TWLLM and I disagree on whether my play here on 4th was correct. This might be just because we're different styles of players, or it might be because he's right and I'm not. This is the way I'd usually play this situation (without a specific read on a player). 4th is cheap...I'm getting something like 4-1. 5th I;ll reevaluate and throw it away if I don't like what I see. In some ways perhaps I'm trapping myself, I dunno. It's generally working quite well for me. Perhaps this is because I'm just an unmitigated luckbox as some nits claim TWLLM thinks it's a leak in my game. I'm open minded. It might be a big leak, but it 'feels' like it's the right play to me. I'd be interested to hear what other people think about it. If they can back their thoughts up with solid math, I'm interested to see that too. PokerStars Game #12589523615: Razz Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/10/12 - 17:50:48 (ET) Table 'Hedwig II' 8-max Seat 2: ssta ($83.20 in chips) Seat 3: dainmat ($28.40 in chips) Seat 4: OCVI2003 ($25.90 in chips) Seat 5: ciscouf ($83 in chips) Seat 6: biff57 ($31.70 in chips) Seat 8: veryhardwork ($12.30 in chips) ssta: posts the ante $0.10 dainmat: posts the ante $0.10 OCVI2003: posts the ante $0.10 ciscouf: posts the ante $0.10 biff57: posts the ante $0.10 veryhardwork: posts the ante $0.10 *** 3rd STREET *** Dealt to ssta [Ah 6h 7c] Dealt to dainmat [9d] Dealt to OCVI2003 [Ts] Dealt to ciscouf [3c] Dealt to biff57 [2h] Dealt to veryhardwork [7h] OCVI2003: brings in for $0.50 ciscouf: folds biff57: calls $0.50 veryhardwork: calls $0.50 ssta: calls $0.50 dainmat: folds *** 4th STREET *** Dealt to ssta [Ah 6h 7c] [7d] Dealt to OCVI2003 [Ts] [3h] Dealt to biff57 [2h] [8h] Dealt to veryhardwork [7h] [4d] veryhardwork: bets $1 ssta: calls $1 OCVI2003: folds biff57: folds *** 5th STREET *** Dealt to ssta [Ah 6h 7c 7d] [4h] Dealt to veryhardwork [7h 4d] [5s] veryhardwork: bets $2 ssta: calls $2 *** 6th STREET *** Dealt to ssta [Ah 6h 7c 7d 4h] [2c] Dealt to veryhardwork [7h 4d 5s] [6c] veryhardwork: bets $2 ssta: calls $2 *** RIVER *** Dealt to ssta [Ah 6h 7c 7d 4h 2c] [Qd] veryhardwork: bets $2 ssta: raises $2 to $4 veryhardwork: calls $2 *** SHOW DOWN *** ssta: shows [Ah 6h 7c 7d 4h 2c Qd] (Lo: 7,6,4,2,A) veryhardwork: mucks hand ssta collected $19.60 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $20.60 | Rake $1 Seat 2: ssta showed [Ah 6h 7c 7d 4h 2c Qd] and won ($19.60) with Lo: 7,6,4,2,A Seat 3: dainmat folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet) Seat 4: OCVI2003 folded on the 4th Street Seat 5: ciscouf folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet) Seat 6: biff57 folded on the 4th Street Seat 8: veryhardwork mucked [Ac Qc 7h 4d 5s 6c Th]