Session Start: Mon Aug 27 15:54:46 2007
Session Ident: Kaifux
Session Ident: Kaifux (~booboo@Guru.users.netgamers.org)
<Kaifux> lo
<dedin> hey
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<dedin> lo
<dedin> sup ? 
<Kaifux> hey
<Kaifux> just got home to eat :)
<dedin> hehe
<Kaifux> will want to discuss stats soon ;)
<Kaifux> if u don't mind
<dedin> sure
<Kaifux> and got a few minutes
<Kaifux> or maybe hours... ;) not sure yet ;))
<dedin> hehe
<dedin> playing poker right now but i can do some things simultenous ;)
<Kaifux> oki great
<Kaifux> did anyone do any deeper analysis
<dedin> i already posted some stuff concerning xan/cath
<dedin> on our bg forum
<Kaifux> on efficiency of ships or so?
<Kaifux> yeah
<Kaifux> i wrote it ofc
<Kaifux> *i read it ofc
<dedin> hehe
<dedin> draki and i discussed the most stuff already
<Kaifux> my concerns are
<Kaifux> defence against fi/co
<dedin> i am still unsure about government
<dedin> u mean fi/co teamups ?
<Kaifux> overall against fi
<Kaifux> and co incs
<dedin> ah yeah
<dedin> best ship vs fi is ofc thiefs, so its always good to have some ziks ingal you can rely on
<dedin> besides that wraith and wraith fakes
<dedin> 2 wraith fakes
<dedin> or 1 wraith fleet combined with 1 emp fleet
<Kaifux> so xans can't go fi/co to att
<Kaifux> and emp has to keep beetles home
<Kaifux> u know that won't happen..?
<dedin> xans have to fake their wraith
<dedin> beetles wont be home yeah
<dedin> but with fi you target co
<dedin> so the targets fleet will already have some beetles home
<dedin> in theory
<Kaifux> you predict that xans shouldn't get fi incs?
<Kaifux> cause of chicken game
<dedin> they shouldnt
<dedin> didnt happen last round very often
<Kaifux> what should xan get then?
<dedin> ofc you need a nice amount of wraith
<dedin> to scare xans away
<dedin> fi/co
<dedin> i dont like the xan fr fleet
<dedin> midround
<dedin> if you get trouble with cr fleets, you might consider a fr fleet though
<Kaifux> so xans should get which incs
<Kaifux> fi/co ?
<Kaifux> fi shouldn't 
<dedin> bs
<dedin> and cr
<Kaifux> de?
<dedin> doubt that
<dedin> same thing with fi incs
<Kaifux> but honestly
<Kaifux> any good retall
<Kaifux> and xan has to go home?
<dedin> yeah that might be a problem
<dedin> but you have the option to attack with pods only as xan
<Kaifux> yep
<dedin> ofc you cant do it everytime
<dedin> they will see that on newsscans
<Kaifux> or just fi to cath?
<dedin> sth like that yeah
<Kaifux> what u can roid with xan?
<Kaifux> not ter i should say
<dedin> key is that you cant be incoming scanned
<Kaifux> other xan - no
<Kaifux> except little wraith and no stockpile
<dedin> caths
<dedin> etd ofc
<Kaifux> zik with nice amount of bombers
<dedin> but there wont be much around
<dedin> exactly
<Kaifux> tho zik is a pain?
<dedin> the cath/xan fi/co inc can roid everything in theory
<dedin> from ter over xan to etd
<Kaifux> are there any easy looseless farming in game left?
<Kaifux> like some round xan on xan
<dedin> not really
<dedin> thats why i picked xan
<dedin> so you have the low eta
<dedin> and the option to attack with pods only
<Kaifux> how would u suggest for all the ally to go?
<Kaifux> for caths a pain in the arse should be xans for sure?
<Kaifux> de as well?
<dedin> well my bg will be xan/caths only
<Kaifux> yeah i see all ;)
<Kaifux> would it be good if all ally go like this?
<dedin> attack with fi/co and even some teamups
<Kaifux> but on the other side
<Kaifux> we need cr/bs to roid xans
<dedin> so that cross defence wont be possible
<dedin> yeah
<Kaifux> bs aren't strong this r?
<dedin> the caths should go slighty for cr
<dedin> bs you can forget indeed
<dedin> i would like to see a bg
<dedin> go all zik with mass dists
<dedin> and dictatorship
<dedin> 80% alert
<dedin> so you can go dists only with every 10th building being sc
<dedin> you dont need much faxes too
<dedin> so u can reach like 130 dists in the end
<Kaifux> hm
<Kaifux> u think it's possible?
<dedin> absolutly
<Kaifux> hm
<dedin> i would have done it in my bg if we hadnt already choose the xan/cath thing
<dedin> imo its one of the best strats you can do this round
<dedin> and its cool :)
<Kaifux> heh
<Kaifux> etd/ter
<dedin> imagine a bg with just ziks and mass dists
<Kaifux> anything good they can offer
<Kaifux> for ally?
