Oct 07 21:50:05 * Sophomore (~Prototype@59.92.143.220) has joined #Linux Oct 07 21:50:17 hey, he's back Oct 07 21:50:38 was ist? Oct 07 21:50:45 * Semaphore gives channel operator status to Sophomore Oct 07 21:50:47 how'd the restart go? Oct 07 21:50:57 not well. I h8 grub >_< Oct 07 21:51:02 inquiring linux minds want to know Oct 07 21:51:06 ugh, grub issues eh Oct 07 21:51:09 "GRUB Hard Disk Error" Oct 07 21:51:10 yeah Oct 07 21:51:18 ah, I haven't seen that one befoer Oct 07 21:51:26 but I see it maintains the nice and fucking vague tradition Oct 07 21:51:36 mostly because knoppix 5.2 with its 2.6.19.5 kernel and all-generic-ide has a different interpretation of BIOS drive numbers than the BIOS itself Oct 07 21:51:41 I fucking hate grub. Oct 07 21:52:03 did you get it to work? Oct 07 21:52:10 I think the grub authors should be pummelled in the face with baseball bats until they are either dead or willing to provide a proper set of error messages Oct 07 21:52:13 did you use the famous grub floppy to determine grub drive order? Oct 07 21:52:13 no Oct 07 21:52:15 * JonathanXavier (~JonathanX@c-69-251-160-210.hsd1.md.comcast.net) has left #Linux Oct 07 21:52:24 I have no idea what that is. Oct 07 21:52:25 can you get into the grub shell? Oct 07 21:52:25 Sophomore: this is probably recoverable. Oct 07 21:52:31 johnf: no. Oct 07 21:52:32 Sophomore: you boot grub off a floppy so it's using the bios Oct 07 21:52:37 figure out what each drive is Oct 07 21:52:45 and then you can update the device mapping on your linux install. Oct 07 21:52:52 well, I already know the proper device mapping Oct 07 21:52:53 or, just reinstall from the floppy. Oct 07 21:53:00 grub in knoppix refuses to use said device mapping Oct 07 21:53:10 you should be using grub from your chroot, always. Oct 07 21:53:11 because grub is an asstastic piece of shit Oct 07 21:53:15 always, always, always, always. Oct 07 21:53:18 no, that doesn't work. Oct 07 21:53:22 how does that not work? Oct 07 21:53:25 you need to use --root-directory=/blah Oct 07 21:53:28 i've only done it a billion times. Oct 07 21:53:31 no. Oct 07 21:53:32 because it depends on /etc/mtab. Oct 07 21:53:33 yes. Oct 07 21:53:34 no. Oct 07 21:53:37 yes. Oct 07 21:53:39 no. Oct 07 21:53:44 yes ad nauseam Oct 07 21:53:44 waht the fuck did you run? Oct 07 21:53:57 grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sda1 /dev/sda Oct 07 21:54:07 root-directory takes care of the chrooting Oct 07 21:54:15 inside the chroot it can't figure out what /boot is Oct 07 21:54:23 despite the fact that /proc and /dev are --bind mounted Oct 07 21:54:29 and /etc/mtab has an entry. Oct 07 21:54:29 * eggauah (~daniel@201.82.45.179) has joined #Linux Oct 07 21:54:32 as does /etc/fstab. Oct 07 21:54:35 it's just too stupid Oct 07 21:54:53 I've actually NEVER been able to get grub to install from within a chroot, and I've ALWAYS had to use --root-directory Oct 07 21:54:57 i didn't mtab inside /usr/sbin/grub-install. Oct 07 21:55:00 didn't find, that is. Oct 07 21:55:06 and you shouldn't use it once grub is is installed Oct 07 21:55:10 well, it does something that plain doesn't work Oct 07 21:55:16 can you start typing in English? Oct 07 21:55:18 chroot in, run /sbin/grub, and run setup from within the shell. Oct 07 21:55:24 ugh Oct 07 21:55:34 grub-install is supposed