter1tx: gavin you have a   good voice to record,,,, most people don't
crdlb: Snake, settings backend
gavintlgold: reason: i'm going to austria to see my gf !! :)
crdlb: in ccsm
Snake: ah
crdlb: click backend & profile
Snake: umm
Snake: gconf
crdlb: switch to flat file
crdlb: gconf had some serious bugs
gavintlgold: Jupiter1tx: thanks. I read everything from a script i write beforehand, because otherwise i'd stutter ;)
Snake: heh
|thunder: i have the ultimate voice
crdlb: that haven't been fixed in trevinho's packages yet
Fyda: gavintlgold: Yeah, I'd need a good script.
Fyda: gavintlgold: Can't talk off the cuff, no.
gavintlgold: Snake: sorry, i'm to lazy to find it.. and it's late
Amaranth: Jupiter1tx: btw, that's called 'Jody' in the US
gavintlgold: Fyda: that's the wonder of IRC
Snake: crdlb: its cool, I just set the value to 100, rather than 80, problem solved
Snake: gavintlgold: I got, thanks man :)
Jupiter1tx: Amaranth: yep, heard that one too
Amaranth: Jupiter1tx: never name your kids jody :)
Snake: and yeah, I dont think I like his packages
Jupiter1tx: right right.....LOL
Snake: Is quinn still packaging at all?
Amaranth: for some reason i was stuck scrolled up at that spot
Amaranth: Snake: no
Snake: :(
Snake: is he even around any more?......
Amaranth: Doesn't need to, we have good packages
Amaranth: Not much, works at VMWare now
Snake: ah
Jupiter1tx: lol
gavintlgold: but I think it would be really cool if we could have others record their own segments, then email to me
gavintlgold: would show community :)
Jupiter1tx: i have a terrible voice for recording
Snake: eh, yeah but for example, the trev packages seem to be the most popular, and as crdlb pointed out
Snake: he seems to be on crack
crdlb: yup
Fyda: gavintlgold: Yes! Would be nice to have different sections with different narrators.
Jupiter1tx: maybe we can ask Deciare
gavintlgold: i should install gstreamer svn and see if it still pops
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Fyda: gavintlgold: Hehe, I wanted to do that for an online community singathon xD
gavintlgold: ok, that wil be my last thing for the night
Fyda: gavintlgold: But no one shared my enthusiasm :P
gavintlgold: haha
Jupiter1tx: or make a post and ask people who want to send a sample audio of their voice, we have to make sure they sound good and not boring or monotone
gavintlgold: Jupiter1tx: sure, that's not hard to find out
Fyda: Jupiter1tx: We'll have to see if I don't sound monotonous
gavintlgold: lol
gavintlgold: but i'm def. open to that
gavintlgold: fusioncast@gmail.com :)
gavintlgold: so i don't have to work so hard ;)
***Fyda wishes she had one of those voices good for commercials and stuff
Jupiter1tx: Fyda: if anything you are a word smith so you can help with scripting for sure
gavintlgold: i think we may run out of things to talk about though :/
gavintlgold: Jupiter1tx: :)
Fyda: Indeed.
gavintlgold: maybe i can also have a section to general prettifying of linux in general
Snake: I think I should go to sleep
Jupiter1tx: as long as we don't talk about how "cool it wobbles"
gavintlgold: like which are the best themes, panel bg's
gavintlgold: Jupiter1tx: lol
gavintlgold: oh!
Fyda: gavintlgold: I personally think you could've explained a little more about the color filter; it's for colour blind people who have different perceptions of contrast.
gavintlgold: we DEF. need a "compiz fusion myths" section
Jupiter1tx: gavintlgold: i think the first and important videos should all be like the one you did already, instructional, informative
Snake: its amazing how far compiz has come, I remeber being amazed at the cube and the wobbling windows. Now im like OMG ITS RAINING ON MY DESKTOP!!
gavintlgold: Fyda: sorry, didn't know for sure
gavintlgold: all about it
Snake: with fish in my cube
Fyda: gavintlgold: eg. you may think turquoise on blue is really bad contrast. for some people it's very good contrast
gavintlgold: aha
crdlb: and for web designers to simulate color blindness
gavintlgold: i'll mention that in next ep.
***gavintlgold adds to shownotes file 2
Fyda: :D
Fyda: gavintlgold: I'll try and find some resources for explaining colour blindness
gavintlgold: Fyda: great
gavintlgold: email them
Jupiter1tx: Fyda: that is an awfully big smile you have there
Fyda: gavintlgold: I saw a very interesting chart showing how to test for colour blindness, using dots and stuff
gavintlgold: :)
crdlb: s/colour/color/g
crdlb: :P
gavintlgold: ok, about the fusion myths:
Fyda: crdlb: Confound it :P
Jupiter1tx: lol
Snake: how do you use the color filter?
gavintlgold: i could explain that compiz fusion can by no means work under Windows or OS X
crdlb: s/confound/confond/g
Jupiter1tx: yes
gavintlgold: because some noobs ask that
gavintlgold: compiz fusion's cool. where can i go to get linux for windows?