<dedin> on a gal
<Kaifux> yeah ev1l
<dedin> screw etd+ter tbh
<dedin> ter if you wanna go pure scanner
<dedin> with 150 amps
<dedin> but they dont even have nice defense ships
<dedin> except harps
<dedin> but you should have bombers(fakes) for fr anyway
<dedin> the way to play this round in bgs is
<dedin> all going xan/cath
<dedin> or all going dists-zik
<dedin> a nice mix in exi would be awesome
<Kaifux> you are thinking straight about att right?
<Kaifux> what worries me later in the round is defence
<Kaifux> :)
<Kaifux> wanna imagine 
<dedin> hehe
<Kaifux> what can be offered from cath/xan
<Kaifux> and what has to be dealt with mostly
<dedin> xan/cath are providing all defense ships that are needed this round
<dedin> fi -> wraith/beetle
<dedin> co -> widow/phantoms+flak
<dedin> fr -> bomber
<dedin> de -> spids + banshee
<dedin> cr -> scarabs+xan fr
<dedin> bs -> scorps
<dedin> i dont see much bs flying around though
<dedin> same with cr
<dedin> but maybe i underestimate that cause everybody is talking about the awesome cath co
<dedin> still, cath cr is easy to defend with midround
<dedin> to defend against*
<Kaifux> hm
<Kaifux> does zik has good potential?
<dedin> defwise ?
<Kaifux> yeah
<Kaifux> will they receive many incs
<dedin> not if they go mass dists
<dedin> thats your advantage, you cant build that much value due to lack of fcs/feud
<dedin> but you will receive less incomings than you can imagine :o
<dedin> if you play it right ofc, straight dists with dictatorship
<Kaifux> i'm thinking that xan/cath might be best option anyway
<Kaifux> those ships u write out
<Kaifux> which ones are most efficient
<Kaifux> because that might determine the % we need
<dedin> most important ships will be the fi/co ships
<dedin> especially widows, wraith
<Kaifux> well widows stop any co incs for sure
<dedin> yep
<Kaifux> enough wraith + beetle should stop fi
<dedin> and 2 wraith fakes stop fi
<Kaifux> fi might be harder to stop..
<Kaifux> yeah
<dedin> + the beetles the target has home
<dedin> or might have home :)
<Kaifux> hm
<Kaifux> yeah
<Kaifux> if cath gets fi incs
<Kaifux> u just keep bees home
<Kaifux> if you wanna cover it nicely
<Kaifux> and run if you wanna cover it with fake
<dedin> exactly
<dedin> wraith fakes worked very well last round
<Kaifux> hmm
<dedin> but i really like the zik idea too
<dedin> do you thing theres noone interested in playing zik ?
<dedin> think*
<dedin> maybe we should create just a bg for the ziks
<Kaifux> i'm so tempting to go xan/cath + some real zik players
<dedin> and xan/cath in other bgs
<Kaifux> hm
<Kaifux> ok your bg goes xan/cath
<Kaifux> tho we should maybe ask if anyone willing to go zik anyway
<Kaifux> so from the rest of bgs
<Kaifux> we could form zik bg yeah
<dedin> or we have xan/cath bgs
<dedin> with 2-3 ziks per bg
<dedin> dunno
<dedin> they probably will get covered easily then
<dedin> problem is that ziks cant take very race
<dedin> especially xans
<Kaifux> every race u mean
<Kaifux> and i see lots of xan/cath in universe
<Kaifux> it will be SUCH an aggressive round
<Kaifux> xan hitting cath with fi
<Kaifux> cath htiting xan with co
<Kaifux> all over like that
<dedin> yep
<dedin> :)
<Kaifux> back and forth back and forth
<Kaifux> means
<Kaifux> you need extremely good anti fi/co def ingal
<dedin> exactly
<dedin> or youre going dists ;)
<Kaifux> zik can provide it right?
<dedin> as zik
<dedin> yep
<dedin> zik has awesome anti-fi
<dedin> anti-co too with flak
<dedin> but they have problems with fi/co teamups
<Kaifux> what should we prefer
<dedin> fi/co teamups are imo the key of success this round
<dedin> xan/cath teamups
<Kaifux> or go refinery due to 
<Kaifux> expectations of heavy incs
<Kaifux> and to keep res going due to having little roids
<dedin> yeah dunno
<Kaifux> OR
<dedin> thats what you gotta tell me
<Kaifux> we should go for feud
<Kaifux> and pray we can get away with it
<dedin> are we really that cnutted in the beginning ? :p
<dedin> or is it all propaganda ?
<Kaifux> not the very beggining
<Kaifux> that's why we are going very harsh aggressive
<Kaifux> to build up value as much as poss
<dedin> k
<Kaifux> nah, not all 
<dedin> you have 2 options
<dedin> refs + demo
<dedin> which is the safer one maybe
<dedin> or feud + fc
<dedin> where you have a huge value advantage if you manage to keep your roids
<Kaifux> will never do fc first
<Kaifux> untill we get like up to 40th cons
<dedin> maybe then demo is the right choice
<dedin> brb 5 min
<Kaifux> dman need to go :(
<dedin> back
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Session Close: Mon Aug 27 20:59:07 2007