to be the "right" way Oct 07 21:55:35 that is, in fact, what grub-setup does to install the bootloader. Oct 07 21:55:42 what grub-setup? Oct 07 21:55:45 grub-install. Oct 07 21:55:51 stop being such a lordhumper. Oct 07 21:56:42 btw I did install using the grub shell. Oct 07 21:56:45 the issue is this Oct 07 21:57:02 I booted off the CDROM Oct 07 21:57:08 so my PATA hard disk became 0x80 Oct 07 21:57:21 and my SATA hard disk (<-- the one with the install) became 0x81 Oct 07 21:57:34 when I'm booting off the hard disk the BIOS maps it to 0x80. Oct 07 21:57:45 this means that even the grub floppy won't get it right. Oct 07 21:57:47 right, fine. so you can fix that, but you're not goign to be doing it with grub-install. Oct 07 21:57:52 yes, it will. Oct 07 21:57:56 the grugb floppy uses the BIOS mappings Oct 07 21:57:59 how can it use anything else? Oct 07 21:58:00 what I need to do is to tell grub, look here, dipshit, THIS drive is going to be 0x80. Oct 07 21:58:15 the bios mappings differ based on what drive you're booting off. Oct 07 21:58:25 if you boot off a removable it's according to PCI scan Oct 07 21:58:35 if it boots off one of the hard disks my BIOS maps THAT to 0x80 Oct 07 21:58:38 * [var]osx has quit (Quit: [var]osx) Oct 07 21:58:39 to make windows happy. Oct 07 21:58:47 hence why the grub floppy will not work Oct 07 21:58:49 you can still map from withing the floppy. Oct 07 21:58:55 because the mappings it sees are incorrect Oct 07 21:59:05 if so I can do it from the grub shell within knx too Oct 07 21:59:09 no floppy required. Oct 07 21:59:14 and passing the d to the installer should make it irrelevant anyway. Oct 07 21:59:26 speak english pls Oct 07 21:59:29 in conclusion Oct 07 21:59:31 grub sucks Oct 07 21:59:36 yes. yes it does. Oct 07 21:59:45 johnf: the grub installer sucks, the rest of it is fine Oct 07 21:59:46 Sophomore: build a valid, correct, sane device.map Oct 07 21:59:50 I swear, I haven't had half the issues with lilo that I've had with grub. sigh. Oct 07 21:59:54 Noth++ Oct 07 21:59:57 Noth: nah, I'm inclined to disagree Oct 07 21:59:59 LordHunter317: it is a valid, correct, sane device.map. Oct 07 22:00:03 it sucks, it's installer sucks more Oct 07 22:00:08 LordHunter317: the problem is with grub itself Oct 07 22:00:09 Sophomore: post it. Oct 07 22:00:22 LordHunter317: when I do setup (hd0,1) it doesn't refer to device.map. Oct 07 22:00:25 johnf: ah so you're taking the lh stance that everything sucks and you're just trying to decide on the level of sucktitude? Oct 07 22:00:28 LordHunter317: it goes straight to the BIOS Oct 07 22:00:37 LordHunter317: figures out, oh, this doesn't have stage1 Oct 07 22:00:42 LordHunter317: and gives up Oct 07 22:00:52 LordHunter317: even though at boot time, that device IS what will have it Oct 07 22:00:53 Sophomore: what the flying fuck are you talking about? Oct 07 22:01:06 * OmegaBLK (~malloc@71-9-38-182.dhcp.wsco.ca.charter.com) has joined #Linux Oct 07 22:01:10 in Linux, device.map is always used and preferred Oct 07 22:01:12 Noth: he didn't exactly invent that stance Oct 07 22:01:16 you can tell it any mappings you fucking please. Oct 07 22:01:19 and it will obey them. Oct 07 22:01:24 johnf: no, but he's the most vocal about it around here Oct 07 22:01:25 LordHunter317: not when setting up evidently. Oct 