dubledex: Our bible study actually did a study on the book of Ezekiel very recently. dubledex: He's referencing the beginning where Ezekiel tells about his vision. Which involved God's chariot. Basically. dubledex: And he's picked and pulled a couple little things out of it, that while intriguing, don't actually fit with what the description is there for. dubledex: First: That's not actually part of any of Ezekiel's prophecies. That's simply when God arrived in a vision and told him he would be a prophet. tabularasa138: yeah, thats what bothers me tabularasa138: find a line that "fits your idea" and run with it... even out of context dubledex: Exactly. People do that with the bible. A LOT. tabularasa138: yeah, that bothers me dubledex: Second: Ezekiel was a prophet for the time. When he talks about Israel, guess what? He's actually talking about Israel. dubledex: And his prophecies of Israel have come to pass. At least, the vast majority of them. There may be some things that haven't yet. dubledex: But, most of the death, destruction and invasion stuff is come and gone. dubledex: There are a multitude of passages in Revelation that are also often used to point to now being the end times... and you'll also hear frequently, "How else would they describe something they've never seen before?" dubledex: OR - he could be seeing to intersecting wheels covered with eyes (your cousin conveniently overlooked the fact that the "landing gear wheels" he speaks of are covered with eyes. It's mentioned at least twice. Never saw THAT on landing gear.) and fire and roaring. dubledex: Pretty much, any sort of loud, thunderous roaring, in my opinion, would be described as a waterfall. Or a stampede. Because those are two the most familiar, loud roaring sounds. To definitively say that he was talking about jets and missiles and helicopters is (pardon me) retarded. dubledex: A lot of people are, for some reason, willing to be lead to passages of the bible and use them for their own purposes. Without ever actually researching or (heaven forbid) reading the whole things themselves. dubledex: Ezekiel not a particularly confusing or controversial book (like, say, Revelation). Pretty sure there isn't a single respected biblical scholar who would agree with your cousin here.