[20:41] so the thing a little while ago [20:41] with the 19 George Washington University students getting subpoena from the RIAA. [20:41] explain why that isnt going to happen to me [20:41] i am seriously worried especially since everyone i have talked to says "you will most likely be fine" [20:41] i dunno rofl [20:41] i really dont like the term "most likely" right now [20:41] look [20:41] okay [20:41] nobody can say for sure. [20:42] i guess [20:42] but I'd bet my goddamn [20:42] eyes [20:42] okay let's say they went after me [20:42] that's as close to "for certain" as anyone can give you [20:42] let's take that route - what would they do [20:42] they would kill you [20:42] they uh [20:42] might [20:42] since on the riaa website it says some shit about each song being $750? [20:43] that would basically kill me yes [20:43] i dont have uh that kind of money [20:43] that's an arbitrary figure lol [20:43] toph [20:43] they can't [20:43] prove [20:43] you did anything [20:43] why not [20:43] some shit in your profile about what you uploaded [20:43] (which they removed last week, mind you) [20:43] does not count as admissible evidence [20:43] they would have to have downloaded the entire file from you [20:43] to substantiate that you have it [20:44] this is why bittorrent shit like this does not ever go anywhere [20:44] who would have to have downloaded the entire file from me [20:44] the riaa etc? [20:44] but uh my ratio is on there and why isnt that enough to ruin me etc [20:44] whoever wanted to sue you [20:44] uh [20:44] because your "ratio" [20:44] okay i get it [20:44] says nothing about whose copyrights you violated or indeed if you violated any at all [20:45] and it might not even be real [20:45] so uh if shit starts going down and i just delete all my songs [20:45] they have 0 way to prove i did anything? [20:45] ya [20:45] they can't really make a good enough case to subpoena you in the first place [20:45] so even if they did decide to investigate you specifically [20:45] okay [20:45] it is 99% certain you'd never even HEAR about it [20:45] how did they get the george washington university faggots [20:46] I'm not sure I haven't read much about that [20:46] but I'll bet you none of them are found guilty!!!!!!!!!!! [20:46] ps they released the admin of oink a few hours ago [20:46] because they didn't have nothing [20:46] lol [20:46] i hear they do that often [20:47] also that whole placeholder page they put up? [20:47] to criminals after they book them [20:47] whut [20:47] with corporate logos and everything? [20:47] yes [20:47] ? [20:47] flagrant violation of procedure [20:47] yeah, it presumes guilt [20:47] this is a wreck right from the start [20:47] uh, yeah, and it belies corporate involvement in the investigation [20:47] right [20:47] and is a violation of the oink guy's rights to his property [20:47] and counts as evidence tampering [20:47] and etc. [20:48] yes but does anybody in power give a shit? or [20:48] they probably KNOW this, and know it's not going to go anywhere [20:48] so they gave up on pursuing it legally [20:48] and decided to just scare people [20:48] illegally [20:48] lol [20:48] so uh [20:48] if they actually tried targeting users [20:48] users would just retort with evidence tampering etc? [20:48] . [20:48] First off there are 180k+ users okay [20:48] yeah dude i realize it is unlikely [20:49] i am just stressed and i apologize that i am bothering you [20:49] They don't have the resources to even begin [20:49] haha [20:49] resources as in money? [20:49] and manpower [20:49] and etc. [20:49] i was under the impression they were a pretty filthy rich group [20:49] oh [20:49] well [20:49] no the legal fees involved [20:49] and the hours spent combing through users in a vain attempt to find any tenable evidence [20:49] would be fuckin' [20:49] i suppose so [20:49] you don't even know. [20:50] and yeah they've completely destroyed any credible evidence they could have had in the first place [20:50] plus this would require cooperation between the us and the uk and the netherlands to nail anybody [20:50] so let's say they just contact my school and tell the school that x ip address was doing Gay Shit [20:50] would my school care [20:50] which guess how often that happens[20:51] it might [20:51] if they made a giant production of it [20:51] can they do that with any reasonable ease? [20:51] or would this also be