07 22:02:33 that's not waht the documentation implies. Oct 07 22:02:40 and without showing me exaclty what you ran, it's hard to tell Oct 07 22:02:43 or the map file, for that matter. Oct 07 22:02:56 I can't paste immediately right now Oct 07 22:03:01 give me ten minutes Oct 07 22:03:02 windi: your russian friend are sending me more spam than ever to my work address Oct 07 22:03:04 tell them to stop Oct 07 22:03:10 or I will be forced to make an example of you Oct 07 22:03:41 (at least wierd unicode characters sort last, it makes it easy to remove them) Oct 07 22:03:51 it's immensely annoying to do all this shit because knoppix has zero evms support oob and my wonderful 256/64 means it takes fucking ages to apt-get update so I can finally install evms Oct 07 22:04:05 you used evms? Oct 07 22:04:14 for my root and home fses, yes Oct 07 22:04:17 for /boot, no Oct 07 22:04:41 (well, in the sense that it's a compatibility volume inside evms, but as far as anything else is concerned it's a regular partition with ext3) Oct 07 22:05:01 forgive me, compatability volume? Oct 07 22:05:05 where do you mount it out of? Oct 07 22:05:13 i.e. not a native EVMS volume Oct 07 22:05:17 is it a EVMS volume, a lvm volume, something else? Oct 07 22:05:24 it shows up as /dev/evms/sda2 Oct 07 22:05:25 yea, you lost me too Oct 07 22:05:25 because I know you were talking about growing and shit, right? Oct 07 22:05:30 it's a regular PC partition. Oct 07 22:05:36 /boot is specifically Oct 07 22:05:49 / and /home are LVM2 volumes managed by EVMS. Oct 07 22:06:01 ah, I see Oct 07 22:07:23 debian's grub has evms support Oct 07 22:07:43 so it can handle evms volumes as well as "compatibility" ones according to the boot guide on evms.sf.net Oct 07 22:08:03 er, no, the reference was on wiki.debian.org Oct 07 22:08:09 regarding doing an EVMS install Oct 07 22:10:18 hmm, but you don't really need the EVMS support Oct 07 22:10:27 as the volumes are LVM2, they're just managed by EVMS Oct 07 22:10:28 right? Oct 07 22:10:32 lvm would've been sufficient. Oct 07 22:10:34 yes Oct 07 22:10:46 in any case, I have no doubt I'd have seen the same issue with lvm Oct 07 22:10:47 of course, none of this is getting you closer to running grub Oct 07 22:10:58 since at this stage it's nowhere near even hitting the root fs Oct 07 22:11:17 and as far as grub is concerned /boot is a regular 1980s partition Oct 07 22:11:48 I miss the 80s Oct 07 22:11:54 things were simpler then Oct 07 22:12:02 of course, I was < 12, so that probably helped Oct 07 22:12:21 I feel as if I should just set up a GPT on this thing and go elilo Oct 07 22:12:29 my bios supports UEFI Oct 07 22:12:44 Fancy pants. Oct 07 22:12:59 hmm Oct 07 22:13:03 that probably has a better chance of working :p Oct 07 22:13:04 I guess that means mine does too Oct 07 22:13:14 yeah, it's an option in the BIOS setup Oct 07 22:14:14 Same mb? Oct 07 22:14:35 very similar Oct 07 22:14:40 i have mATX Oct 07 22:14:42 soph does Oct 07 22:14:45 doesn't Oct 07 22:15:03 wow, the E2160 even has EM64T Oct 07 22:15:10 nub. Oct 07 22:15:17 does ti have vt? Oct 07 22:15:18 It's Intel 64! Oct 07 22:15:25 yes, E2160 is just missing VT and a huge chunk of cache Oct 07 22:15:27 I don't think so. Oct 07 22:15:31 ah, that's it Oct 07 22:15:33 E4xxx doesn't. Oct 07 22:15:36 cache is for nubs