Sep 21 09:55:38 -->     Maxdamantus  (n=Max~@203-97-238-106.cable.telstraclear.net) has joined #grub Sep 21 09:56:27 <Maxdamantus>   Hmm.. Is it possible to make a GRUB boot CD,  and make that check a menu.lst on a different device (HD)? Sep 21 10:33:38 -->     wibbit (n=douglasf@SAGW-PRIMARY.ARC.COM) has joined  #grub Sep 21 10:33:49 <wibbit>        Good morning all Sep 21 10:33:51 <wibbit>        Any one up? Sep 21 10:54:35 -->     benanne  (n=rijyiohe@41.176-246-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) has joined #grub Sep 21 11:02:05 <--     jeroney_ has quit () Sep 21 11:33:29 -->     WindowsUninstall  (n=WindowsU@host122-162-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) has joined #grub Sep 21 12:03:07 -->     tschwinge (n=user@fencepost.gnu.org) has joined #grub Sep 21 12:29:54 <enouf> Maxdamantus: if you boot into the grub shell, and issue  a "find /boot/grub/menu.lst" it should kick back all available, if they exist  there and grub is installed properly Sep 21 12:30:12 <Maxdamantus>   "Installed properly"? Sep 21 12:30:43 <enouf> Maxdamantus: grub doesn't know anything about File  Systems so if located in an obscure place, it wont find it Sep 21 12:30:54 <Maxdamantus>   I just want it to load the menu.lst from a  specific HD. Sep 21 12:31:02 <Maxdamantus>   I can't get the BIOS to boot from the HD. Sep 21 12:31:14 <Maxdamantus>   This machine will boot that HD.. Sep 21 12:31:21 <Maxdamantus>   And that machine will boot this machine's HD. Sep 21 12:31:26 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you could make teh Boot CD with your  menu.lst files (IINM) Sep 21 12:31:29 <Maxdamantus>   But that machine won't boot that machine's HD. Sep 21 12:31:45 <Maxdamantus>   I was using a fd for a few months, but that's  buggered now. Sep 21 12:31:56 <Maxdamantus>   enouf, but then I can't edit them. Sep 21 12:32:12 <Maxdamantus>   Since it needs to be a finalised CD-R to boot. Sep 21 12:32:14 <enouf>  http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html#SEC11 Sep 21 12:34:11 <Maxdamantus>   enouf, that doesn't say how to make it  automatically load menu.lst from a different device. Sep 21 12:34:30 <enouf> ofcourse it doesn't Sep 21 12:36:10 <enouf> Maxdamantus: i have no idea what that whole "this  machine, that machine" is about, and would rather not know - yuo should reinstall  grun to each "machine's" MBR on it's HDD that has Linux Sep 21 12:36:35 <enouf> s/grun/grub Sep 21 12:36:44 <Maxdamantus>   I have two machines.. One is old, and I use it  as a server for multiple things. Sep 21 12:36:54 <Maxdamantus>   And that won't boot from it's own HD. Sep 21 12:37:02 <enouf> that doesn't make sense Sep 21 12:37:14 <Maxdamantus>   I've tried installing GRUB and LILO. Sep 21 12:37:19 <Maxdamantus>   And it just won't boot from the HD. Sep 21 12:37:30 <Maxdamantus>   If I put that HD into this machine, it'll boot  fine. Sep 21 12:37:34 <Maxdamantus>   But it won't work on that. Sep 21 12:37:43 <enouf> that mean you only installed grub onto the non-server  CompB's MBR and never into the server's compA MBR Sep 21 12:37:51 <Maxdamantus>   And if I take the HD from this machine, and put  it in that machine, it'll boot Ubuntu too. Sep 21 12:38:07 <Maxdamantus>   Well, until it finds out that the devices  specified in fstab don't exist. Sep 21 12:38:11 *       enouf smacks forehead violent;y Sep 21 12:38:30 <enouf> against the desk Sep 21 12:38:44 <Maxdamantus>   Non-server CompB's MBR? Sep 21 12:38:51 <Maxdamantus>   It's installed in the MBR, believe me. Sep 21 12:39:00 <enouf> two == a + b Sep 21 12:39:15 <Maxdamantus>   If I take out all HDs out of this computer, and  put in the HD from the other computer, it'll boot the Gentoo install.. Sep 21 12:39:29 <Maxdamantus>   Well, it'll boot GRUB. Sep 21 12:39:33 <Maxdamantus>   Which will then boot Gentoo. Sep 21 12:39:55 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you goofed somewhere bit time, but believe  me, it'll boot if done correctly Sep 21 12:40:38 <Maxdamantus>   Well.. I'm fairly certain I've done it  correctly. Sep 21 12:40:55 <enouf> Maxdamantus: your device.map files and #groot= entry  needs examination, as well as /etc/fstab and menu.lst for each Sep 21 12:41:11 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you haven't Sep 21 12:41:30 <Maxdamantus>   enouf, if it was the device.map, wouldn't it  give something