Session Start: Thu Oct 11 18:05:46 2007
Session Ident: #discuss
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<microships> hi
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<p1r4t3r> hi
<p1r4t3r> tell me now
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<p1r4t3r> how am I wrong
<p1r4t3r> ?
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<microships> whose &torrent first?
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<p1r4t3r> server bot
<p1r4t3r> ..
<p1r4t3r> !voice frozen
<microships> ok
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<p1r4t3r> ><
<Frozen> im not discussing, im gonna read this 10 pages of argument later :P cyaz
<MM> hmm
<microships> first i offerd to reply in revolt after i saw alot of shit tehre and some bad talks taht isn't right
<microships> but it seems that system refused
<p1r4t3r> no
<p1r4t3r> system allowed ur reply
<microships> yeah ,i pm'd him but he never replied back
<p1r4t3r> well youd have known that already from your "friends" on there
<microships> i was going to answer questions that members with no personal grudes against me would liek to ask
<p1r4t3r> lets fast forward to why I am wrong
<microships> i wasn't going to post in revolt since i don't and won't like to ahve an acc
<microships> but through pm's
<microships> anyhow what's u r questions?
<p1r4t3r> read..
<p1r4t3r> <p1r4t3r> hi
<p1r4t3r> .:[18:09:03]:. <p1r4t3r> tell me now
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<p1r4t3r> .:[18:09:10]:. <p1r4t3r> how am I wrong
<p1r4t3r> .:[18:09:11]:. <p1r4t3r> ?
<p1r4t3r> <p1r4t3r> lets fast forward to why I am wrong
<microships> wrong in what exactly ,i am talking to 20 so what was the thing i said that u r wrong in?
<p1r4t3r> u ARE a trader
<p1r4t3r> and you have led many people to trade
<microships> i believ you can see my nice sig in FST
<p1r4t3r> I have a anti trading sig too... so do a lot of others
<p1r4t3r> :-/
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<microships> it's not an anti-trading ,it's retired
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<Ejrthl> hi
<p1r4t3r> okay just because u say u retired we are supposed to believe u?
<microships> i don't have aproblems towards anti-traders yet tehre are different forms of Anti-Traders
<p1r4t3r> how dont we know that you are actually trading/setting up trades on msn
<microships> because i was invited to big tarckers by trackers staff
<microships> themselves
<microships> so if thsoe believe me so why can't others
<microships> secondly i don't need to
<p1r4t3r> ha..
<microships> i have said that i am pretty much satisfied and i even stopped trading like months ago b4 official announcement
<p1r4t3r> why dont you read back all your posts on fst and lemme know
<p1r4t3r> :-/
<p1r4t3r> seriously patriot
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<kompelli> hi guys
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<p1r4t3r> u cannot deny how fervently u supported traders in the new anti trade thread
<microships> look,can u refer to them or can u ask direct questions as that's much timesaving
<p1r4t3r> oand u did not allow the system to start either
<p1r4t3r> and u were an icompetent staff...
<p1r4t3r> and..
<p1r4t3r> and..
<p1r4t3r> I can just keep goinng
<microships> look u want me dead guys ,taht's not soething taht is nice
<p1r4t3r> hah...
<p1r4t3r> I never wanted u dead or something.
<p1r4t3r> that was some idiot posting
<p1r4t3r> lets not divert the topic
<microships> as for ths system i voted no to the system which ws similar to mine but if you can see i am like the 3rd post in the new sticky which welcomed the other new one
<Frozen> heh p1r43r, whats going on here? I cbf to read by your saying that micro is a trader, obviously and asking why rts is anti-trading?
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<p1r4t3r> I ll come back to u in a sec frozen
<p1r4t3r> ..
<p1r4t3r> so..
<Frozen> ok sure
<kompelli> whatever as far as the poll goes RTS is not allowing trading now
<p1r4t3r> U being proven incompetent and all
<p1r4t3r> why are the bittorrent community allowed to trust their info in your hands
<p1r4t3r> why should people join rts at all?