Oct 07 22:15:43 ;) Oct 07 22:15:54 hmm, there doesn't seem to be much I can do to speed boot on this Oct 07 22:16:08 cache probably matters very little for streaming video processing, but I'm not sure Oct 07 22:16:27 So it wouldn't make sense for the pentium e's to have vt... of course, asking intel's product line to make sense might be asking a bit much. Oct 07 22:16:27 probably depends, playback, doubtful Oct 07 22:16:43 cbaoth: /intel/any tech company/ Oct 07 22:17:00 ref: ATI, AMD, Nvidia, etc... Oct 07 22:17:06 oh boy Oct 07 22:17:08 encoding also probably doesn't need much cache; just needs to keep the processor fed Oct 07 22:17:13 Streaming data, so you just want your codec + glue to fit in cache. Oct 07 22:17:20 UAW may be striking against chrysler next... ;_; Oct 07 22:17:34 this box doesn't do anything other than play video Oct 07 22:17:38 I may be crossing some picket lines to get to work Oct 07 22:17:54 though I may find a way to use that powerhouse of a proc a bit more Oct 07 22:18:04 johnf: the E2160 is just for the frontend? Oct 07 22:18:10 yeah Oct 07 22:18:13 diskless frontend Oct 07 22:18:19 johnf: 1080p 'movies' Oct 07 22:18:35 cbaoth: to my SD tv? Oct 07 22:18:39 Yes. Oct 07 22:18:48 Over composite. Oct 07 22:18:55 lol Oct 07 22:19:06 with mono audio! Oct 07 22:19:10 cbaoth: can you feel the data not being used? and you somehow relish in it... Oct 07 22:19:50 send the audio over monochannel Hello Kitty earphones Oct 07 22:20:03 !g hello kitty tv Oct 07 22:20:03 URL: http://www.amazon.com/Hello-Kitty-13%2522-Color-KT2113/dp/B00009LZP8 Oct 07 22:20:24 There's your new tv johnf. Oct 07 22:20:36 I got my GF a Hello Kitty iPod Dock Speaker system, it's primary use is as a recharging station Oct 07 22:21:04 hey, hello kitty is pretty fuckin' tech saavy Oct 07 22:21:23 I wonder if she is as pedantic as LH317 or Sophomore...probably Oct 07 22:22:12 that TV even comes with Rabbit Ears that sophomore is going on about Oct 07 22:22:39 i dated a girl with a hello kitty waffle maker and toilet seat and all of that Oct 07 22:22:43 that lasted about a day or 2 Oct 07 22:23:45 my ex GF had a hello kitty vibrator Oct 07 22:23:45 ;p; Oct 07 22:23:48 much cooler Oct 07 22:23:58 ok, I'm out to see my grandmother Oct 07 22:23:59 bbl Oct 07 22:24:18 glad I could use the word vibrator right before he goes to his grandma's Oct 07 22:24:56 heh Oct 07 22:25:12 wad up george Oct 07 22:25:31 not much Oct 07 22:25:32 you? Oct 07 22:25:39 just tinkering around Oct 07 22:25:51 http://sourceforge.net/projects/qtocc/ Oct 07 22:25:52 Title: SourceForge.net: QtOpenCascade Oct 07 22:26:08 starting to work on this with a guy I've been talking to about it since last winter Oct 07 22:26:16 he hasn't uploaded the code yet Oct 07 22:26:32 thought you weren't a Qt fan, heh Oct 07 22:26:42 best x-platform toolkit Oct 07 22:26:43 but that was like 3 years ago now Oct 07 22:27:14 I still like gtkmm best in terms of architecture but this is crossplatform and qt's easier for that Oct 07 22:27:34 we are missing the gnome summit! Oct 07 22:28:08 besides, he started the code, i just made it work on linux Oct 07 22:28:21 coo Oct 07 22:28:37 * FryLAPTOP has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 07 22:28:57 I've been using the agony that is qcad today to teach myself a lesson Oct 07 