Session Start: Thu Jul 19 08:57:24 2007 [08:57] Hey, I got your message, I never recieved a first however [09:01] Yes that you did [09:02] No I did not [09:03] I believe it was a forum glitch, cause I saw "You have 2 new messages" and when I entered my inbox, I had only one, I figured the glitch was the other way around 1 message that showed up 2 [09:04] In any case, whatis the Bits and Pieces if I may [09:05] Which? The things in the works? Well, ranks for one are being reworked, (already posted up, some bits of it still need to be worked through), [09:06] Tasks for grabs, there's already a message into the miners for some ores [09:07] about to clear the memberlist and restart it [09:07] Kimmy needs it another week [09:07] If I may, when was all this instated? [09:09] I pmed kimy again about it this past sunday [09:10] So, Kimy's the one incharge for the system? [09:10] what system? [09:10] The "works" as you call it [09:11] She's my co-gm [09:11] I can't go changing everything without her approval [09:13] It takes one of us to get an idea and two of us to approve it [09:13] May I ask why she recieved no letter? [09:14] why is your ident "Blusttoy" and not "~Blusttoy" [09:15] Because she performs her designated task, hence why she didnt receive a letter [09:16] Fair enough [09:16] I expected mroe than "Fair enough" [09:16] WHy do you think it's such? [09:16] What I thought about saying was a smartass remakr [09:17] I'll like to listen to the smartass remark please [09:17] is my designated task to be scapegoat for the lack of improvements to the guild? [09:18] Or is Kimy the scapegoat? [09:18] Because to me, it seems that Kimy's doing the one-man show [09:18] With the SSS? I thought you said that holding an event wouldn't help [09:18] So, if it wouldnt help securing your position, you won't host one? Interesting idea [09:19] I would host one, I've tried impromptu, but since Grim left, people kinda shrug things off [09:19] If he had said come to edgy, mining event, they would of come [09:20] Tasks for Grabs is my way of doing that [09:20] I had that planned out from before you messaged me [09:20] Hmmm, so, I take that you believe in recreating Grim's ability to spur people and hence ignored the easier way of managing an event [09:21] I put this in the PM, my net usage isn't restricted, I get plenty of time, but it's not at a constant time daily [09:21] Do reply honestly, I would be disappointed if you feel the need to be polite when you dont want to [09:21] Care to tell why there has been report whereby you were identified saying your net time is restricted? [09:22] Carlo misunderstood. When my net time can happen changes. The net time itself isn't restricted. I spend a few hours on daily [09:23] I wasnt referring to Carlo [09:23] there has been more than 1 references [09:23] Well, whatever, my net time isn't restricted, when it's used isn't scheduled and isn't always continual [09:23] Why the assumption for Carlo if I may? Best we settle everything today I reckon [09:24] Cause he bashed my capabilities as a gm in the main channel [09:24] Saying that my time was restricted [09:24] You were the one admitting to it, after reading the chat log [09:25] what date was this? [09:25] so I can have the log in front of me [09:25] Deleted [09:25] I have it myself [09:25] If I may, are you ignoring my question pertaining to the event hosting [09:26] Which one? [09:26] Hmmm, so, I take that you believe in recreating Grim's ability to spur people and hence ignored the easier way of managing an event [09:26] I said to you, while I have plenty of time online daily, it's not scheduled, when it happens varies [09:27] I still dont udnerstand why its so hard to slot a time for an event if you're the designated GM [09:28] And simply hoping Kimy do all the work isnt very pleasureable either [09:29] cause during the school year, I can say that my dad won't have something for me to do between 4 and 6 local time [09:29] during the summer, he'll give me stuff at various times [09:29] Is it fair for the members, in your opinion [09:31] I believe I've found ways around it with task for grabs, as did the sss, it will allow the members to participate in the guild no matter when they're available; odd time zones wont restrict them, and it means that they'll be allowed to be flexible [09:31] all credit for sss goes to kimmy [09:31] just realized that part came out funny [09:32] Hmm, whats your goals and objectives for the Smiths [09:33] to get people back in it, to get it more organized with memberlists/usergroup stuff, getting new ranking system working, tasks for grabs (I'll have a few when Rule gets back to me, we've already been trading messages) [09:34] I asked for goals and objectives, not plans [09:34] to get people back in it [09:34] goal [09:34] That's all? [09:35] that's my main goal, to get it active, and I'll change it from plans [09:35] just pointing out that that is a goal [09:36] Alright, interesting, other GMs prefer to build a shrine for their members to truly enjoy the people they are with and the skills they work on but anyways [09:36] Whats your relationship with Kimy and Rule? I wish to learn more [09:37] Don't worry, I just wish to