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      dubledex:       Our bible study actually did a study on the book of Ezekiel very recently.
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      dubledex:       He's referencing the beginning where Ezekiel tells about his vision. Which involved God's chariot. Basically.

** I disagree here.

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      dubledex:       And he's picked and pulled a couple little things out of it, that while intriguing, don't actually fit with what the description is there for.

** I have pulled out the things I understand. How does this guy "know" what the description is for???


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      dubledex:       First: That's not actually part of any of Ezekiel's prophecies. That's simply when God arrived in a vision and told him he would be a prophet.

** This is not true. Ezekiel 24:2 says "Son of man, write thee the name of the day, [even] of this same day: the king of Babylon set himself against Jerusalem this same day."


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      tabularasa138:  yeah, thats what bothers me
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      tabularasa138:  find a line that "fits your idea" and run with it... even out of context

** I have found many many lines that "fit" with the news, not my ideas.

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      dubledex:       Exactly. People do that with the bible. A LOT.

** hes right here.


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      tabularasa138:  yeah, that bothers me
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      dubledex:       Second: Ezekiel was a prophet for the time. When he talks about Israel, guess what? He's actually talking about Israel.

** Ok. If he is talking about israel then why would there be a need for the largest invasion force of all time? why would you need two hundred thousand thousand invaders to conquer this tiny little country no bigger than new jersey? Why also does the Bible refer to Jerusalem and her cities? Israel and all her cities? Why does it refer to planes going into the "north country" and the "south country" and no east or west country? Why does it refer to it as "the land of mixed and mingled people", why does it reference the obesity epidemic, why does it say that there is a contract for liberty for all the people and yet they have no liberty?? Why does it say that their music will no longer be heard throughout the world? Why does it talk about the richest land on earth and that they have all their hearts desires and yet they wage wars to steal? Why does it say that their leaders shall be like women? Why does it reference "the land shadowing with wings"? Hmmmm

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      dubledex:       And his prophecies of Israel have come to pass. At least, the vast majority of them. There may be some things that haven't yet.

** If they have come to pass then how do you explain the very clear references to nuclear weapons?? The fire that melts mountains and makes all heads bald and makes the skin slough off the body. Theres other passages, their eyeballs wither away in their heads while they stand and no nation will come to their aid for fear of the baldness?



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      dubledex:       But, most of the death, destruction and invasion stuff is come and gone.

** This is not true. The Bible says that all the nations of the earth will weep because theres no one to buy their merchandise. We are the number one consumer nation in the world. Before the 20th century, there were no nukes nor flying machines and not enough international commerce to make "all nations weep".

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      dubledex:       There are a multitude of passages in Revelation that are also often used to point to now being the end times... and you'll also hear frequently, "How else would they describe something they've never seen before?"


** Our county assessor way over-valued everyone's property in our county. To justify the over-valuation he said "when asked, almost everyone said they would sell their property for the value that was assessed." It was used as an argument to justify the prices as being fair when in fact it supported the fact that the prices were over inflated. This argument is the same. (meaning that it is correct to assume these people thousands of years ago did not have words to describe modern technology)



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      dubledex:       OR - he could be seeing to intersecting wheels covered with eyes (your cousin conveniently overlooked the fact that the "landing gear wheels" he speaks of are covered with eyes. It's mentioned at least twice. Never saw THAT on landing gear.) and fire and roaring.

** Like I said, I quoted what I understood. These "eyes" could be cameras, rivets, a translation error, idk.

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      dubledex:       Pretty much, any sort of loud, thunderous roaring, in my opinion, would be described as a waterfall. Or a stampede. Because those are two the most familiar, loud roaring sounds. To definitively say that he was talking about jets and missiles and helicopters is (pardon me) retarded.

** This guy apparently never lived near an airport. Jets DO sound like waterfalls and helicopters DO sound like horses. They are very close in fact. To totally ignore and dismiss the similarities would  be considered "more retarted" I would think. BTW, UFO's are silent.

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      dubledex:       A lot of people are, for some reason, willing to be lead to passages of the bible and use them for their own purposes. Without ever actually researching or (heaven forbid) reading the whole things themselves.

** I am matching what makes sense to the news and the current state of our country. I HAVE read ezekiel many times in the past three weeks. I have also read the last half of the old testament (more than once each) and the books of the Apocrypha. Most all of the books tell the same story, different ways and using different names. I will shortly be reading the Koran, looking for similarities.


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      dubledex:       Ezekiel not a particularly confusing or controversial book (like, say, Revelation). Pretty sure there isn't a single respected biblical scholar who would agree with your cousin here.


** This would lend MORE credibility to my theory because the Bible tells us that the churches lie and prophesy falsely. A good example would be the "rapture" theory which is clearly disputed in Amos 5:18. And I agree that revelation is very hard to understand.


Ok, now argue with the news:

1) There was a FEMA report years ago the detailed three things.
    1) planes flying into building
    2) hurricane hitting louisiana
    3) earthquake along the san andreas fault
2) one of our bombers flew live nukes from north dakota to louisiana. it left with 6 and arrived with 5. this has been about a month. (at least 6 ppl involved with the nukes all died "accidental" deaths in one week)
3) Our entire NORAD defense system announced they were looking for a private pilot (steve fosset) who has connections to the defense industry. They dont look for private pilots.
4) we know (those of us with a brain) that bush did 9-11 to start the wars in afghanistan and iraq. bush is dying to start a war with iran.
5) russian president putin said that an attack on iran would have "catastrophic consequences".
6) Iran's president Ahmadinejad came here last week to NY and told us three different ways that if we didnt return to the path of God that we would be destroyed.
7) almost the entire continent of asia has formed a military alliance called "warsaw pact II"
8) china has moved (that they announced) 6,500 military machines into russia (the first time in their history)
9) russia has been flying near our airspace testing our defences and our military thinks they are routine exercises. they have also moved nuclear-capable bombers to their northern bases.
10) bush has scheduled a massive terrorism drill involving dirty bombs for the week of 10-10. when 9-11 happened, there was a drill happening that involved flying planes into buildings.
11) geological observations indicate that yellowstone (caldera-forming super-volcano) has been a lot more active in the past three years.
12) North and South Korea have formed an alliance. (prolly not all that important but it shows that the nations no longer respect the opinions of the US)