<kompelli> why not
<Frozen> if it has to do with rts antitrader, ill just tell ya right now, micro had a 5 page convo about not making rts ant-trading, so we left that shit upto members lol, he had no choice in that matter.
<microships> because in RTS it's more secured
<microships> you won't see your info posted in public liek SCN or others
<kompelli> yea that right and i can confirm that
<p1r4t3r> u are telling me with u being a sysop, rts is secured?
<p1r4t3r> >_<
<Ejrthl> damn scn
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<p1r4t3r> half the community doesnt want to join your tracker
<p1r4t3r> primarily because YOU are sysop
<p1r4t3r> and u havent been able to thwart any allegations against u either
<p1r4t3r> let alone what you have already done
<p1r4t3r> I cant believe frozen actually gave u a staff position, let alone allowed you to be sysop
<Frozen> Trust their information? I assume you mean how some ips/usernames/emails got out, well that has all to do with the lame tbdev code, which we dont use anymore
<microships> really,doesn't seem though to me
<microships> oink staff is in teh tracker
<SiMONZ> thanx p1r4t3r
<kompelli> yea only revolt guys don't want to 
<microships> does taht mean he don't trust us?
<Frozen> Ill tell you right now, if you want to go on about him having access to that, he doesnt. He has the normal shit to block members etc, but he cant access the database, let alone the ftp, i wouldnt care if he could, im just saying he hasnt even requested to
<microships> you must bne kidding
<microships> we both are collegues and we run the tracker together
<p1r4t3r> run the tracker together/not having previliges?
<p1r4t3r> sounds completely opposite
<p1r4t3r> AND u are just stalling the questions
<p1r4t3r> well looks to me as though u got nothing to answer
<microships> i am not you are the one who talks too much
<microships> and nota llowing anyone to reply
<microships> ask simeple question then wait for reply
<microships> don't interrupt though
<SiMONZ> hey i do not know microships at all but why aren't you cool with him being sysop?
<Frozen> P1r43r, i can tell you the reasons he is sysop, it includes having some great ideas, being able to manage the site very well, etc. I know he has history with trading, which i forcibly made not allowed here, but i do definately not see him as even being remotely untrustworthy.
<SiMONZ> ok its all answered there
<SiMONZ> i thought this chan was for peeps to get invited back?
<p1r4t3r> no simonz
<microships> you don't klow me and yet you are so aggressive
<Frozen> I think what p1r4t3r is saying is that he is a trader and therefore isnt trustworthy?
<microships> no to get invited back use teh RTS channel
<SiMONZ> ok
<microships> you don't klow me and yet you are so aggressive which i don't know the reason for
<microships> *know
<Frozen> He is aggressive, because its quite obvious he sees all traders as bad people or something
<alexhard> in my book, trading is a minus when considering someone, but saying that trader = untrustworthy is just dumb
<Ejrthl> rediculous, why traders are bad?
<p1r4t3r> okay answer this straight question : U are an aggressive trader
<p1r4t3r> are u not?
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<Frozen> what do you mean by that? Aggressive?
<microships> i was but i stopped long time ago
<microships> he meant notorious i guess
<Frozen> Yeah
<p1r4t3r> and the reason why you are still banned at most trackers
<p1r4t3r> knowing what you have done, how is it even possible to trust you
<p1r4t3r> ?
<rocknrule> p1r4t3r you are from fst?
<kompelli> yea
<kompelli> he is the 
<microships> because they aren't got to the idea yet ,they just couldn't believe although those who got to know me better know me well and know my word
<rocknrule> your nick at fst?
<microships> let me see ,don't you anti-traders ahve alot of traders who retired?
<kompelli> same nick 
<microships> why isn't that possible to believe
<rocknrule> why do we have to trust non-traders?
<rocknrule> funny
<p1r4t3r> because we have cultivated trust in the community
<p1r4t3r> unlike you
<p1r4t3r> I am not considered an asshole across the community
<p1r4t3r> ffs
<rocknrule> they are almost collectors, at least.
<rocknrule> lol
<microships> exactly i knew some anti-tarders who still trades
<microships> they just wanna hide under that name
<p1r4t3r> they are not anti traders
<p1r4t3r> they just wnna hide
<p1r4t3r> true anti traders are hard to find too..