completely not cost effective [20:51] if they were going to do that [20:51] they'd probably pick like [20:51] one specific school [20:51] and it would be [20:51] a Big one [20:51] like [20:51] Da Biggest [20:51] like UW [20:51] which is big [20:51] :( [20:51] eh [20:52] could be bigger. [20:52] plus [20:52] I don't know christ I am sure in a month I will have forgotten about this and be on usenet or some shit [20:52] plus? [20:52] george washington university [20:52] they went after those guys because they're next fucking door to RIAA offices. [20:52] convenience! [20:52] didn't know that [20:53] well, you should (if you care enough) use your riaa member status to ask someone in reasonable power if [20:53] ps [20:53] most schools [20:53] [20:48] they probably KNOW this, and know it's not going to go anywhere [20:53] [20:48] so they gave up on pursuing it legally [20:53] [20:48] and decided to just scare people [20:53] [20:48] illegally [20:53] is true [20:53] ? [20:53] put everyone behind one or two IP addresses [20:53] GWU doesn't and that also made it easy [20:53] how do I check if my school does? [20:53] if your dorm net is all NAT'd behind one IP then it is impossible for them to track down individuals [20:54] ummm [20:54] stand by [20:54] tell my roommate to go on whatismyip.com and have me do the same? [20:54] i'll see if i can find out from out here [20:54] would that be faster [20:54] try that yeah [20:55] (if they're different that doesn't mean EVERYONE has a unique IP, so that's not the last thing to check) [20:55] we have different IPs yeah [20:55] 128.208.118.4 vs 128.208.118.203 or something [20:55] okay let me see how consistently those are assigned [20:56] not very. [20:56] so [20:56] you might all have your own IPs [20:56] but [20:56] not permanently [20:56] oh [20:56] IPs are very dynamically assigned there so you usually only have one for a few days at a time [20:56] so [20:56] all right [20:56] they can't easily link an ip to a person [20:57] oh incidentally [20:57] [20:50] plus this would require cooperation between the us and the uk and the netherlands to nail anybody [20:57] at GWU they were all registered to each computer [20:57] IFPI is an international umbrella group that the riaa belongs to...? [20:57] how would this be difficult? [20:57] it doesn't matter; it's a question of legal jurisdiction [20:57] the IFPI is just another private organization [20:58] they have no power to make stuff magically be tried in whatever country they want by virtue of their somewhat international presence [20:58] practically speaking [20:58] if [20:58] they wanted to nail you specifically [20:59] ya [20:59] oh [20:59] the laws on the books right now are very sketchy and make Internet Crimez of this nature [20:59] wherein the evidence is in another country [20:59] okay [20:59] VERY hard to prosecute [20:59] oh uh last thing. [20:59] so let's say absolute worst case in every way [20:59] am i facing civil or criminal charges [21:00] like jesus appears and grants the riaa magical omega flare potential [21:00] what then [21:00] civil [21:00] you would be ELIGIBLE to be criminally prosecuted if everything went JUST right [21:00] so when they say "criminal investigation" [21:00] they mean "lol except not?" or what? [21:00] lol except not [21:00] gotcha [21:00] they would have to: [21:00] WELL ANWYAY [21:00] oh [21:00] yeah? [21:00] prove [21:01] that you made them lose upwards of $20,000 of profit [21:01] oh okay [21:01] right which definitely isnt' the case [21:01] and to get any prosecutor to give a shit [21:01] btw - oink erased all its records of who upped/downed what a few days ago? [21:01] serious? [21:01] they would have to make you out to be some kind of supreme evil being of piracy [21:01] ya [21:01] if you had visited the site you would have in fact seen this [21:01] oh okay [21:01] i think he maybe suspected the shit was about to hit the fan [21:02] well i visited the site [21:02] like [21:02] today [21:02] and uh yeah [21:02] but uh yeah basically [21:02] if everything else went fucking perfectly [21:02] and they managed to make their destroyed evidence admissible (Can not happen) [21:03] you would be protected still by virtue of your boringness [21:03] no criminal prosecutor cares about you because you're small-time [21:03] RIAA's lawyers do not care about you because you're way over there and also small-time [21:03] so ya.