thepeople: I happened to wake up about 1:15 AM, so now an hour later I sat down at the computer I tried switching my 2-radio /etc/config/wireless from doing sta on wifi0 and ap on wifi1 to doing ap first now, instead of no wpa_supplicant for the sta, I have no hostapd for the ap maybe that'll help you see what's wrong in the scripts, I think it must not be in madwifi.sh, maybe it's in /sbin/wifi ?? whichever daemon gets ath0 doesn't get run the one that gets ath1 does run maybe with more than two radios, it would only be the last one that runs its daemon yet the /var/run .conf files do both get set up, and now that I've switched, there are two each {hostapd,wpa_supplicant}-ath{0,1}.conf 4 files total