22:29:26 hmmm, you know, I won't miss supporting cad packages Oct 07 22:29:40 where do you work now? Oct 07 22:29:58 Sophomore: you ready for some help? because I need to disappear in a few minutes. Oct 07 22:30:13 yugami: I work on ubuntu now fulltime Oct 07 22:30:33 LordHunter317: http://pastebin.ca/729215 Oct 07 22:30:35 Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 729215 Oct 07 22:30:44 LordHunter317: as you can see grub seems to completely ignore device.map Oct 07 22:30:50 oh THATS why it's goind down hill Oct 07 22:30:58 ;) Oct 07 22:30:58 heh Oct 07 22:31:13 Semaphore: sda is the sata drive? Oct 07 22:31:20 yes Oct 07 22:31:34 if so, why the bloddy hell did you install to the IDE drive? Oct 07 22:31:40 I didn't. Oct 07 22:31:43 that's the thing. Oct 07 22:31:48 i see you listing (hd0) and installing to (hd1). Oct 07 22:31:51 yes Oct 07 22:31:54 notice find? Oct 07 22:32:01 that looks for /grub/stage1. Oct 07 22:32:08 there is exactly one instance of it. Oct 07 22:32:13 on the SATA drive. Oct 07 22:32:28 i don't think that's meant to be used inside Linux. Oct 07 22:32:50 let me pastebin what happens when I try to install on (hd0,1), which is what it is when it's booting off that hard disk. Oct 07 22:33:19 whiprush, so what do you do for ubuntu? Oct 07 22:34:00 LordHunter317: then what is? Oct 07 22:34:02 http://pastebin.ca/729218 Oct 07 22:34:03 Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 729218 Oct 07 22:34:14 note how it doesn't find /grub/stage1 Oct 07 22:34:28 (because that's a 75GB partition on the IDE drive) Oct 07 22:34:37 (which doesn't have grub on it) Oct 07 22:35:41 and if you run the shell and explicitly give the device.map? Oct 07 22:35:47 yugami: community development stuff, specifically with upstreams (kde, gnome, xorg, etc) Oct 07 22:36:14 * mr_b0m (~mr_b0m@90-228-252-240-no13.tbcn.telia.com) has joined #Linux Oct 07 22:36:17 fun Oct 07 22:36:23 putting up with whiny bitches all day Oct 07 22:36:28 heh Oct 07 22:36:34 * mr_b0m is now known as Mr_Bom_ Oct 07 22:36:57 * Mr_Bom has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Oct 07 22:36:58 http://pastebin.ca/729222 <--w00t Oct 07 22:36:59 Title: general pastebin - Untitled - post number 729222 Oct 07 22:37:05 thanks for the idea Oct 07 22:37:18 it ought to use that anyway, odd it didn't. Oct 07 22:37:22 /anyway/ Oct 07 22:37:22 I had no idea grub shell was too retarded to be able to automatically use /boot/grub/device.map[ Oct 07 22:37:26 as a backup Oct 07 22:37:31 yugami: lots of travel soon though Oct 07 22:37:33 should be fun Oct 07 22:37:35 you can try running within the shell: Oct 07 22:38:12 # Oct 07 22:38:13 install /grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,1)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu Oct 07 22:38:13 # Oct 07 22:38:18 whoops, sorry, one sec Oct 07 22:38:47 that's kind of what it ran itself :p Oct 07 22:38:54 install /grub/stage1 d (hd1) (hd1)1+16 p (hd1,1)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.lst Oct 07 22:38:59 note how I added the 'd' Oct 07 22:39:02 hd1? Oct 07 22:39:06 hd0. Oct 07 22:39:14 Semaphore: this is from before, when it wasn't using the device.map. Oct 07 22:39:40 'd' tells grub to not just look at the drive it booted off, but to search for where it ought to be. Oct 07 22:39:50 grub> install /grub/stage1 d (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,1)/grub/stage2 /grub/menu.