see if the chemistry between fellow GMs are alright [09:38] I've been trading messages with Rule lately, trying to get the supplier - manufacturer guild thing working, Kimy's been by my side since I first started as GM, kinda tight with her because we really brought back the smiths on the old forum [09:38] sorry, multitasking [09:39] willow cutting, watching tv, using forums... [09:39] If I may, who has mroe power in the Smiths? I mean in terms of GM and Co-GM [09:40] Don't worry, I have all the time in the world for me to betetr understand [09:40] co- [09:40] Function: prefix [09:40] 1 : with : together : joint : jointly [09:41] there's no real co-gm and gm, it's co-gmS [09:41] I'm glad you said that [09:42] Alright, who's the most prominent memebr in the Smiths aside from you guys? [09:42] define prominent [09:42] Outstanding, enthusiastic, an asset [09:43] I wish to know more about the Smiths from the GMs themselves [09:44] I'd say most enthusiastic is Master3k, he's the only one that has posted his own topic, hell, apart from "Where to I get my SSS ores" and "I'm not on here" or "I've leveled up" he's the only one that posted [09:45] very dedicated, a big contributor [09:46] I hope its not because of his 99 Smithing [09:46] no [09:47] Has there been issues within the Smiths? Lack of funds? Or anything? [09:47] Lack of funds? We have 1.9M in the bank... We lack an outlet for stuff, we have tons of shit stocked up [09:48] 1k + of all iron armor items [09:48] I hope you're not bragging although it does seems to be well taken care of [09:49] No, not bragging, we need to get rid of this stuff, too much to deal with [09:49] Where is the funds stored? And who's the one incharge? [09:49] on Smithsguild, an account I made [09:50] secure with a password and pin [09:50] I hope this is not taxing on you [09:50] Dont worry, i've eyt to turn into a demon and run with the GUILDS' funds [09:50] no, I knida forget about the account [09:50] In any case, what was your honest opinion of the warnings? [09:51] Not sure... [09:52] Then take yuor time, and give me your honest opinion. I need to know if my fellow GMs are truly dedicated [09:52] No wrong or right answer, so don't worry [09:53] Hmmm, I find that second to last sentence intersting [09:54] Indeed it is, in times like this, only those who showed interests will be the pillar of strength [09:54] not that part [09:55] Am I wrong to say that? [09:56] I'm referencing a different part "I need to know if my fellow GMs are truly dedicated" you say fellow gms... so I am going to ask you, is this a GM to GM discussion or a Admin to GM discussion? [09:56] And you're not wrong [09:57] I prefer to assume the position of an equal when I'm discussing about day-to-day matters [09:57] If I had been instilling my adminship, would pass off as arrogant and some, will be intimidated enough to well, cover up [09:58] didn't answer the question, "GM - GM" "Admin -GM" [09:58] Admin to GM [09:58] Alright [09:58] Now answer me please [10:00] The warnings kinda seemed like a whip on the backside to get my ass moving... While things were happening, they weren't happening fast enough, and I think you're discouraging me from using irc [10:01] Kinda exaggerated suggestions to be "annoying" #guildsgm was a suggestion, and that's it [10:01] am I not allowed to see if things are happening in the admin area? [10:02] Hmmm? [10:03] Things in the Admin won't be hidden if it was for all to view [10:03] I don't want to see what's going on, I want to know that things ARE going on [10:03] #Guildsgm idea, are you sure it wasnt #GUILDS 2? [10:04] #GUILDS2 was my channel since I started on #guilds, I did it cause I wanted to try and set up a channel [10:04] And if I may, who did you approach for the idea? And how many imes did you try? [10:05] I approached Cat about a GM channel, cause face it, back when Grim was an admin, he shrugged off his gms, and I asked her about the outcome of the discussion... [10:06] she told me it was still under discussion [10:06] Honestly, from yuor side, did you approach her once or a couple of times? [10:07] once with the suggestion, a couple of times to see what was decided, I wanted to know if the suggestion would be taken or thrown out, didn't care either way, it was a suggestion [10:08] For a didnt care kind of way, you sure seems persistent [10:08] And why did you think I was discouraging you from IRC? [10:10] meh, a lot of that letter was shit about irc [10:10] and second, you didn't get your facts right, iKitty isn't a bot that kicks fishy, it was a bot that was designed to kick spam [10:11] So, I assume you see no problem aused by you? Which was assuming less than favourable relationship with fellow Guildees, attempting to install a Fishy kickbot, and did you know why Fishy/Carlo was always on your back? A hint would be Cat, but what would it be [10:12] The Spam is Fishy, noone's fooled here [10:13] cause cat turned me into a laughing stock and probably did what my brother does "Vesuvius asked me to ask you to turn off the spam" [10:13] Cat turned you into a laughing stock? [10:14] whose name we shall disclose to protect their identity [10:14] from the 1st Warning [10:15] Them knowing could