[05:14] hi! [05:14] [505] Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) [05:15] <-> nickserv> register email [05:15] [Notice] -NickServ- The nickname [DFM_] is already registered [05:15] <-> nickserv> identify email [05:15] [Notice] -NickServ- Password Incorrect [05:15] <-> nickserv> identify emailme [05:15] [Notice] -NickServ- Password Incorrect [05:16] [Notice] -NickServ- This nickname is owned by someone else [05:16] [Notice] -NickServ- If this is your nickname, type /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [05:16] <-> nickserv> identify email [05:16] [Notice] -NickServ- Password accepted - you are now recognized [05:16] hi! [05:16] me = dfm [05:16] had to identify and registered with real name... [05:17] as did I [05:17] you there? [05:17] ye [05:18] let's forget icq/aim and use irc [05:18] I haven't used ICQ in years [05:18] er... [05:18] I wonder if my ICQ # is still good [05:18] to contact u i need inet and a console irc client [05:19] I still remember it [05:19] use irssi [05:19] hey! who could forget. ;) [05:19] 62769880 [05:19] thats my ICQ # [05:19] that would be "pacman -sY irssi"? [05:19] haven't used it since like 1999 [05:19] no [05:19] pacman -Sy irssi [05:19] oops [05:19] hehe [05:20] pastebin.ca/746287 [05:20] almost [05:20] pacman -S is th first part needed to download packages [05:20] so first one updates package list!? [05:20] y argument updates your local database [05:20] no [05:20] 2nd alsa [05:20] 3rd xorg and drivers [05:20] oh [05:20] pacman -Syu [05:21] yes [05:21] yes? [05:21] that updates your system if anything is out of date [05:21] but i always use FTP installs [05:21] when I used to use arch [05:21] like apt-get update [05:21] just shorter ;) [05:21] ok then [05:21] i need the ftp-iso [05:21] it saves you the hastle of setting up internet later [05:21] if you use DHCP [05:22] sure i do [05:22] what kernel driver does your ethernet use? [05:22] sec [05:22] mine uses forcedeth [05:22] my kernels been stripped down [05:22] so its only 1,333 KB image on my /boot partition [05:23] are you telling me your kernel is < 2KBytes? [05:23] no [05:23] 1.3 MBs [05:23] :) [05:23] too good to be true ;) [05:23] it is true though [05:23] where do i look this up? [05:24] look what up? [05:24] the driver you use? [05:24] the kernel mod of my ethernet card [05:24] ye [05:24] I found it out by cross-referencing modules [05:24] with lsmod [05:24] all my drivers are built into my kernel [05:25] except nvidia/madwifi [05:25] via_rhine [05:25] ah [05:25] i presume [05:25] the rhine [05:25] ethernet [05:25] :) [05:25] arch should auto-detect all your relevant hardware [05:25] sounds good [05:25] er... [05:25] hey, it autodetected my rhine-III card when i still used it [05:26] ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/sunsite.unc-mirror/distributions/archlinux/ [05:26] do you ever rip your own audio CDs? [05:26] seldomly... [05:27] if you ever encode audio, at high bitrates, i'd suggest using musepack :) [05:27] ok [05:27] now i'm here [05:27] ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/sunsite.unc-mirror/distributions/archlinux/iso/latest/ [05:27] do i use x64 (ye, /me got athlon64) or good ol i686 [05:27] ? [05:27] use 64 bit if you dont use any of the apps that are 32 bit only [05:27] mhm [05:28] like... firefox? [05:28] I can think of 2 off the top of my head [05:28] no [05:28] firefox can be compiled under 64 bit [05:28] but kiss flash player goodbye [05:28] :/ [05:28] do you even use it? [05:28] as a multi-media-youtube-kiddie i'll probably need it [05:29] how big is the gain anyways? [05:29] i've heard of people mananaging to use the open source flash player [05:29] very small [05:29] wine is good [05:29] but' [05:29] 32 bit only [05:29] so i'll stick with i686 and everything will be fine (if a little slower) [05:29] mainly flash player/wine/zsnes that i know of being 32 bit only [05:30] so the difference between core and ftp is that the latter sets up inet with dhcp automagically and gets core packages on-the-fly right? [05:30] yea [05:30] ok [05:30] but core can still do FTP install [05:30] it uses the same installer [05:31] just core comes packed with packages [05:31] you don't need to