<microships> while i don't ahev to hide because i do believ in myself and my decisions and i don't need to join some groups to eb declared as not trader
<Frozen> knowing what you have done, how is it even possible to trust you -- sorry, what has he done?
<p1r4t3r> and you were incompetent as staff at fst too
<microships> how come ,you can run apoll and see how i did as staff
<microships> everyone who asked for my help was responded 
<kompelli> well i think he has done a good job in FST
<microships> and i maniated and done alot of great work in FST
<kompelli> no doubt abt that
<p1r4t3r> we can just runa poll among fst staff themselves
<microships> if taht didn't happen i wouldn't ahev got 8 pages of good luck when i stepped down
<p1r4t3r> u ll lose straight away
<Frozen> doesnt matter, your altering the conversation from that to if your a good staff member, didnt know that was what the convo was about
<p1r4t3r> heh most of them were traders who followed ur path
<Frozen> knowing what you have done, how is it even possible to trust you -- sorry, what has he done?
<Frozen> 02(122302:120702:121802) 02(~p1r4t3r02) and you were incompetent as staff at fst too
<rocknrule> i've fissed off you so-called non-traders. instead, i've seen many honesty traders.
<microships> haha ,what fst staff ahs to do with that ,members are the one who feels the work
<Frozen> I want to know the answer to that?
<p1r4t3r> o really... staff are the one who see behind the scenes
<microships> so i am an icon now?
<kompelli> haha
<p1r4t3r> U are responsible for lots of that trader activity
<microships> i won't talk abt staff ,don't start playing taht silly age with me because i respct fst staff 
<kompelli> well i don't agree that trader are not trustworthy
<microships> really,how that happened?
<p1r4t3r> traders risk the community kompelli
<kompelli> well but currently we are talking of RTS
<p1r4t3r> by trading.. who knows an mpaa/riaa member can come and get an invite
<p1r4t3r> or account
<microships> did i force members to follow me or you are the ones who scaring tehm away with your offensive attitudes?
<kompelli> and even if micro was a trader he was a trusted trader
<kompelli> and so far we don't allow trading in RTS
<microships> i have said b4
<kompelli> so i guess RTS has nothing to do with it
<kompelli> and plz stop all other conversation and stick to one point
<microships> to encouareg members to join anti-traders you ahve to be positive
<p1r4t3r> if they dint have trading, all the trackers wont be at risk
<microships> wait for my reply plz
<p1r4t3r> ok
<alexhard> oh come on
<rocknrule> non-traders they've spammed all around, begging high leveled trackers, and moreover some anti-trader has opened scam site!
<alexhard> its hilariously easy to get into 95% of trackers
<p1r4t3r> will the others shut up for a moment please and let microships answer?
<alexhard> and the 5% isnt a target
<kompelli> yea
<rocknrule> Do Not mixed traders up scammers!
<microships> meaning that you shoudl talk nicely and list the risks trading is involved into ,also talk nicely and try to convince members about teh risk of trading but not liek saying traders go to hell and traders are devils and so because taht will make more hatred
<p1r4t3r> ha
<rocknrule> what the hell this guy's nick @ fst???
<p1r4t3r> u havent got any idea how people are being helped by us...
<kompelli> i think same
<p1r4t3r> and what have you done to risk the community less?
<rocknrule> i havent seen this nick
<microships> Trackers staff shoudl also try to build bridge of trust which emans that they should tend to have awider view not like (if you are atrder you will never get an invite) because that's not ghonna work
<p1r4t3r> ha... tracker staff are sick of trading because, it endangers them
<microships> but if he trusted him and says it's ok that you can participate in teh giveaway but you should be aware of risks of tarding and we hope u don't violate trackers rules
<microships> you will get the point and alot won't ahev to tarde
<p1r4t3r> they run a community at great risk, which u as traders spoil it
<p1r4t3r> heh, so u are saying that if everyone get invites u ll stop trading?
<p1r4t3r> is THAT what u r trying to say?