> Oct 07 22:39:50 grub> Oct 07 22:39:54 no news is good news? Oct 07 22:39:58 well, yes. Oct 07 22:40:02 k Oct 07 22:40:16 anyway, as I was going to say,running it wiht that 'd' with or without the device.map ought to fix it if the device.map by itself didn't. Oct 07 22:40:22 as it changes the searching. Oct 07 22:40:29 hopefully this works, though. Oct 07 22:40:36 time to give it the old college try Oct 07 22:40:38 brb Oct 07 22:40:53 ok, i ought to be here for a minute or two when you come back. Oct 07 22:45:10 you need to do a /name LordHumper Oct 07 22:45:23 pretty sure my gf would agree with that. Oct 07 22:45:49 well, it managed to get to stage2 Oct 07 22:46:13 now when I try to boot the kernel grub bitches about not being able to find the root fs (which is on lvm) Oct 07 22:46:50 i'ts probably trying to set the root to / instead of /boot Oct 07 22:46:54 which you can fix. Oct 07 22:47:03 ? Oct 07 22:48:05 the grub 'root' command is superflorous to booting the kernel. Oct 07 22:48:17 it's actually not necessary for anything, it just saves you from absolute paths. Oct 07 22:48:28 still not following you Oct 07 22:48:36 what iscommand is grub failing on? Oct 07 22:48:37 you put / on lvm? Oct 07 22:48:40 a 'root' command Oct 07 22:48:44 or the 'kernel' command? Oct 07 22:48:46 it's not a syntax issue. Oct 07 22:48:54 "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition." Oct 07 22:49:03 but on what line? Oct 07 22:49:29 it lists both Oct 07 22:49:50 the root line, followed by grub saying "this is partition type 0x8e) Oct 07 22:49:52 followed by Oct 07 22:49:54 the kernel line Oct 07 22:50:00 then "Error 17". Oct 07 22:50:02 hm. Oct 07 22:50:03 and the root line is? Oct 07 22:50:07 I may have the root line wrong Oct 07 22:50:08 let me go check Oct 07 22:50:11 that;'s what I'm telling you. Oct 07 22:50:21 root is likely pointing to the / partition, not /boot Oct 07 22:50:23 you're clear as mud, has anyone told you that? Oct 07 22:50:23 point it at /boot Oct 07 22:50:41 Sophomore: the 'root' grub command is equivalent to 'cd' for grub, ok? Oct 07 22:50:59 you don't even have to use it. Oct 07 22:51:17 if you say (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-2.6.22-whatever root=blah Oct 07 22:51:22 that was it, as well as another thing Oct 07 22:51:32 err kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz-whatever root=blah Oct 07 22:51:34 it was listed as /boot/vmlinuz and /boot/initrd.img Oct 07 22:51:35 the thing is Oct 07 22:51:40 this is generated by update-grub Oct 07 22:51:58 so I need some way to tell _update-grub_ to do the right thing generating these entries Oct 07 22:52:08 edit the menu.lst Oct 07 22:52:11 fix the groot= line Oct 07 22:52:24 that's one part Oct 07 22:52:27 how do I fix the other? Oct 07 22:52:40 (where it provides absolute pathnames to the kernel and initramfs) Oct 07 22:53:02 I think it's smart enough to do the right thing. Oct 07 22:53:08 ok, let me tryh Oct 07 22:53:11 this thing is booting :D Oct 07 22:53:12 least, when I was running /boot and LVM on /, it did. Oct 07 22:53:23 thanks for the help btw Oct 07 22:53:28 bo Oct 07 22:53:30 err np Oct 07 22:54:08 just run update-grub and check the file it generates after making the change. Oct 