22:18:40 < peroyvind> ennael: why was there no live dvd? :(
22:19:13 < ennael> why always more things ? :)
22:19:23 < peroyvind> well, sure, always whys!
22:19:35 < peroyvind> and the lack of resolved whys
22:19:44 < peroyvind> latter is the case?
22:20:10 < ennael> peroyvind: we simplify range of products you want to add more of them
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22:21:17 < peroyvind> ennael: nono, my proposal was partly to simplify range while not crippling it :)
22:22:07 < peroyvind> and of course to not upset people
22:22:51 < peroyvind> omitting people's architecture, language/translation and favorite wm is not good :/
22:22:54 < dbarth> nicolas, meister: vous êtes là ?
22:23:15 < AdamW> peroyvind: ...but fixing all that requires about 20 Ones, as we had for 2007, which is also a bit silly
22:23:44 < peroyvind> AdamW: one(pun intended) live dvd
22:23:50 < peroyvind> to include all those
22:24:11 < AdamW> as anne says, just complicates things
22:24:14 < ennael> if you want to provide it as much as possible CD is still the best way
22:24:22 < ennael> fast to download
22:24:26 < AdamW> i don't think there's really a big problem with the range now.
22:24:34 < ennael> no need for high bw
22:24:37 < AdamW> the simplification *is* important.
22:24:50 < peroyvind> http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Ideas/LiveDVD
22:24:56 < AdamW> i know, for 2008.1 let's release one edition...a big blu-ray disc with everything on it. :D
22:25:02 < peroyvind> dude
22:25:06 < peroyvind> just because it's a dvd
22:25:08 < peroyvind> you don't need to fill it
22:25:31 < AdamW> put both KDE and GNOME and all languages on there and it's substantially bigger than a CD already
22:25:35 < AdamW> and you still didn't solve x86-64
22:25:44 < peroyvind> a dual arch live dvd with most popular wms as well as all translations doens't need to be bigger than 1Gb
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22:25:56 < peroyvind> yes, I did
22:26:11 < ennael> peroyvind: it's also complicated you can ask aginies
22:26:32 < peroyvind> ennael: yes, that might be, but that is the only valid complaint from what I can see :)
22:27:01 < ennael> whatever we will do we will always have compaint
22:27:04 < ennael> complaint
22:27:16  * peroyvind makes up excuse about blino saying it wouldn't be that hard :p
22:28:01 < peroyvind> ennael: of course, but providing a universal dvd would upset only those on obsolete hardware lacking dvd drive at least..
22:28:25 < ennael> so you kick all people in emerging counties
22:28:28 < ennael> countries
22:28:30 < peroyvind> haha
22:28:33 < ennael> that's great
22:28:34 < andreas> it already does. The cd comes out later and they already complain
22:28:42 < peroyvind> yeah, screw those people ;p
22:28:58 < ennael> andreas: ?
22:29:27 < peroyvind> but really, the discovery dvd was sort of a livedvd with everything on it, that must've been much more complicated..
22:29:31 < andreas> it's funny, for example the recent x-fi driver creative labs released for that sound card
22:29:35 < andreas> it was released for 64bits only
22:29:40 < peroyvind> oh
22:29:45 < andreas> many people started to complain about the lack of the 32bits version
22:29:48 < peroyvind> how original :)
22:29:58 < andreas> I bet the same thing would happen if it were the other way around, i.e., release 32b first
22:30:22 < andreas> you could write a template for the complaints
22:30:29 < ennael> :)
22:30:33 < andreas> "90% of the market has %b bit machines!"
22:31:48 < peroyvind> ennael: most people have dvd nowadays anyways, probably those in emerging countries as well, it's not like any machine less than five+ years old
                      comes with cd-rom in stead of dvd-rom, and very importantly: you would please a lot of contributors
22:32:33 < soig> someone just deleted kernel*latest* !!!
22:32:34 < peroyvind> maybe live dvd would be more of an unofficial option to look into as with xfce earlier..
22:32:37 < soig> from cooker/main
22:32:48  * soig loads his bazooka
22:32:52 < ennael> ?
22:33:23 < nicolas> dbarth: oui
22:33:24 < AdamW> peroyvind: the problem is that whenever we try to kill off CDs, people complain. as ennael says, whatever you do, people complain.
22:33:25 < andreas> peroyvind: assumptions are dangerous
22:33:41 < soig> ennael: ls /RPMS/kernel-*
22:33:49 < soig> ils ont été déplacés dans old on dirat
22:33:51 < nicolas> ennael: arbo raoh dispo pour bugzilla, redirection start fait !
22:33:52 < dbarth> nicolas: cf mon mail sur redirect /linux/powerpack/upgrade
22:33:58 < AdamW> peroyvind: if you include seventy editions covering every possible permutation, no one complains, but no one downloads the damn thing because the
                  download page looks like the manual for a nuclear missile.
22:34:07 < ennael> nicolas: super :)
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22:34:42 < nicolas> dbarth: toujours pas reçu, on a encore le pb des mail ça me gonfle !!!
22:34:45 < peroyvind> so the download page which describes allt he translations included is the biggest show stopper..?
22:35:16 < dbarth> nicolas: /linux/powerpack/upgrade -> /en/product/mandriva-linux-powerpack.html
22:35:17 < nicolas> ennael: on a installé 2 cgi pour les graphs, 80% du spam
22:35:31 < soig> ennael: blino a trouvé: uploader un kernel en maain/testing fait le ménage en main/release (enfin partiellement)
22:35:35 < blino> lcapitulino: why are you uploading kernels in main/testing for *cooker*?
22:35:36 < ennael> nicolas: pas etonnant
22:35:46 < ennael> soig: woot
22:35:52  * soig fires hits bazookat at luis
22:36:10 < dbarth> nicolas: c'est super important; c'était dans drupal, mais pas dans l'export statique, forcément
22:36:15 < blino> ennael: I reenabled youri jobs for 2007.0 and 2007.1, at your own risk
22:36:24 < ennael> blino: hey !
22:36:26 < soig> plank the children!
22:36:47 < lcapitulino> blino: I was wondering if the upload worked but I can see it did :)
22:37:01 < blino> lcapitulino: well, not really, it fscked the main/release tree
22:37:03 < lcapitulino> blino: upload to 2008.0 is not working according to mrl
22:37:07 < peroyvind> andreas: of course, but I don't think the worries against the idea are too realistic or relevant even if they're remotely realistic, I'd worry more
                      about the amount of people getting upset about the issues I mentioned..
22:37:11 < lcapitulino> blino: pff
22:37:15 < lcapitulino> blino: how?!
22:37:38 < blino> lcapitulino: removed kernel-latest from main/release
22:37:39 < peroyvind> dropping stuff without providing any alternatives is *not* good..
22:38:22 < peroyvind> arguments for not doing a live dvd would be a lot more relevant in discussions about things disappearing
22:38:24 < peroyvind> oh well
22:38:30 < lcapitulino> blino: but how an upload to 'main/testing' can do anything to something in 'main/release' ?
22:38:55 < blino> lcapitulino: because of a bug in youri modules I guess
22:38:56 < peroyvind> I'll go back to my stuff getting sick of myself nagging;p
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