<microships> where have u been man ,i have stopped trading ages ago
<kompelli> yea that's right
<Frozen> Well im off, all i know is trading isnt allowed on rts, and that micro has been a great staff member here and hasnt done anything wrong - so yeah enjoy your arguement ;)
<kompelli> yea exactly
<kompelli> why don't u talk abt RTS
<microships> not exactly but i mean that you should encourage traders who aren't for collecting to be able to get into soem trackers and tell them taht trading is bad and you shouldn't do it
<kompelli> don't talk abt personal things that u can talk later
<Frozen> micro, he doesnt care when you stopped trading, i think he cares more about your "past" as a trader, and still thinks you cannot be trusted, or maybe he thinks you still trade
<kompelli> yea he thinks that RTS is not secure
<rocknrule> he is a staff of rts?
<kompelli> no
<kompelli> who ?
<p1r4t3r> well its not just my opinion frozen, hell alot of members think the same
<Frozen> secure as in? can be hacked? not secure from micro? or what
<kompelli> yea that i think he will ans
<rocknrule> then, why he complain here?
<p1r4t3r> so why dont U start opening invites microships? 
<p1r4t3r> why keep ur tracker \oh so private?
<Frozen> well its not just my opinion frozen, hell alot of members think the same -- yeah, think the same that he never gave up trading?
<rocknrule> if you think rts is not secure, then go away
<rocknrule> simple
<microships> invites were given to members
<microships> you seem you didn't notice or heard 
<kompelli> yea all good members were invited back
<microships> and thsoe members got invites
<kompelli> ok just tell me what is the final prob 
<p1r4t3r> heh.. and what about all the others who deserve it.. U are same as paranoid as the others for keeping ur trackers secure
<kompelli> with RTS 
<p1r4t3r> okay since this discussion is not going anywhere
<microships> no,i handed invites to both tarders and anti-traders
<kompelli> lol we didin't every mentioned that this are the only members
<microships> i don't ahve aproblem with any
<microships> even some of thsoe who attacked me in revolt were allowed in RTS
<p1r4t3r> and we are beating around the bush.... I will ask micro one straight question and he answers OK?
<microships> because i don't ahve problems with any except if tehy screwed up 
<Frozen> Heh what exactly point in the coversation? All I know is rts is "secured" as it could be, a lot more than majority of sites, anyway really g2g cyaz
<kompelli> well and as far as security is conserned plz ask frozen now he is here and he can tell u exactly
<microships> ask it
<kompelli> yea so hurry up and ask frozen
<kompelli> if u wnat to know abt security
<kompelli> becz i think most of the revolt guys and u think it is not secure
<kompelli> ?
<p1r4t3r> Trading does effect the entire bittorrent community. ANd since u obviously support trading, and since trading leaves gaping holes in the tracker, HOW is the bittorrent community supposed to trust RTS , with U as SYSOP
<Frozen> I want to know what type of secure though. They could mean its not secure because microships is here, seems to be what he is talking about
<microships> hahaha,that's woulbe be best joke ever
<microships> shoudl i reply now?
<p1r4t3r> yes
<microships> ok
<rocknrule> microship has done well middle man job. why don't trust him?
<rocknrule> funny
<kompelli> yea
<kompelli> good point
<rocknrule> he has been proving himself, but who are you?
<microships> i don't support trading yet i support members rights to be able to join the trackers they want and willing to be active and participate into ,in the past the only way to join tarckers were through tarding and alot followed that path and get what tehy want ,alot also mis used that path and decided to go for collection which i don't support in anyways
<microships> as for how RTS is trusted ,i believe if we aren't trusted we wouldn't see some famous trackers staff members in RTS
<Frozen> microships, leave the whole trusted thing, he wants to talk about you
<Frozen> Just because microships supports this, it doesnt mean rts does, or the other staff
<microships> i posted my point ^^
<kompelli> well and i don't find any prob in ppl joining RTS it secure. (which u were doubting)
<p1r4t3r> okay, as I see it you ARE SUPPORTING TRADING right?
<microships> did i say that?