07 22:54:14 ugh, the splashscreen renders in text mode Oct 07 22:54:27 (ew) Oct 07 22:54:48 think I need fbcon and a vga= line Oct 07 22:54:57 the grub splashscreen? Oct 07 22:55:45 man. Chicago and Philly both got swept. Oct 07 22:56:00 my friend next cube over is going to be pissed. Oct 07 22:56:11 I don't even know who to pull for now. Oct 07 22:56:42 I was shopping for a radio control car for my nephew, and I found a tank loaded with 10 nerf missles. Oct 07 22:56:51 Best uncle, ever. Oct 07 22:57:21 motherfucker. LSU won yesterday too. Oct 07 22:58:56 Sophomore: the grub splashscreen you can't do anything about. Oct 07 22:59:27 * Mr_Bom_ has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 07 23:03:29 johnnyace, sweet Oct 07 23:06:36 LordHunter317: going to try fbcon with a vga= mode setting Oct 07 23:06:45 LordHunter317: and thanks, groot fixed both issues Oct 07 23:06:53 wish grub were as smart as update-grub :p Oct 07 23:07:11 Semaphore: for the grub splashimage? won't work. Oct 07 23:07:16 it's displayed by grub, not the kernel. Oct 07 23:10:28 stupid resume question, if a company I worked at once got renamed, I put the old name on, right? Oct 07 23:10:47 That's enough twilight princess for one day; this part sucks w/o arrows Oct 07 23:10:54 windi: I would imagine so Oct 07 23:11:02 windi: both, I would think. Something like Original Name (now New Name) Oct 07 23:11:12 windi: do they still trade under the old name? Oct 07 23:11:17 * Noth has quit (Quit: leaving) Oct 07 23:11:34 seems better to be current trading name (formerly blah) Oct 07 23:12:42 stupid russian owners renaming the company Oct 07 23:12:46 Maybe; I figure it would be better to use old (now new) so that they know that you worked for 'em under the old name Oct 07 23:12:56 it seems obvious if you use both Oct 07 23:13:06 !8 twilight princess or ffvii Oct 07 23:13:06 boskone: Both/All. Oct 07 23:13:07 but i'd make the name they're going to find your former employer under more prominent. Oct 07 23:13:19 not at _all_ helpful Oct 07 23:13:28 windi: Putin Corp? Oct 07 23:13:32 rol Oct 07 23:13:34 no Oct 07 23:13:38 random oligarch corp Oct 07 23:13:47 actually Oct 07 23:13:56 the old name was Strom Telecom Oct 07 23:14:14 the new name is Sitronics Telecom Solutions, part of Sitronics, part of ASC Sistema Oct 07 23:15:26 * Noth (Noth@c-24-3-148-76.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #Linux Oct 07 23:15:50 er AFK Sistema Oct 07 23:15:59 ...afk? rofl Oct 07 23:16:01 ominous name Oct 07 23:16:06 ASC is a telecom company based in my home village Oct 07 23:16:28 "128/64 service: 2 chickens, 1 goat setup fee" Oct 07 23:16:44 rol no Oct 07 23:17:02 that'd be awesome, though Oct 07 23:17:06 they do recording shit Oct 07 23:17:07 unprofitable, but awesome Oct 07 23:17:11 ah Oct 07 23:17:17 http://www.asctelecom.com/english/index_e.html Oct 07 23:17:18 Title: ASC telecom - Communications Recording and Quality Monitoring Oct 07 23:27:34 ooh Oct 07 23:27:37 Sophomore: you all grubed up now? Oct 07 23:28:12 * case has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Oct 07 23:28:23 * case (~case@c-a80de655.82-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #Linux Oct 07 23:29:40 grub has caused us a lot of issues too Oct 07 23:29:49 "can't find stage 1.5" my fucking ass Oct 07 23:30:07