more than a GRUB read error? Sep 21 12:41:38 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you realize all those lines with only 1 #  are actually read? Sep 21 12:41:48 <Maxdamantus>   The BIOS won't even recognise that there is  anything to boot. Sep 21 12:41:57 <enouf> Maxdamantus: you realize all those lines with 2 # are  the ones that are not Sep 21 12:42:18 <enouf> in between the AUTOMAGIC stuff only Sep 21 12:42:29 <enouf> BEGIN and END Sep 21 12:42:55 *       Maxdamantus boots the Gentoo LiveCD.. Sep 21 12:43:30 <Maxdamantus>   I think these BIOS might be specifically  designed for Windows actually. Sep 21 12:43:52 <enouf> Maxdamantus: <Maxdamantus> The BIOS won't even  recognise that there is anything to boot.     and       <Maxdamantus> This machine will  boot that HD..         and       <Maxdamantus> And t hat machine will boot this machine's HD.          ==== Totally inconsistent  statements Sep 21 12:43:59 <Maxdamantus>   Boot sequence has options such as "A", "C",  "D", "A only", "C only", "D only" Sep 21 12:46:24 <enouf> i gotta get some sleep now for a few (even if i don't  achieve it, i have to try) .. good luck, and remember to let know, .. i stay  logged, will revisit Sep 21 12:50:39 <Maxdamantus>   Fuck.. Perhaps this is why.. Sep 21 12:50:57 <Maxdamantus>   device.map has "(hd0) /dev/hdc" Sep 21 12:51:06 *       Maxdamantus thinks that should be /dev/hda Sep 21 12:52:17 <Maxdamantus>   Damn it.. Rebooted before setting up grub. Sep 21 13:02:46 <Maxdamantus>   No difference. Sep 21 13:05:46 <enouf> Maxdamantus: #groot= Sep 21 13:05:58 <Maxdamantus>    * Now talking on #groot= Sep 21 13:06:08 <Maxdamantus>   Wait. You didn't mean a channel did you? Sep 21 13:06:25 <enouf> in menu.lst Sep 21 13:06:35 <Maxdamantus>   Oh. Sep 21 13:06:53 <Maxdamantus>   Unfortunately, I accidentally left it to auto  load.. Which boots the GUI by default. Sep 21 13:06:57 <Maxdamantus>   Lemme reboot it again. Sep 21 13:07:18 <enouf> you really should learn the grub shell Sep 21 13:07:39 <enouf> (not that i'm an expert, but i can get around) Sep 21 13:07:41 <Maxdamantus>   I know the basics of the grub shell.. Well,  enough to make a simple installation. Sep 21 13:07:46 <enouf> no Sep 21 13:07:56 <enouf> well enough to fix things from there Sep 21 13:08:03 <enouf> and test from there Sep 21 13:08:14 <Maxdamantus>   I can't get to a fucking grub shell. Sep 21 13:08:26 <Maxdamantus>   I need to use the one on the Gentoo LiveCD. Sep 21 13:08:30 <enouf> ROFL == how did it boot to the Desktop, if it doesnt  Boot? Sep 21 13:08:38 <Maxdamantus>   enouf, it's the LiveCD. Sep 21 13:08:39 <enouf> what? Sep 21 13:08:43 <enouf> no no no no on Sep 21 13:08:44 <Maxdamantus>   And it doesn't use GRUB there. Sep 21 13:08:46 <enouf> OMG Sep 21 13:09:05 *       enouf shoots Maxdamantus Sep 21 13:09:24 <Maxdamantus>   Zomg, why'd you do that? Sep 21 13:09:50 <enouf> <Maxdamantus> I can't get to a fucking grub shell. <--  WHAT THE FUCK is THAT! Sep 21 13:10:08 <Maxdamantus>   Well. Not natively. Sep 21 13:10:16 <Maxdamantus>   Only under Gentoo.. The "grub" command. Sep 21 13:10:27 <enouf> if you can boot the HDD, you certainly can get to the  shell ..lol Sep 21 13:10:35 <Maxdamantus>   I can't boot the HDD. Sep 21 13:10:39 <Maxdamantus>   ... Sep 21 13:10:40 <enouf> OMG Sep 21 13:10:49 <Maxdamantus>   That's what this whole thing is about. Sep 21 13:10:50 *       enouf shoots Maxdamantus again Sep 21 13:10:57 <enouf> no it isn;t Sep 21 13:10:58 <Maxdamantus>   The BIOS won't boot anything from this specific  HD. Sep 21 13:11:06 <enouf> Bullshit Sep 21 13:11:39 <Maxdamantus>   Well. The only thing I've known for it to boot  directly off the HD, as instructed by the MBR is the NTLDR. Sep 21 13:11:48 <Maxdamantus>   Because it had XP on it before. Sep 21 13:12:05 <Maxdamantus>   But I used a floppy disk with GRUB on it to  boot for a few months. Sep 21 13:12:15 <Maxdamantus>   But now the FD drive is broken. Sep 21 13:14:52 <Maxdamantus>   So.. I'm in a grub shell now.. What do you  suggest I do? Sep 21 13:20:23 -->     MelkorD (n=morgoth@station-21-140-87-77.ticom.pl) has  joined #grub Sep 21 13:20:27 <MelkorD>       Hell[o] Sep 21 13:20:30 <MelkorD>       nyu: Ping ? Sep 21 13:27:00 <--     MelkorD has quit ("the dance is held to the end ...  when the shades of darkness transcend ...") 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