<p1r4t3r> well supporting members rights to join trackers by trading...
<p1r4t3r> isnt it trading?
<microships> i said i believe in members rights to eb able to join tarckers tehy want as long as tehy are willing to be good emmebrs and active whether tehy are tarders or not
<p1r4t3r> sigh
<p1r4t3r> "only way to join is trading"....
<p1r4t3r> wtf?
<p1r4t3r> u clearly support trading, u are just twisting the words
<p1r4t3r> :-/
<p1r4t3r> many would agree
<microships> don't u get trackers invites also?
<microships> doesn't that aright to join atracker you want?
<kompelli> well he is saying he helped the ppl who were good 
<microships> who said that?
<microships> did u get your invites through tarding?
<kompelli> and helped them to get into the tracker
<microships> you just can't accept aproper conversation
<kompelli> well ok even if he had traded
<kompelli> and supports trading but that dosen't mean RTS is not secure
<kompelli> how can u say RTS is not secure 
<p1r4t3r> because it has got a staff that SUPPORTS trading.
<p1r4t3r> simple
<p1r4t3r> and fair..
<kompelli> just becz micro is there
<kompelli> ?
<kompelli> well that dosen't makes sense
<kompelli> but how it is going to effect u
<microships> we have alot of anti-traders among staff
<microships> just for the record
<kompelli> yup
<p1r4t3r> I feel one is enough... to crap the whole community over. As in the case of ScN too allthe other staff were good, A47 was the only one
<kompelli> ok what u think micro will do
<kompelli> to u 
<kompelli> he has nothing to do with members
<rocknrule> Guys, Non-English-Natives can't help but trade, They can't make freinds, can't tell nicely. Because They don't wirite English Well !!!
<kompelli> well keep that point aside
<rocknrule> Traders are not bad man!!
<kompelli> plz
<kompelli> yup
<kompelli> ok just isolate the topic
<p1r4t3r> ha.. there are plenty of their language trackers
<p1r4t3r> adn through them they can make friends and get invites
<microships> it's site policy ,agent was the one running the tracker while i know myself and my acapablities and alot know me well
<kompelli> keep it to only how RTS is not secure and what u think micro will do to u and how it will harm u
<kompelli> keep it to only how RTS is not secure and what u think micro will do to u and how it will harm u
<kompelli> becz that's the main point
<kompelli> keep other topic aside
<microships> as i said i have no problems inviting traders or anti-tarders as long as tehy are noce and good active members ,i don't look in teh past i look to teh future
<kompelli> yea that's right micro
<kompelli> but p1r43r plz tell what u think micro will do as a sysop
<kompelli> and how it is gonna effet the members
<rocknrule> almost good trackers are english preferred.
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<p1r4t3r> well I got my point anyway, Thank you ladies and Gentlemen I really got my answer
<kompelli> ?
<p1r4t3r> yes
<p1r4t3r> thanks microships
<p1r4t3r> and others around
<p1r4t3r> :)
<p1r4t3r> SiMONZ,rocknrule,microships,MM,kompelli,alexhard
<p1r4t3r> bye
<p1r4t3r> :)
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<rocknrule> there are not many good local trackers.
<kompelli> no wait
<kompelli> u didn't ans the prob
<kompelli> i mean question
<rocknrule> are you american?
<kompelli> well u are just not answering the question
<kompelli> wait 
<kompelli> well u are just not answering the question
<SiMONZ> cyah p1r4t3r
<kompelli> p1r43r plz tell what u think micro will do as a sysop
<kompelli> how it is gonna effet the members
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<kompelli> well r u still there
<p1r4t3r> I am
<kompelli> well can u plz tell me the ans
<kompelli> becz i am not getting it
<p1r4t3r> Well
<p1r4t3r> microships cant do anything as sysop, besides front end
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<kompelli> like what
<p1r4t3r> go guess
<p1r4t3r> =|
<kompelli> well as far as i know
<kompelli> he is a trusted guy even if he has traded
<kompelli> and frozen is also there
<kompelli> and why he want to harm anyone
<kompelli> just didn't get that