install the devel section of core if [05:31] you dont plan to need gcc, etc [05:31] that's really cool. a distro with ~30 megs [05:31] i will need gcc [05:31] eventually [05:31] so install the entire devel section [05:31] you can probably pick arch's base down a bit more if you want to [05:32] like remove file system utils for file systems your not using [05:32] sounds reasonable [05:32] remove vim and just use nano [05:32] arch installed vim and nano for editors [05:32] never [05:32] ;) [05:32] installs [05:32] vice versa [05:32] vim own [05:32] s [05:33] if you ever want an easy to use source distro [05:33] maybe i'll use gvim [05:33] try out lunar-linux.org [05:33] it can copy and paste without mouse, right? [05:33] I don't know. [05:33] I use mouse a lot [05:33] :/ [05:33] more than you [05:33] I use keyboard/mouse about the same [05:33] that you can be sure of [05:34] I'm a windows immigrate :P [05:34] immigrant* [05:34] or however you spell it [05:34] i have 90/10 kb/mouse and want 99.9/0.1 [05:34] me too [05:34] i started with c64, then dos, then windows up to xp, then debian, then ubuntu (and a small trip to LFS) [05:35] you'll probably like the Eterm terminal [05:35] it has some nifty visual effects [05:35] and very configurable [05:35] and lightweight [05:35] i don't like visual effects :) [05:35] i like lightweight [05:35] and i like configurable [05:35] well it has some nifty backgrounds [05:35] and i like keyboard shortcuts [05:35] for the text to overlap [05:35] thats about it for visual effects [05:35] and i like syntax highlighting [05:36] Eterm also properly handles key commands to terminal [05:36] felix: Eterm has a built-in phrase selector [05:36] that's the thing with vi. you can do about anything with it, but every little change needs much time and reading... [05:36] a phrase selector? [05:36] so i can select without mouse? [05:36] so it can be used in every terminal app that doesn't support it [05:36] i assume it can be brought up without mouse somehow [05:37] but the only way I know of to bring it up is [05:37] use menu [05:37] Eterm has a lot of programming functioniality [05:38] other decent terminals might be [05:38] mrxvt if you like tabs [05:38] urxvt also supports tabs if you enable the built-in perl extension [05:38] eterm's the extendend version of rxvt which is a slimmed down version of xterm :D [05:39] that's funny [05:39] i don't need tabs [05:39] i like Eterm for its nifty background :) [05:39] instead of bleh black [05:40] oroborus is very configurable [05:40] i need yakuake or ... [05:40] yakuake? [05:40] whats that [05:41] you know quake, the game? [05:41] heard of it [05:41] but i'd expect someone like to like mud gaming more than anything ;p [05:41] mud? [05:41] you* [05:41] Multi User Dungeon [05:41] omg [05:41] :D [05:42] its completely text based [05:42] i enjoy slaughtering people with railgun and rocket on 3d maps at high speed [05:42] o_O [05:42] just saying it might be your style [05:42] :) [05:43] mudconnect.com if you want an index of muds [05:43] on topic: quake has the console [05:43] it drops of the top of the screen to the middle [05:43] and yakuake emulates this for X [05:43] so instead of having loads of windows, you have ONE window at the top of the screen [05:44] if your a programmer, you'd probably love fvwm :p [05:44] http://images.google.de/images?q=yakuake&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:de:unofficial&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi [05:44] icewm is also nice [05:44] mhm [05:45] has built-in keyboard hotkeys [05:45] i was thinking about ratpoison [05:45] ion might also work [05:45] and the hotkeys argument... well, xbindkeys (decoupling logic from presentation is good) [05:46] I swear, lxpanel is a lot like icewm's panel [05:46] except it can be themed by gtk2 [05:46] i don't need themes [05:46] lol [05:46] i'm like a purist [05:46] arch also has sawfish [05:46] maybe i even leave X as it is and run firefox in the frame buffer [05:47] is that even possible? [05:47] i doubt it [05:47] firefox uses gtk2 [05:47] which relys on xorg to function [05:48] http://mail.directfb.org/pipermail/directfb-dev/2006-January/001433.html [05:48] says it's possible [05:48] but you'd have to run X on top of the fb [05:48] and that would be really stupid [05:49] good thing i got a laptop here. this way we can chat and i can install simultaneously [05:50] o_o [05:51] what's the don't panic thing? [05:51] its the codename [05:52] of this series [05:52] you might like firebox when its next release is out [05:52] and why is latest linked to 2007-08 when 2007-10 is out? [05:52] what's that? [05:53] its the 2nd release of that CD [05:53] its a revision [05:53] oh [05:53] ok [05:53] firebox is a window manager [05:53] ftp://ftp.tu-chemnitz.de/pub/linux/sunsite.unc-mirror/distributions/archlinux/iso/ [05:53] very minimalistic [05:53] latest links to 2007.08 [05:53] more keyboard driven [05:53] but not a tiling WM [05:54] but real latest is 2007.10 [05:54] wtf? [05:54] has alt+tab and a configurable dynamic menu [05:54] felix, thats the DATE [05:54] go by the name [05:54] huh? [05:55] tyroth, i KNOW that 2007.08 and 2007.10 are dates [05:55] but felix wonders why the latest folder links to 2007.08 instead of 2007.10 [05:55] and felix thinks that maybe tyroth has an explanation. [05:55] :P [05:56] who knows... [05:56] all that matters is the ISOs date [05:57] lxpanel also has a cpu monitor built into it... heh [05:57] probably someone forgot to update the link [05:57] while cd's burning i'll tar my lungs... [05:57] brb [05:57] [05:57] lxpanel also has a cpu monitor built into it... heh [05:58] that one sat [05:58] i'm sold [05:59] it also has a clock and system tray [05:59] tasklist [05:59] application launch bar [05:59] and menu [05:59] you can change its appearance by changing the GTK2 theme [05:59] if you so desire [06:00] at the very least i'd suggest changing the font [06:00] with gtk2_prefs from the pacman repo [06:01] lxpanel also has a pager, minimize all windows button, and spacing pieces [06:01] I typically disable the pager though [06:01] I only need 1 workspace [06:01] if you enjoy classic SNES games, etc [06:02] you'll enjoy emulators like zsnes and fceultra [06:02] re [06:02] zsnes is my preferred linux snes emulator [06:02] has a nice GUI to go with it [06:02] its own GUI [06:02] you're a living arch linux wiki ;) [06:03] it even works in the framebuffer [06:03] if you enable it [06:03] arch disables the framebuffer by default [06:03] how do i enable it then? [06:03] pass the right command to the kernel during bootup [06:04] its documented in the grub menu [06:04] if you edit it [06:04] I'd suggesting enabling more than 256 colors though =p [06:04] zsnes looks ugly if you only use 256 [06:07] theres also a GUI version of links that can use the framebuffer [06:07] but its not really worth the trouble [06:08] i study CS and my Fachhochschule (college?) has windows, so i stick with firefox and google browser sync [06:09] i.e.: X with firefox and lxpanel [06:11] firebox has a dynamic window [06:11] comes up in the middle of screen when you hit the hotkey [06:11] then you select what app to launch [06:11] nice [06:11] but its a bit buggy atm [06:11] where's it's page? couldn find it at google [06:12] i suggest waiting until next release [06:12] ok [06:12] firebox.intuxication.org [06:12] the easy configurator is GUI mouse [06:12] but [06:12] once you get it right [06:12] you dont need to fiddle with it again [06:12] :) [06:13] so what WM do you use atm? [06:13] oroborus [06:13] o_o [06:13] yeah [06:13] i forgot ;) [06:13] but its so minimalistic [06:13] its useless without supplemenetal programs [06:14] ROX is a good file manager for example [06:14] it can act as a place to store iconified/minimized windows [06:14] hasa background manager [06:14] and a panel setup [06:15] man i really cut my finger bad [06:15] luckily i contained it before it got on anything [06:15] x_x [06:18] hello? [06:18] yeye [06:18] i'm still here [06:18] so how slow is your CD burner? 1x? XD [06:18] question is: how do i get started fast? [06:18] :D [06:18] cd is done [06:19] started on what? [06:19] x [06:19] ...? [06:19] why are you talkin about xorg when you haven't even installed eyt [06:20] never mind [06:20] * Tyroth boggles. [06:21] ok [06:21] i'll begin installing then [06:21] brb [06:21] bootup live cd [06:21] etc [06:21] ye