Jupiter1tx: and that your video must be set correctly for composite desktop before installing compiz-fusion
gavintlgold: yup
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gavintlgold: maybe also that ati users don't have so much luck with it
gavintlgold: ?
gavintlgold: also mention dual screens?
Fyda: gavintlgold: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_blindness -- first place I looked and it's got lots of images.
gavintlgold: Snake: watch my video
Snake: Im runnin ATI, and it works fine :-P
Snake: gavintlgold: linky
gavintlgold: !fusioncast
FusioBot: See gavintlgold's weekly FusionCast here: http://fusioncast.blogspot.com/
Jupiter1tx: "composite video is not enabled by default, before installing c-f, please make sure to set your video settings according to blah blah blah, wiki"
Fyda: gavintlgold: Hahaha I still remember that email Kristian quoted
Snake: dah I need plugins
Fyda: gavintlgold: Someone asked how to run Compiz on Windows 2000 Server or something :/
Jupiter1tx: omg
gavintlgold: i'm just going to paste this whole chat into my notes, and remove all Snake's comments
gavintlgold: Fyda: lol
crdlb: lol
Jupiter1tx: LOL
Snake: ....
gavintlgold: Snake: just because it's not related
gavintlgold: :)
crdlb: that's not nice
***Fyda comforts Snake. :(
gavintlgold: i'm going to remove other comments too
Snake: lol
Jupiter1tx: it sucks when we get interrupted when chit-chatting
Jupiter1tx: LOL
gavintlgold: /sarcasm
Fyda: It sucks when support is interrupted by chit-chat.
Snake: Fyda: +1
gavintlgold: Fyda: genau
Fyda: But it still happens and I am a contributor to that, unfortunately.
Fyda: Like certain people here.
***Fyda glares.
Fyda: :D
Jupiter1tx: me #1
Snake: Hmmmm, any ubuntu users here?
gavintlgold: we need a #compiz-fusion-fyda-gavin-jupiter section
Fyda: Snake: Over here! Over here!
gavintlgold: Snake: yep
Jupiter1tx: lol
***Fyda waves like a windmill.
Snake: Do you guys happen to know what the name of that one package is
Snake: that gives you all the plugins?
***gavintlgold gets in front of fyda
Fyda: There's such a thing?
Snake: ubuntu-restricted.....something?
crdlb: -extras
Fyda: restricted-modules something?
Fyda: Oh
Fyda: _Those_ plugins.
gavintlgold: Snake: compiz-fusion-plugins-main, -unsupported, -wip
gavintlgold: ?
Fyda: But there's also -unsupported and -wip.
Snake: na its restricted-extras
Jupiter1tx: and extras
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Fyda: What's the "restricted" for?
Snake: I think?
Snake: lol
crdlb: they're restricted?
***gavintlgold has no idea
Snake: Fyda: their not "open source"
crdlb: yup
Snake: such as mp3 codecs etc
Fyda: ubuntu-restricted-extras !
Snake: ....
Jupiter1tx: hmm
crdlb: !!!
Fyda: Oh come now.
***Snake headdesks
crdlb: ???
Fyda: That was apt-cache search restricted
crdlb: !!!
gavintlgold: like all this ^ i'm deleting
crdlb: ???
Jupiter1tx: hehe
gavintlgold: has nothing to do with fusioncast
***crdlb deletes gavintlgold 
Jupiter1tx: HAHAHA
***Snake /ignore gavintlgold 
Snake: nothing to do with Snake
Snake: :-P
Fyda: crdlb: Oh no, you've turned into a Squaresoft RPG protagonist. :/
Jupiter1tx: omg, this is too funny
***gavintlgold needs to be run with superuser
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***Fyda whistles.
Snake: :D
Fyda: Hot damn whiskey.
Jupiter1tx: lol
Jupiter1tx: i am sweating i am laughing so hard
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Snake: eeek
Fyda: Urk.
Jupiter1tx: oops
***Snake hids from crdlb 
Snake: Fyda: how do you search app?
Fyda: Snake: apt-cache search <partial package name here>
Snake: man I have been out of linux for so long :P
crdlb: lol he's already in ##mac
Snake: apt-cache thats it
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Amaranth: crdlb: he joined right before you
crdlb: oh
crdlb: heh
Snake: Fyda: Ive been vista-ing for about the past 4 months :D
Amaranth: crdlb: I do idle in there :)
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Snake: wb!
gavintlgold: ha! i forced myself in
Fyda: Snake: Heh, I'm morbidly curious to try Vista.
Snake: Fyda: despite the fud, its not half bad