only come from Cat, so obviously my identity isn't half as important [10:15] Well, I suppose Cat's wrong, even after enduring countless complaints from both side. How I pity her [10:16] so who was it that complained? [10:16] Why did you not immediately approach Fishy/Carol then? [10:16] You answer first [10:16] Why should I disclose? You're not being exactly honest with me [10:17] Cause I thought that there wasn't supposed to be elitism in GUILDS, why is that person's identity more important than mine? [10:18] If I may add, your identity, when it comes to me, will not be revealed to anyone, but my fellow admins and I have their words this will not leak. The identity of the person complained was hidden because he/she assumes no position within GUILDS and at such, will be vulnerable [10:19] Do you think you are to be blamed for anything that comes off the Warning letter? [10:23] I'm not accusing you, but I wish to see your side of teh story [10:29] I did, confront them... Hang on, looking through something [10:30] [11:57] Carlo, the only stupidity I know of in GUILDS is the stuff that comes out of your mouth [10:30] wrong line [10:30] [11:51] oh i like the shitIRC comment, really brings out the stupidity in you :) [10:30] that one, then hang on [10:30] [11:58] go run to #brother so u can go lick messiah's balls again [10:30] [11:59] cos really vesuvius, the only thing that comes out of ur mouth is Ass kissing bullshit [10:31] [12:07] ah well, as per cat's request i won't continue this fruitless discussion, so instead i will add vesuvius to ignore list [10:31] And as he started it, he ended it [10:32] Did you leave your part of the convo out? [10:33] none of it really mattered, all that I wanted to point out was that when I confronted him about it, he added me to ignore [10:33] you can forget the other stuff [10:33] not accusing him of anything by that, but that last line [10:34] I'll give you the whole log, give me a second [10:34] I've spoke to Carol and he still ahs you on Ignore, I shan't do anything further if it helps eases tension [10:35] http://pastebin.ca/626291 [10:35] The identity of the person complained was hidden because he/she assumes no position within GUILDS and at such, will be vulnerable [10:36] Again, you're believing in elitism, that position gives status [10:36] and power comes from position [10:38] If you think protecting those who mgith come under flame is elitism, I have lost a little respect [10:39] And by the logs, fighting fire with fire gets people roasted [10:39] ell, enough of us dilly dallying, how much do you really treasure the position of the Smiths GuildMaster [10:39] Cat didn't protect me, I came under flame, #vesuvius and #vesuvius27 were made with malicious intent by fishy and carlo, then I found them, and suddenly the topic changed from "I am a whining little bitch" [10:40] a lot [10:40] Because of the position that enables you to recreate another dimension for the smithing skill or simply because its power [10:41] the former [10:41] I want to improve theguild, make it more member friendly and such [10:41] How much effort did you put in so far before the warning came? [10:41] I had put out calls to Kimmy about ranks and the tasks for grabs, needed approval [10:42] I've had many ideas, some haven't panned out, while others have [10:42] Its Kimy here, Kimy there [10:42] I must speak with Kimy for better understanding [10:42] I told you, she's my co-GM, I'm not a solo GM, I can't make decisions without checkign with her [10:42] I had also talked to rule about ores [10:43] So, by right, I can count what you've done with my fingers [10:43] by right? that bit confused me [10:44] not sure what that means [10:44] That means, if I bluntly puts it, not enough, coming from a GM no less [10:45] Don't mind me, but list me the 3 top reason why your Administrationship should not offer the CoGM to Master3k and instill you still as the Smiths GM [10:46] first of all, Master3k doesn't want it, but as fo the reasons, I have a desire to improve, I want to see these things I've started out, and I believe I'm an asset to the guild [10:47] Lovely points. We'll leave the matter to rest until I get in touch with Kimy. [10:48] woot wc 59 [10:48] If I were you, I'll begin raking my brains for event ideas and instill them like, right about now. We belieev everyone hs the ability to reach their new limits and we hope to not be disappointed [10:48] Impress us, and thank you for the time spent. It really helps [10:48] I'm guessing these logs will be posted on the admin forums? [10:49] I will not lie and as said ebfore, yes [10:50] Oh, if you're worried, Carlo and Fishy aren't Admins [10:50] Doesn't matter wether or not they are if your pipe leaks [10:51] Hinting me something? [10:51] You decide [10:51] Think what you like, I dont live to entertain [10:52] fair enough [10:52] Indeed fair enough and erm if you may, start funding the warriors ;) [10:53] I would be glad to, I was actually looking for grrrlgone so I could start discussing their needs [10:53] she seems to be MIA again [10:53] Pardon me Ves [10:53] Can you psot all the chat back ;) [10:53] I assume you're keeping a log? [10:54] IceChat does it automatically